Denver Post: The Varlamov Investigation: Part II *Read the MOD WARNING in post #1*
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Avs_19
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Varly and the girlfriend? I could be wrong but I don't think they can do that. I think only the DA can decide whether charges will be filed or not. Even if she now says she's not pressing charges, it's up to the DA to decide.
If you're talking about Varly settling with the prosecutor to avoid a trial, according to the lawyer who was on The Fan, he is subject to deportation even if he enters a plea bargain.
Someone said they had 72 hours to file charges without an extension but maybe they got it wrong and this is common? I really have no idea.
dahrougem2
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Nobody is making them out to be "demigods" so I'm not sure where you get that from but ok.
You think it's easy to lie to your boss? You think if the two people who are in charge of you sat you down in a room to ask you questions about a serious matter, you'd be able to lie to them right then and there and, better yet, make sure they actually believe it? Didn't think so Joem
& like one poster already said, Varly grew up a Patrick Roy fan, so I'd assume that makes it even more difficult knowing that his idol from his younger days is his boss now
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If Varly did what he is accused of, lying to Roy and Sakic is really not a big deal. In fact he has to do it if he wants to get away with it. He has not admitted anything so far. So either he is innocent or he wants to get away with it without punishment.
In both cases the answers to Roy and Sakic would be the same.
It might not be easy but if Varly is the womanbeating alcoholic his girlfriend makes him out to be, he certainly had everyone fooled before.
So convincing Roy and Sakic is really no big deal at all.
I don't know if I could do it but Varly certainly could do it easily if he is that horrible person this girl makes him out to be. And if he gets caught, lying to Roy and Sakic would not have mattered anyways. End result would probably be the same. Lie or no lie.
So the argument that he is innocent because he told Roy and Sakic so, does not hold much water.
Oh and I got the feeling that your admiration for Roy and Sakic is a little bit over the top at least if I compare it to the level of respect and admiration I have for those two. But maybe I am wrong...
Well, yeah, but it isn't just him saying, No, I didn't do it. I'm sure Roy and Sakic were grilling him, trying to find weaknesses in his story or contradictions. Coupled with the investigations that are surely going on by the Avs' lawyers etc. They can find smoke, even if Varly denies there is a fire.
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I don't know if Roy/Sakic can just look at him and tell if he's lying or not. Actually, I doubt it. But they probably did more than just talk to him. Avs security and/or lawyers must have done some digging before backing Varly and letting him play.
I also really doubt the conversation went like this:
Roy/Sakic: Did you do it?
Varly: No.
Roy/Sakic: Good enough for us.
I also really doubt the conversation went like this:
Roy/Sakic: Did you do it?
Varly: No.
Roy/Sakic: Good enough for us.
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SuperUnknown
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In her interview, the girlfriend says he was drinking with a buddy on Monday. Surely that person's testimony has to be key to the investigation. At some point we ought to know who that person was and what they have to say.
dahrougem2
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Yes, it does hold a lot of water actually because what you seem to be missing here is that these two men are his bosses. This isn't some random person asking Varly tough questions about the severity of this incident and potentially asking him questions that could prove his innocence in their eyes. These are his bosses. The men who employ him. You have to be one heck of a liar to make them believe you in this instance. Who knows, maybe he is that good of a liar but I doubt it. Lying is not an easy thing to do, especially when the situation is more severe.
& you got the impression that my admiration was over the top? So automatically you assume that I consider them to be some sort of demigod huh. Safe to say you're wrong in that regard. Better just stick to analyzing trades with regard to your asset management than assuming other peoples' opinion
I see people lie to their boss all the time.
I'm having a hard time though with the point of this convo - if I am the Avs I am staying on the sidelines of this. Roy and Sakic aren't going to be able to sway some judge or something like that.
I'm having a hard time though with the point of this convo - if I am the Avs I am staying on the sidelines of this. Roy and Sakic aren't going to be able to sway some judge or something like that.
So a thing I'm sure someone brought up...
I'm very sure Sakic/Roy were not casually chatting with him. I'm also sure Avs lawyers and PR both have spent more hours this last week researching this then most of us work in two weeks. If they were letting him play and such it COULD be a PR nightmare if he really is guilty and they were aware of it.
Odds are that they likely have already completed a very comprehensive and in depth internal investigation, and must be rather certain he's not guilty of at least the felony. Or that it'd be reduced to a less serious charge.
The Avs are a public organization with a fan base who, much like this small sample size on HF Boards, has varying views on this matter.
Another thing is, the Russians already offered him "help". Whether that was providing counselors, or getting him the hell out of here, he denied any help.
This is all pretty big stuff that to me, indicates he has a reasonable level of confidence either the charges won't stick, particularly the felony, or they will be reduced to misdemeanors.
The argument that "its like as easy as lying to your boss" is something that isn't really comparable.. Lie to your manager at Kinkos about sweeping the floors and you likely get away with it. They also likely didn't do their own investigation with lawyers and a PR team. Kinkos reputation also isn't going to suffer if you did indeed commit the act of not sweeping the floor. Business will go on and their customers will likely give not a single ****.
This isn't comparable Joem..
Also, slapping around his woman doesn't make him completely inhuman and capable of lying straight faced to his idol and boss or anyone else for that matter. That's a psychological thing. He could of been raised in an environment where woman beating is completely acceptable and lying earned you a throttling at the hands of the old man. They aren't connected. I don't think any of us are psychologists in here (there's probably like 40 psyches in here just because I said that), so I mean, lets not paint the guy with too broad of a brush.
I'm not saying he's innocent either.
I'm very sure Sakic/Roy were not casually chatting with him. I'm also sure Avs lawyers and PR both have spent more hours this last week researching this then most of us work in two weeks. If they were letting him play and such it COULD be a PR nightmare if he really is guilty and they were aware of it.
Odds are that they likely have already completed a very comprehensive and in depth internal investigation, and must be rather certain he's not guilty of at least the felony. Or that it'd be reduced to a less serious charge.
The Avs are a public organization with a fan base who, much like this small sample size on HF Boards, has varying views on this matter.
Another thing is, the Russians already offered him "help". Whether that was providing counselors, or getting him the hell out of here, he denied any help.
This is all pretty big stuff that to me, indicates he has a reasonable level of confidence either the charges won't stick, particularly the felony, or they will be reduced to misdemeanors.
The argument that "its like as easy as lying to your boss" is something that isn't really comparable.. Lie to your manager at Kinkos about sweeping the floors and you likely get away with it. They also likely didn't do their own investigation with lawyers and a PR team. Kinkos reputation also isn't going to suffer if you did indeed commit the act of not sweeping the floor. Business will go on and their customers will likely give not a single ****.
This isn't comparable Joem..
Also, slapping around his woman doesn't make him completely inhuman and capable of lying straight faced to his idol and boss or anyone else for that matter. That's a psychological thing. He could of been raised in an environment where woman beating is completely acceptable and lying earned you a throttling at the hands of the old man. They aren't connected. I don't think any of us are psychologists in here (there's probably like 40 psyches in here just because I said that), so I mean, lets not paint the guy with too broad of a brush.
I'm not saying he's innocent either.
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Well. As Bonzai said. Lying to your boss is not really that much of a big deal as you make it out to be. In this case it really does not matter to him anyways. He has nothing to gain from telling the truth if he is guilty so why wouldn't he lie?
Innocent or not. The story would probably be the same. And given the weird description of his by his girlfriend, it is safe to say that he easily could pull it off.
And yeah. Thanks for the reminder. Another reason why I don't think you can judge our coach / management at all. I remember you really getting into trying to justify this crappy trade.
Don't worry. Saint Patrick can do no wrong and he will save us all!
That's not the point ... no, Roy and Sakic don't have anything to do with the legal process, they just want to know whether to sit him or not.
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tigervixxxen
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Yes, until there is a conviction which if they go to trial could take a year to get to I don't see any reason that they are going to deviate from their existing goalie plan except for maybe a few days where he has legal matters to attend to.
As I said before, it's not about making a lie/truth or innocent/guilt determination but that they've heard his version of events. The truth probably is somewhere in the middle and they know this but considering we have no idea what his side of the story is I find it interesting that they seem supportive based on his side. I doubt that his side of the story is "she's crazy and made it all up, I didn't do it" but actually a narrative of what happened.
As I said before, it's not about making a lie/truth or innocent/guilt determination but that they've heard his version of events. The truth probably is somewhere in the middle and they know this but considering we have no idea what his side of the story is I find it interesting that they seem supportive based on his side. I doubt that his side of the story is "she's crazy and made it all up, I didn't do it" but actually a narrative of what happened.
Everything will key around if the DA presents charges. If charges are filed, maybe at that point the Avs would put him on some type of leave to prepare to defend himself. But until that point (probably mid-November) there's really no formal charges against him, so why not allow him to play?
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You're still mad about the Talbot/Downie trade? Didn't you hear Downie is out indefinitely and that we won both of the games we played since he was off the team? Not to mention O'Reilly and Duchene have continued to produce. Get over it lol even in the worst case scenario the trade was marginal and will have little effect on us. Best case scenario we just keep winning, which we have so far.
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I don't agree with this. If/when he's charged, it's time for him to go away until this is settled. Maybe the NHL can make it easier for the Avs by suspending him indefinitely.
tigervixxxen
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What does charged mean? That doesn't imply guilt. There can still be a plea bargain or a long time before a trial. Do you guys not understand how long the legal process takes? I'm not over exaggerating when I say it could easily be an entire year before a trial. I doubt the rent-a-lawyer wants to go against the $$$$$ lawyers and the Russian government in a trial. That's just me. It's not getting resolved soon but it's best to wait and let the whole process unfold. Until then it doesn't make sense to make any rash decisions.
Avs_19
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Doesn't imply guilt but they're only going to charge him if they think they have enough to convict. If he enters a plea bargain, doesn't that mean he's pleading guilty to something?
tigervixxxen
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If they have enough to arrest him they probably have enough to charge him. I wouldn't hold out hope that the DA is not going to charge him with anything. That doesn't mean the charges are correct or that he can't plea down to something very minor.
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