Therrien on Subban

[habs03]

Thankful Subban handles it well, MT makes a big issue of Subban few mistakes but lets other off easy. Btw the play where Subban went in deep in the ozone, it really wasn't a mistake, dmen are taught to only go down low in the ozone if you have a forward cover you, and Eller did, if Eller doesn't go for the puck and just skates back it's a 2 on 2, exactly how players are taught.

While MT is hard in him on the 24ch that is going to air today, there is a small clip near the end, where MT seems to be congratulating Subban on something.

Only issue I have with MT and Subban is MT doesn't use him enough, Subban should be playing 28mins a game, he can handle it.

Everyone hate Martin here, but man did he know he had something in Subban and he used him, remember in the 11 playoffs vs the Bruins, Habs went 20-20 on the pk, Subban playing the most minutes shorthanded, Subban averaged 28 mins a game, the next guy was at 23, and Subban held David Krecji to 1 point in 7 games, and that whole Lucic, Horton Krecji to 6 points combined. Heck even in 11-12 we had the 2nd best pk in the league, with Subban playing the 2nd most SH TOI, probably would have been first if he didn't lead the team in pm that year.

 

[macavoy]

PK is an exceptional player, he is a superstar. Those type of players don't miss out on their potential. It's not like Crosby would not have rea.ched his level of play if Therrien or Bylsma were not his coaches. Likewise for Malkin. Likewise for PK.
PK would have become PK no matter what. Some people called it right from his rookie year.

********.

How did that work out for Alex Ovechkin?


He has lacked coaching and prodding and motivation for the past X years. He's finally turning up the heat with the right motivation of the Olympics. Hockey is a mental game, you will never understand that unless you've played it at a high level.

I didn't realize the importance of the mental aspect of the game until I was 18 and by then it was too late

 

[Kriss E]

He never actually blamed him... He just avoided the question entirely not to put blame on anyone...
Stop saying **** that isn't true.

And most of the time all this criticism of subban is just due to the media asking all kinds of questions about this play or that play and whether he made the right decisions whereas they ask questions along the lines of " can you tell me how amazing this player has been playing?" For every other player.

He said the goal was due to a defenseman pinching. You can figure out who he was talking about

 

[Kriss E]

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How did that work out for Alex Ovechkin?


He has lacked coaching and prodding and motivation for the past X years. He's finally turning up the heat with the right motivation of the Olympics. Hockey is a mental game, you will never understand that unless you've played it at a high level.

I didn't realize the importance of the mental aspect of the game until I was 18 and by then it was too late

Ovechkin had no problem lighting it up. It wasn't until Boudreau decide to switch the style and focus on defense, and then Hunter came in with his super defense mode, that his production suffered. Not to mention he came into camps in poor conditions.
Oates comes in, after the caps starts understanding the system better and Ovie is given more freedom again, boom, production way back up.

Nobody said mental aspect doesn't affect the game of a player. But it's not every player that reacts the same. PK was gonna win that Norris regardless of the coach.

 

[macavoy]

If these two idiots drive Subban out of Montreal. I'll never forgive them. He wins the Norris and they're still not comfortable with his progress . I gotta feeling negotiations on the new contract are going to get ugly, because these fools are too stupid to realize what they have.

Lets do an analysis.


The team is in shambles since 96 when Roy is traded.

Gainey is brought in, restores some credibility.

Gainey's daughter dies and Gainey loses his mind and things go into a tail spin.

Gauthier is given the reigns. Whatever.


Molson buys the team and brings in MB.

MB takes ownership of the team, during MB's tenure, the team is in the top of the leauge both years, PK wins his first Norris under his more offensive style, and now we are in year two, where PK and Price are both having career years, playing their best hockey for the 2nd season in a row and you are talking about firing him

lol u

 

[macavoy]

PK was gonna win that Norris regardless of the coach.

i disagree, look at the norris winners, they werent trap teams. if martin was coach last year, pk doesnt get the pp opportunities he did and even strength points from playing a more proactive system than sitting on a 1 goal lead

 

[CaptainBenn]

Lets do an analysis.


The team is in shambles since 96 when Roy is traded.

Gainey is brought in, restores some credibility.

Gainey's daughter dies and Gainey loses his mind and things go into a tail spin.

Gauthier is given the reigns. Whatever.


Molson buys the team and brings in MB.

MB takes ownership of the team, during MB's tenure, the team is in the top of the leauge both years, PK wins his first Norris under his more offensive style, and now we are in year two, where PK and Price are both having career years, playing their best hockey for the 2nd season in a row and you are talking about firing him

lol u

Last year was a shortened season
How is that 2 seasons in a row? Its barely 60 games
And you forgot the awful playoff performance, I mean destruction

lol u

 

[macavoy]

Ovechkin had no problem lighting it up. It wasn't until Boudreau decide to switch the style and focus on defense, and then Hunter came in with his super defense mode, that his production suffered. Not to mention he came into camps in poor conditions.
Oates comes in, after the caps starts understanding the system better and Ovie is given more freedom again, boom, production way back up.

Nobody said mental aspect doesn't affect the game of a player. But it's not every player that reacts the same. PK was gonna win that Norris regardless of the coach.

so mental aspect is important? i thought superstars were superstars no matter what

 

[macavoy]

Last year was a shortened season
How is that 2 seasons in a row? Its barely 60 games
And you forgot the awful playoff performance, I mean destruction

lol u

that is exactly my point

 

[jpchabby]

Last year was a shortened season
How is that 2 seasons in a row? Its barely 60 games
And you forgot the awful playoff performance, I mean destruction

lol u

Don't you think "barely 60 games" is also a small sample size to claim that the coach and/or the GM is/are doing a bad job?

I like what they did. Of course, it hurts my feelings (lol) to see Therrien go hard on Subban, but it seems to work. So he must be doing something well, no?

 

[BLONG7]

PK will get a new 8 yr deal soon, how long will MT's new deal be?

 

[CaptainBenn]

Don't you think "barely 60 games" is also a small sample size to claim that the coach and/or the GM is/are doing a bad job?

I like what they did. Of course, it hurts my feelings (lol) to see Therrien go hard on Subban, but it seems to work. So he must be doing something well, no?

No
I just hope that it wont end up badly with Subban getting pissed by the special treatment...

 

[jpchabby]

No
I just hope that it wont end up badly with Subban getting pissed by the special treatment...

Indeed... I sure hope so too...

 

[Kriss E]

i disagree, look at the norris winners, they werent trap teams. if martin was coach last year, pk doesnt get the pp opportunities he did and even strength points from playing a more proactive system than sitting on a 1 goal lead

Huh...didn't Chara win under Julien's defensive system? Ya, great point.

so mental aspect is important? i thought superstars were superstars no matter what

They are. What's your point? Mental strength is part of them, it's what forges their character. You know a superstar with a weak character you??

Every coach will influence a player. They will teach players new things, point out some mistakes, give out their opinions, and players will grow from that. Doesn't mean we have to thank Therrien for turning PK into a Norris winner.

 

[MasterDecoy]

PK will get a new 8 yr deal soon, how long will MT's new deal be?

That is so idiotically besides anybody's point. I'm shocked anybody bothered to post this

 

[Hoople]

Last year was a shortened season
How is that 2 seasons in a row? Its barely 60 games
And you forgot the awful playoff performance, I mean destruction

lol u

So Subban really didnt have a Norris season since it was shortened? The door swings both ways my friend.

Subban is not a victim. Repeat as often as necessary. I do not understand the desire by some to portray him as that.

No player is above coaching. None.

 

[ECWHSWI]

So Subban really didnt have a Norris season since it was shortened? The door swings both ways my friend.

Subban is not a victim. Repeat as often as necessary. I do not understand the desire by some to portray him as that.

No player is above coaching. None.

thought the same, the kid had a great season, why is he trying to diminish PK's accomplishments ?

 

[CaptainBenn]

thought the same, the kid had a great season, why is he trying to diminish PK's accomplishments ?

I dont judge Pk solely based on 60 games... Lol. Hes been a beast for a few seasons. Coach is new to the org, not Pk. I dont see how its not obvious.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

I know it has been discussed in previous thread, but I was just wondering how everyone felt about how reluctant Therrien seems to be about giving any kind of praise to Subban.

It seems that in press conferences, he does not hesitate to praise certain players, and often rightfully so (see Prust and Gallagher), but seems to take subtle jabs at Subban (see his comments after his penalty in Calgary or in the press conference after last night's game).

Now, today RDS published this article: http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/la-bonne-humeur-au-rendez-vous-1.674746

For those that don't read French, Therrien claims that pairing Subban with Markov has given good results, since Andrei has been giving inspired play and Subban provides good offensive output. He then goes on to claim that throughout his career, Markov has made everyone of his defensive partners look good. Although that is true, I feel like he could've also complimented Subban a little more, especially given his level of play as of late.

Now, of course, as a fan, there are many important things I am ignorant of, and it may be that Subban thrives under that kind of pressure and it could be a strategy to keep him improving given his seemingly limitless potential, but I was just wondering how others felt about it.

funny imo claude noel does the same with Kane at times, our teams best player. funny how subban is yours and this happens to him..ya'll would know i guess.

 

[ECWHSWI]

I dont judge Pk solely based on 60 games... Lol. Hes been a beast for a few seasons. Coach is new to the org, not Pk. I dont see how its not obvious.

you're the one who brought up the shortened season, the 60 games. THAT is obvious.

 

[ECWHSWI]

funny imo claude noel does the same with Kane at times, our teams best player. funny how subban is yours and this happens to him..ya'll would know i guess.

key word, better players = higher standards.

 

[CaptainBenn]

you're the one who brought up the shortened season, the 60 games. THAT is obvious.

When talking about judging a NEW COACH who was said to bring the best out of his players for 2 years in a row

Reading comprehension my dear?

 

[sharks9]

He ripped into him on 24CH tonight

 

[habsfanatics*]

Lets do an analysis.


The team is in shambles since 96 when Roy is traded.

Gainey is brought in, restores some credibility.

Gainey's daughter dies and Gainey loses his mind and things go into a tail spin.

Gauthier is given the reigns. Whatever.


Molson buys the team and brings in MB.

MB takes ownership of the team, during MB's tenure, the team is in the top of the leauge both years, PK wins his first Norris under his more offensive style, and now we are in year two, where PK and Price are both having career years, playing their best hockey for the 2nd season in a row and you are talking about firing him

lol u

You post is so clueless, top of the league for two years. He has managed this team for not even one full season. He's been incredibly bad so far, the entire foundation of this team was here long be4 these 2 jokers showed up to work.

 

[Andrei79]

********.

How did that work out for Alex Ovechkin?


He has lacked coaching and prodding and motivation for the past X years. He's finally turning up the heat with the right motivation of the Olympics. Hockey is a mental game, you will never understand that unless you've played it at a high level.

I didn't realize the importance of the mental aspect of the game until I was 18 and by then it was too late

Agreed, Ovechkin is a great example and a similar personnality and talent level to Subban.

He was given free reign to do anything he wanted and they built the team around him. The end result was he sulked and floated through years when they tried to instill a more responsible system. He would wait for the pass, float at the blueline and stay in the O zone instead of backchecking.

This isn't happening with Subban. They're not caring what his talent level is, they want him to make the right decisions, they have the same expectations they have for other players in that regards. It shouldn't matter if you're the best player on the team when it comes to covering your man, pinching in at the right time or taking penalties. Actually, with all that skill you should be a leader. They've done a very good job with Subban.