Denver Post: The Varlamov Investigation: Part II *Read the MOD WARNING in post #1*

[TheStranger]

I'm going to flip the coin on this big time, because you guys all probably think I am 100% sided with the girl.

I was speaking to my Russian friends last night that are well integrated with the Russian Community and came up with a couple interesting points -

1) The translator that is under fire is here for 3 weeks visiting and is a Russian Journalist. It's extremely possible that she didn't know the English words to translate what the girl was actually saying. This is a theory and my friends didn't watch the interview.

2) I forgot about this, but it's possible under VAWA rules that if this girl has her case tried successfully, she will receive a green card and he is subject to possible deportation. I already had mentioned the deporting part, but the VAWA part may possibly be argued in the case against her - that she is using this as a means of both money AND receiving immigration status.


Sidenote: My wife and I are going as Varly and model tonight for Halloween. Too soon? Too soon?

I said this 5 times a couple days ago and never got a single reply.

 

[bohlmeister]

I'm going to flip the coin on this big time, because you guys all probably think I am 100% sided with the girl.

I was speaking to my Russian friends last night that are well integrated with the Russian Community and came up with a couple interesting points -

1) The translator that is under fire is here for 3 weeks visiting and is a Russian Journalist. It's extremely possible that she didn't know the English words to translate what the girl was actually saying. This is a theory and my friends didn't watch the interview.

2) I forgot about this, but it's possible under VAWA rules that if this girl has her case tried successfully, she will receive a green card and he is subject to possible deportation. I already had mentioned the deporting part, but the VAWA part may possibly be argued in the case against her - that she is using this as a means of both money AND receiving immigration status.


Sidenote: My wife and I are going as Varly and model tonight for Halloween. Too soon? Too soon?

Actually too late. Halloween was Thursday.

 

[Avs]

So, if we don't hear anything tomorrow that means he is off the hook?

I would imagine they will release something regardless, whether it be charges, and extension, or there will be no charges filed.

 

[rdelecinc]

Been lurking for a couple of years, but I wanted you to know that they have to file actual charges within 72 hours if they keep him in custody.

Since Varlamov is not in custody, I'm not sure what, if any, time limit there is.

 

[Avs_19]

It was described as a "tough" meeting, one in which Avalanche coach Patrick Roy and executive vice president of hockey operations Joe Sakic looked Semyon Varlamov in the eyes and asked him hard questions about the events that had just landed his and the team's name in unsavory headlines worldwide.

Varlamov faces charges of second-degree kidnapping, a felony, and third-degree assault, a misdemeanor.

Any answer, any piece of body language not to the satisfaction of two of the most important decision-makers with the team, and there would be no way Varlamov would be allowed on the team's charter flight to Dallas on Thursday afternoon.

Varlamov swore to both men that the ugly allegations made against him by his Russian girlfriend were untrue.

Roy and Sakic have chosen to believe him. Now comes the hard part: waiting to see if their faith was rightly placed, or if both proud Avs executives were played for fools.

More here: http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_24443191/dater-avs-made-right-decision-let-varlamov-travel

Good stuff from Dater.

 

[Crisp Breakout]

Been lurking for a couple of years, but I wanted you to know that they have to file actual charges within 72 hours if they keep him in custody.

Since Varlamov is not in custody, I'm not sure what, if any, time limit there is.

I think it's 18 months from the date of the acts

 

[jaems]

More here: http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_24443191/dater-avs-made-right-decision-let-varlamov-travel

Good stuff from Dater.

They're caught between a rock and a hard place.

Varly doesn't have a criminal history that I know of. And so if he's proclaims innocence, Sakic/Roy would have little reason to doubt him.

But what people can do behind closed doors is obviously very different. There don't have to be warning signs. So if he lied, it does look bad for the two of them. But as leaders, they have to have trust in their players and what they know from the information they have.

I'd do the same if it were one of my good friends.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

I don't know if it's been discussed, but if the Avs had told Varly to stay at home, or not let him travel because of this, wouldn't the NHLPA have had a fit?

 

[zxcvnm]

I don't know if it's been discussed, but if the Avs had told Varly to stay at home, or not let him travel because of this, wouldn't the NHLPA have had a fit?

Not likely, particularly if it was for just these two games. Plenty of good reasons to keep him home regardless of whether or not they believe he's innocent. If they suspended him indefinitely, the NHLPA might have stepped in. But even then, the NHLPA would have to tread very carefully considering the seriousness of the allegations and how poorly they would look if they are true.

 

[tigervixxxen]

So, if we don't hear anything tomorrow that means he is off the hook?

I would imagine they will release something regardless, whether it be charges, and extension, or there will be no charges filed.

No, there will be news (an announcement) on it either way if charges are filed or not. I wouldn't expect to hear anything tomorrow, probably early week.

Interesting from Dater that the team got his side of the story and it was good enough for them. I don't think what the Avs did is wrong, they are not the judge and jury and it would be ridiculous to hold them accountable if Varly is convicted of anything. Unless charges are dropped quickly this isn't something that is going to be resolved in days, weeks, or even months. I don't see ultimately anything wrong with staying the course until proven otherwise.

 

[dahrougem2]

I know that there are some good liars out there, possibly some great ones too but I don't see how, if you're in a room with Joe Sakic and PATRICK ROY, you could find a way to lie to them in any way about a situation this serious. I mean, Patrick is intimidating enough on his own, but the fact that they possibly asked him about what happened and his answers were good enough for them to not only believe him, but to have faith in him to start him the next game, leads me to believe that Varly is innocent.

I know, I know. Nothing has been proven yet and all the facts need to come out, but I truly believe that if he can sit down with his two bosses and answer their questions, and they believe him, then I think he's innocent. It would take one heck of an outstanding liar to pull off making Roy and Sakic look like fools for believing false answers

 

[raistlin76]

I think what Joe and Pat have done was the only right direction. They started their reign as change over previous one and as new era where they are fair to players and fans. It's fair to belive your player. If Varly is proven guilty they can always say, we trusted him, he lied to us, he is finished as an AV. If they suspend him or keep him out of team before he is sentenced I'm sure in case he is sentenced not-guilty relationship between Varly and Sakic/Roy is damaged probably beyond repair. Now if he is not-guilty he is grateful to them that they trusted his words. It should also help with other players because they can clearly see their words are backed up with actions.

 

[Frenchy]

This thread is only about Varlamov and the investigation . Could we focus on Varlamov and don't get sidetracked talking about things from the past , about other individuals, that have nothing to do with the present subject .

Thank you

 

[Ceremony]

I know that there are some good liars out there, possibly some great ones too but I don't see how, if you're in a room with Joe Sakic and PATRICK ROY, you could find a way to lie to them in any way about a situation this serious. I mean, Patrick is intimidating enough on his own, but the fact that they possibly asked him about what happened and his answers were good enough for them to not only believe him, but to have faith in him to start him the next game, leads me to believe that Varly is innocent.

I know, I know. Nothing has been proven yet and all the facts need to come out, but I truly believe that if he can sit down with his two bosses and answer their questions, and they believe him, then I think he's innocent. It would take one heck of an outstanding liar to pull off making Roy and Sakic look like fools for believing false answers

Maybe it's because I'm a fan but the thought of me being in Varlamov's position for this conversation is about the most unbearable thing I could imagine. I'm almost in tears just thinking about it.

But, I suppose we need to trust Sakic and Roy's judgement. And that Dater piece was good - his closing line sounds like he's been reading the threads on it on here.

 

[JoemAvs]

I know that there are some good liars out there, possibly some great ones too but I don't see how, if you're in a room with Joe Sakic and PATRICK ROY, you could find a way to lie to them in any way about a situation this serious. I mean, Patrick is intimidating enough on his own, but the fact that they possibly asked him about what happened and his answers were good enough for them to not only believe him, but to have faith in him to start him the next game, leads me to believe that Varly is innocent.

I know, I know. Nothing has been proven yet and all the facts need to come out, but I truly believe that if he can sit down with his two bosses and answer their questions, and they believe him, then I think he's innocent. It would take one heck of an outstanding liar to pull off making Roy and Sakic look like fools for believing false answers

Roy or Sakic are not those demigods you make them out to be. They are coach and manager/president of the Avs. Nothing more.
Especially not for Varlamov (not an Avs fan).
It probably is as hard / easy for him as it would be for you lying to your boss. Probably easier because his wealth is probably secured for generations.

It does not mean anything regarding to his guilt / innocence.

That said. If it turns out that he has lied, odds are that his career with the Avs is over the moment he is found guilty.

 

[raistlin76]

Roy or Sakic are not those demigods you make them out to be. They are coach and manager/president of the Avs. Nothing more.
Especially not for Varlamov (not an Avs fan).
It probably is as hard / easy for him as it would be for you lying to your boss. Probably easier because his wealth is probably secured for generations.

It does not mean anything regarding to his guilt / innocence.

That said. If it turns out that he has lied, odds are that his career with the Avs is over the moment he is found guilty.

Roy was his idol just to remind you. When traded for him AVS organize call with Roy and Varly. He was very happy about It.

 

[Pual Statsny]

Roy or Sakic are not those demigods you make them out to be. They are coach and manager/president of the Avs. Nothing more.
Especially not for Varlamov (not an Avs fan).
It probably is as hard / easy for him as it would be for you lying to your boss. Probably easier because his wealth is probably secured for generations.

It does not mean anything regarding to his guilt / innocence.

That said. If it turns out that he has lied, odds are that his career with the Avs is over the moment he is found guilty.

It's not the same, though. It's like lying to your boss if your boss was Richard Branson or a Nobel Prize Winning chemist. These guys are the best of the best.

Plus, Joe strikes me as a pretty perceptive guy who doesn't have a load of tolerance for the alleged behavior. I believe that he would have made the right human decision if he had felt at all that Varlamov was at fault. This is pure speculation, though, and a lot of what I want to believe.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I didn't take is so much as about lying or telling the truth but that Varly must have a decent/plausible side of the story. I don't think Roy and Sakic can ultimately determine guilt/innocence or truth/lie but that they were satisfied enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[CalderKing21]

I think that Roy and Sakic just wanted to look him in the eye and express their disappointment in him while also allowing him to explain himself.
I don't think it was about guilt or innocence per se, just a meeting of the minds and to clear the air.

 

[Foppa2118]

It's not the same, though. It's like lying to your boss if your boss was Richard Branson or a Nobel Prize Winning chemist. These guys are the best of the best.

Plus, Joe strikes me as a pretty perceptive guy who doesn't have a load of tolerance for the alleged behavior. I believe that he would have made the right human decision if he had felt at all that Varlamov was at fault. This is pure speculation, though, and a lot of what I want to believe.

Same with Duchene, and there's been a couple quotes sneak out from him about how behind Varly they are. I doubt he'd be sticking up for Varly too much, unless he didn't believe the allegations, or had a reason not to believe them.

 

[AVSfan2daMAX]

You can also bet the avalanche are doing their own investigation behind this situation. If they had any reason to believe the severity of some of these allegations, they would be distancing themselves and protecting themselves. It certainly doesn't mean that Varlamov will be found innocent, should formal charges be laid, but I think it's INCREDIBLY naive of some people to believe the Avalanche are simply sticking with Varlamov because they have their priorities displaced.

 

[SB]

You can also bet the avalanche are doing their own investigation behind this situation. If they had any reason to believe the severity of some of these allegations, they would be distancing themselves and protecting themselves. It certainly doesn't mean that Varlamov will be found innocent, should formal charges be laid, but I think it's INCREDIBLY naive of some people to believe the Avalanche are simply sticking with Varlamov because they have their priorities displaced.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

 

[Avs For Life]

You can also bet the avalanche are doing their own investigation behind this situation. If they had any reason to believe the severity of some of these allegations, they would be distancing themselves and protecting themselves. It certainly doesn't mean that Varlamov will be found innocent, should formal charges be laid, but I think it's INCREDIBLY naive of some people to believe the Avalanche are simply sticking with Varlamov because they have their priorities displaced.

Well said.

 

[Avs_19]

From Parker this morning....

Ryan Parker @ryanparkerdp
The Denver DA will make a decision within a week or two RT @renbeaumont: Approximately when will Varly get charged, if he does? #Varlamov

 

[Foppa Frossa]

From Parker this morning....

Ryan Parker @ryanparkerdp
The Denver DA will make a decision within a week or two RT @renbeaumont: Approximately when will Varly get charged, if he does? #Varlamov

Is this common, or does it sounds like they are trying to get a settlement out of court?