The Transformers thread (shows, comics, toys, all things TF)

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Bruticus was a favourite of mine as well!

Check out at 6min 23sec of this clip from Transformers : Fall of Cybertron.



And, of course, the classic Bruticus devastates Devistator from G1.

The Fall of Cybetron trailer still looks better to me than any Michael Bay related TF thing. The moment where Bruticus forms and Grimlock is sent after him is all sorts of awesome.

 

[Guardian17]

Gimme a sec.

"Hey, me. Can we change the thread title?"

"Sure, I don't see why not. Seems reasonable. What do you want it changed to?"

"How about 'The Transformers thread'?"

"Yeah, that's doable. I'll have it changed in a minute."

"Awesome. Thanks, me."

"No problem. Happy to help."





Can't begin to imagine how much those would cost.

BTW, your name/avy/location makes me want ot ask: Have you ever seen the big Blaster/Soundwave fight from The Headmasters? Man, that was disappointing. If it was ever possible for there to be a double-kill where both sides go down like punks, that's probably it.

Thanks for changing the thread name!

Your conversation with yourself reminded me of Punch/Counter-Punch!

 

[Guardian17]

Ohh Constructicons. You and your like 5 different contradictory origins. Choke on it, continuity!

Reminds me that it's just about time for my annual pre-christmas TF binge-a-thon. Nothing gets you in the christmas spirit like saturday morning cartoons from when you were a little kid. Even if they were actually weekday-airing cartoons (remember that? That crazy, magical time when new cartoons were on daily throughout the year? Season 2 was almost 50 episodes. For some cartoons today don't air that many episodes until almost 3 seasons have passed.)

EDIT:

oh my god, they even aired an episode on Christmas Day. ON. CHRISTMAS. DAY! New episode! Will the wonders never cease?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/December_25

I remember missing that particular episode because it was pre-empted in Winnipeg on that day.

I didn't get to see War Dawn until the Spring when it finally aired.

 

[The Nemesis]

That fight was incredibly weird. They kinda stand still and shoot each other, throw a few punches, and then Soundwave spontaneously self-detonates for no clear reason. I don't think it helped that I could only watch in a terrible fan translation the first time I watched it.

Was it like this (starting at about 28 seconds. The first 27-28 seconds are the end of the scene playing out in the original Japanese)



Because that's not a fan translation. That was an English dub produced for the show to be distributed in Malaysia and Singapore and Hong Kong. Someone actually paid money to make that...

 

[The Nemesis]

While we're also talking War for/Fall of Cybertron, the 1st teaser trailer for Fall of Cyberton was so freaking amazing.



That Grimlock reveal....

 

[kingsholygrail]

I actually really liked Transformers Prime.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Swindle is one of my handful of surviving (but thoroughly played with) G1 toys. I never go at a complete set of any combiners, but I have 1 piece each of Bruticus, Defensor, and Abominus. I can assemble them into an armless monstrosity too because I have the Defensor torso (Hotspot) and combiner pieces (hands, feet, stick-on kibble stuff) and two other limb bots (Swindle and Blot).

It actually shows well how all the post-Devastator combiners were originally part of a set of Japanese robot toys that were meant to be interchangeable, which is why all the limb bots have tiny square-peg heads and they all have a bigger "leader" bot that has square slots in his shoulders/arms and feet.

My mom once told me that the son (he was a few years older than me, so I didn't really know him that well) of one of the guys my dad worked with at the time had a whole ton of Transformers including all the rest of the Defensor combiners. When he was getting older to the point of not wanting the toys anymore, my mom was going to ask his mom if she could take the Transformers since I was still little and a big fan. But it was too late and his mom had already thrown them all away.

you know what? I think I might've told that story before. Even in this exact thread

EDIT: BTW, maybe we should adjust the thread title? It's kind of become an all-purpose Transformers discussion. Though on the other hand, the anniversary angle might get more people interested if they know there's G1 discussion and it's not all about the bayformers movies.

I have all the re-issue combiners from the early 2000's.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Was it like this (starting at about 28 seconds. The first 27-28 seconds are the end of the scene playing out in the original Japanese)



Because that's not a fan translation. That was an English dub produced for the show to be distributed in Malaysia and Singapore and Hong Kong. Someone actually paid money to make that...

Hahaha, I wish! No, it was definitely a fan translation, it had weird glowy text.

I just randomly realized why I haven't watched any new Transformers shows. My favourite characters were the Dinobots and the combiners, both tend to be missing (or at least very limited) in the new shows. Also, Soundwave is just not nearly as cool as he is in G1, which is a huge downer.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

While we're also talking War for/Fall of Cybertron, the 1st teaser trailer for Fall of Cyberton was so freaking amazing.



That Grimlock reveal....

I would pay a large sum of money to watch a good Transformers movie. There is so much awe inspiring material in that trailer, wish Hollywood could do something like that. I liked their E3 trailer too.

 

[The Nemesis]

Hahaha, I wish! No, it was definitely a fan translation, it had weird glowy text.

I just randomly realized why I haven't watched any new Transformers shows. My favourite characters were the Dinobots and the combiners, both tend to be missing (or at least very limited) in the new shows. Also, Soundwave is just not nearly as cool as he is in G1, which is a huge downer.

TF Prime Soundwave is cool. He rarely speaks, and he isn't always at the forefront, but the moments he does get are all pretty sweet.

Also decided to start my Transformers holiday marathon tomorrow. Gonna try and cram in 6 episodes a day from anything in my collection (G1, Beast Wars, Prime, or (yeah right) the Japanese series)

Normally I would just watch G1 from teh beginning to however far I make it before Christmas morning, but instead I'm picking out episodes based on themes or popularity or interest. Like Saturday I'm going to watch all 7 significant Dinobots episodes. Or Friday is all the best Starscream episodes. Christmas Eve I'll finish with the movie,but I have 2 spots left on that night to fill. Any suggestions?

I might post my current planned schedule tomorrow.

Yeah, I know that this is incredibly nerdy. A holiday TF marathon has just been something I've done for like 7 or 8 years now to help get into the "kid at christmas" spirit, and after doing it the same way for so long, I wanted to change things up.

 

[Guardian17]

Ohh Constructicons. You and your like 5 different contradictory origins. Choke on it, continuity!

Reminds me that it's just about time for my annual pre-christmas TF binge-a-thon. Nothing gets you in the christmas spirit like saturday morning cartoons from when you were a little kid. Even if they were actually weekday-airing cartoons (remember that? That crazy, magical time when new cartoons were on daily throughout the year? Season 2 was almost 50 episodes. For some cartoons today don't air that many episodes until almost 3 seasons have passed.)

EDIT:

oh my god, they even aired an episode on Christmas Day. ON. CHRISTMAS. DAY! New episode! Will the wonders never cease?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/December_25

I decided to have a small Transformers Marathon of my own today.

You are right with the Constructacons' confusing origins.

When they first appear, Megatron says "We built them."

But, in another episode, it says that Omega Supreme and the Constructacons were friends until Megatron used a machine to reprogram them to be evil.

The in the Five Faces of Darkness episode where Hot Rod journeys into the Matrix it shows the Constructicons building Megatron!

I'm so confused!

 

[Baby Punisher]

I decided to have a small Transformers Marathon of my own today.

You are right with the Constructacons' confusing origins.

When they first appear, Megatron says "We built them."

But, in another episode, it says that Omega Supreme and the Constructacons were friends until Megatron used a machine to reprogram them to be evil.

The in the Five Faces of Darkness episode where Hot Rod journeys into the Matrix it shows the Constructicons building Megatron!

I'm so confused!

Yea I always wondered about that. Than we have the episode when the cons build the sunticons and bots build the Aerialbots and they have to trek to Cyberton to get them turned into sentient beings and not mind less drones.

 

[The Nemesis]

Yea I always wondered about that. Than we have the episode when the cons build the sunticons and bots build the Aerialbots and they have to trek to Cuberton to get them turned into sentient beings and not mind less drones.

yeah. That episode makes it pretty clear that Vector Sigma is the only way you can give a Transformer a consciousness/soul/life/personality/whatever. It was never explicitly said, but I always presumed that was why the Dinobots were simpletons, because Wheeljack and Ratchet could build a primitive, childlike AI, but couldn't fully replicate the complexity of a "naturally-born" Transformer. But then there's a whole bunch of ethical/moral questions about the nature of life and how you can class the Dinobots compared to regular Transformers that I'm pretty sure the writers never pondered when they were making a cartoon for 80s kids about giant talking robots that shoot lasers at each other

I never did get my marathon plans off the ground the past week. Kept getting distracted with other stuff, then I realized how much of a pain in the ass it is to shuffle through all the different DVDs and switch each time I need to find a new episode (especially since I don't always know what episodes are on what disc now that I no longer keep the discs in their original cardboard flipcase packaging. I need to make covers for the new cases that list the episodes.) but I'm gonna watch something tonight. Maybe not TF the movie since my aim is christmas joy and the predominant thing I remember from watching the movie is remembering 3-year-old me bawling his eyes out that Optimus was dead

 

[Guardian17]

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers...ormers-the-movie-promo-video-footage-181743/?


This 20 minute video is a digitization of a VHS promo for the 1986 Transformers the Movie. The video features a recap of the story so far in Japan, with openings for each Japanese show and toy commercials for each. It also includes the American trailer for the animated movie, and the promo reel made with test footage, which features an alternate cut of Autobot City transforming into battle mode, as well as Ultra Magnus in his Diaclone "Powered Convoy" colors.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

yeah. That episode makes it pretty clear that Vector Sigma is the only way you can give a Transformer a consciousness/soul/life/personality/whatever. It was never explicitly said, but I always presumed that was why the Dinobots were simpletons, because Wheeljack and Ratchet could build a primitive, childlike AI, but couldn't fully replicate the complexity of a "naturally-born" Transformer. But then there's a whole bunch of ethical/moral questions about the nature of life and how you can class the Dinobots compared to regular Transformers that I'm pretty sure the writers never pondered when they were making a cartoon for 80s kids about giant talking robots that shoot lasers at each other

I never did get my marathon plans off the ground the past week. Kept getting distracted with other stuff, then I realized how much of a pain in the ass it is to shuffle through all the different DVDs and switch each time I need to find a new episode (especially since I don't always know what episodes are on what disc now that I no longer keep the discs in their original cardboard flipcase packaging. I need to make covers for the new cases that list the episodes.) but I'm gonna watch something tonight. Maybe not TF the movie since my aim is christmas joy and the predominant thing I remember from watching the movie is remembering 3-year-old me bawling his eyes out that Optimus was dead

I actually did a TF marathon for the Dinobots episodes, Netflix makes it so much easier. Most of my TF stuff is still on VHS.

 

[The Nemesis]

I actually did a TF marathon for the Dinobots episodes, Netflix makes it so much easier. Most of my TF stuff is still on VHS.

I have the first Dinobot episode on VHS...somewhere. I'm pretty sure it still works but my VCR croaked a couple of years ago and it's not like I can/need to replace it.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I have the first Dinobot episode on VHS...somewhere. I'm pretty sure it still works but my VCR croaked a couple of years ago and it's not like I can/need to replace it.

I'm pretty fortunate as I've got a few VCR's lying around, but that Dinobots tape got so much play that the quality just progressively gets worse and worse.

 

[Guardian17]

The new Robots In Disguise cartoon will premiere in North America in February 2015.

Here are some links to some screen caps.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers...n-caps-reveal-optimus-prime-and-drift-181767/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers...d-2015-new-screen-caps-spoilers-ahead-181772/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers...uise-screencaps-enter-the-decepticons-181774/

 

[The Nemesis]

Interesting that it's supposed to be a continuation of TF Prime (set years after Prime's ending), but at the same time isn't supposed to be as dark/mature as Prime got (which you can kind of tell by the bright, colorful cel-shaded graphic style and the character models that are like 1/3rd Prime's models, 1/3rd inspired by TF: Animated, and 1/3rd anime-esque or super-deformed.)

Also surprise surprise, Optimus is alive. Again. Like we've never seen that happen before. What does he think this is? Dragonball Z?

The listed cast of characters so far is also.... interesting.

Returning from Prime are Bumblebee and Optimus. Both keep their Prime VAs (Cullen for Op, Will Friedle for Bumblebee)

New "classic" characters are Grimlock (!), Jazz, and Sideswipe. None voiced by old VAs though.

newbie, less familiar names are Fixit (presumably the medic, the name recycled from an old micromaster character from the early 90s) and a new fembot named Strongarm (I can't recall that name ever being used before)

The Decepticon force though suffers from Prime having basically shot their whole load on prominent 'cons. I don't recognize any of the named characters they list. (Underbite, Steeljaw, Thunderhoof, Bisk, and Hammerstrike) Well, Steeljaw was one of Blaster's Cassettes once up on a time, but I imagine this is the name beint repurposed. The theme for the Decepticons is apparently that their robot modes are somewhat more animalistic (though they have regular vehicular alt modes)

Very weird. I'll probably check it out though because the last time we had a lighter western-made TF it was TF Animated in the early 00s and there was a lot of G1 fanservicey fun in there if you accepted that it wasn't as serious/dramatic as Beast Wars was or Prime would be.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Robots_in_Disguise_(2015_cartoon)

 

[kingsholygrail]

I'll give it a chance for sure. Prime surprised me so I'm willing to be surprised again(even if it's not as dramatic).

 

[LiquidSnake]

Really enjoyed Beast Machines.....

 

[The Nemesis]

Really enjoyed Beast Machines.....

get out...





I can't recall seeing anyone that loved Beast Machines. Lots of people love Beast Wars, but Machines took everything that series did and drove it straight off a cliff.

 

[kingsholygrail]

get out...





I can't recall seeing anyone that loved Beast Machines. Lots of people love Beast Wars, but Machines took everything that series did and drove it straight off a cliff.

Hated Beast Machines. I wanted real closure to Beast Wars.

In fact, I go on record to say that it seems like every time they go back to Cybertron, it sucks.

 

[The Nemesis]

Hated Beast Machines. I wanted real closure to Beast Wars.

In fact, I go on record to say that it seems like every time they go back to Cybertron, it sucks.

The funny thing is that Beast Wars was closure to Beast Wars. Megs and the Predacons were defeated, the timeline was saved, and Optimus and his crew (the ones that survived) were setting off for home. At that point there was no indication anything on Cybertron was wrong, so it was easy enough to presume that the crew would've made it home safe, been hailed as heros, and Megs would've been tossed in prison or whatever they did to dangerous criminals.

And then Beast Machines ****ed it up by using some sort of time travel slip or whatever they did to give Megatron enough time to somehow conquer the planet single-handedly and manufacture the vehicons and everything.

And then they wrecked the characters too. Optimus became some sort of quasi-religious eco-zealot, Rattrap became insecure and whiny (instead of just snarkily pessimistic), Blackarachnia was defined entirely bye "waaaah, my boyfriend's dead/gone/missing". When we finally get around to seeing Silverbolt and Rhinox they're...... different (we'll leave it at that). The only character that made out well was Cheetor because he got to grow up more.

 

[Acadmus]

yeah. That episode makes it pretty clear that Vector Sigma is the only way you can give a Transformer a consciousness/soul/life/personality/whatever. It was never explicitly said, but I always presumed that was why the Dinobots were simpletons, because Wheeljack and Ratchet could build a primitive, childlike AI, but couldn't fully replicate the complexity of a "naturally-born" Transformer. But then there's a whole bunch of ethical/moral questions about the nature of life and how you can class the Dinobots compared to regular Transformers that I'm pretty sure the writers never pondered when they were making a cartoon for 80s kids about giant talking robots that shoot lasers at each other

They changed that story so many times...in the comics, starting with issue #5, it was something called "The Creation Matrix" which was held by Optimus Prime, and the reason Shockwave kept Optimus' head alive separate from his body. I think the cartoon had a couple different story arcs related to different things that gave "life" to Transformers, and the Michael Bay movies of course had the stupid magic box in the first movie and the fairy dust in the second.