Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

[Suntouchable13]

Tonight go Angels, Mets, and Rangers (ewww). Chi Sox already lost.

 

[phillipmike]

Here's the latest Pipeline Prospect Team of the Week

With the 2022 MLB Draft now well in the rearview mirror, prospects selected this year are already making their presence known throughout the Minor Leagues.

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2B: Cade Doughty, Dunedin Blue Jays (Single-A)
Blue Jays No. 11
.304/.360/.913, 5 G, 7-for-23, 4 HR, 2 2B, 8 RBI, 8 R, 2 BB, 6 K
Like Goodman, Doughty has been on a power binge over the last week-plus. Unlike Goodman, Doughty’s have come in his first couple of weeks as a professional ballplayer. The 78th overall pick in last month’s Draft, the infielder has spent just 10 games with Dunedin so far but has made an impression quickly with a .341/.426/.805 line, five homers and 14 RBIs in the Florida State League. The LSU product has hits in all 10 games he’s played, and he finished the week on a high note, homering on Saturday and adding a pair of dingers on Sunday, including a walk-off solo shot in the bottom of the ninth. Doughty has scored at least one run in nine straight, already has four multihit and four multi-RBI games as a pro, and may see action at a higher level before the end of his debut campaign if his hot start continues.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Come on, Mets! FFS.

 

[The Nemesis]

Man, those Dodgers uniforms... Woof.

colored shirts/pants do not work. white or grey pants only. Otherwise it looks like pajamas.

 

[phillipmike]

I must have missed it but Ken Giles to the Giants.

Knew he wasn’t coming to the Jays with the full pen with Merryweather pitching well and Mayza almost ready. Jays got a roster crunch in the pen.

 

[tmlfan98]

I must have missed it but Ken Giles to the Giants.

Knew he wasn’t coming to the Jays with the full pen with Merryweather pitching well and Mayza almost ready. Jays got a roster crunch in the pen.

I'm guessing they'll option Pop and put Richards on the 15-day IL with a "neck strain" to make room for Mayza and Merryweather.

 

[canucksfan]

Not a good deadline for the Yankees so far

 

[canucksfan]

Here are MLB Farm System Rankings.

Jays are ranked 20th.

Updated farm system rankings for 2022

Adley Rutschman was one of the main reasons why the Orioles topped MLB Pipeline's farm system rankings at midseason in 2021 and again entering this season. Baseball's best catching prospect in years, he has made a case for being the game's best catcher since arriving in Baltimore in late May

www.mlb.com

 

[Eyedea]

Here are MLB Farm System Rankings.

Jays are ranked 20th.

Updated farm system rankings for 2022

Adley Rutschman was one of the main reasons why the Orioles topped MLB Pipeline's farm system rankings at midseason in 2021 and again entering this season. Baseball's best catching prospect in years, he has made a case for being the game's best catcher since arriving in Baltimore in late May

www.mlb.com

Brock Porter was the last 2022 draft guy for them to sneak into their top 100 (94th), and they had him ranked 11th on their board. Barriera was 15th, so I'd imagine he's not far behind their top 100.

They have Kyle Harrison (22) as the only LHP higher than Tiedemann (34). Tiedemann is a full year younger and at the same level as Harrison. Granted, he's thrown 10 fewer starts at AA and is on a limit now but I feel like Ricky should be in that Eury Perez/Daniel Espino tier of SPs.

Also don't agree with them being so down on Leo Jimenez, Otto Lopez, and Estiven Machado.

 

[canucksfan]

Stumbled across this on Twitter, some of you might find it interesting.

 

[canucksfan]

Brock Porter was the last 2022 draft guy for them to sneak into their top 100 (94th), and they had him ranked 11th on their board. Barriera was 15th, so I'd imagine he's not far behind their top 100.

They have Kyle Harrison (22) as the only LHP higher than Tiedemann (34). Tiedemann is a full year younger and at the same level as Harrison. Granted, he's thrown 10 fewer starts at AA and is on a limit now but I feel like Ricky should be in that Eury Perez/Daniel Espino tier of SPs.

Also don't agree with them being so down on Leo Jimenez, Otto Lopez, and Estiven Machado.

I haven't read much on Machado but I really like Jimenez from what I read. He's been unlucky with injuries and BAPIP this year it seems.

Jays have some good talent at the lower levels so hopefully, those guys break out next year.

 

[phillipmike]

Not a good deadline for the Yankees so far

The Yankees were praised for this deadline by some and they lost more WAR in trades they made.

Yankees traded: Gallo and Montgomery: 1.5 fWAR

Yankees acquired: Benintendi, Montas Efross, and Bader: 0.5 fWAR

Bader still hasnt played a game, Montas had 3 bad starts (all losses) and now Efross is on the IL. Only Benintendi is playing well.

 

[phillipmike]

Here are MLB Farm System Rankings.

Jays are ranked 20th.

Updated farm system rankings for 2022

Adley Rutschman was one of the main reasons why the Orioles topped MLB Pipeline's farm system rankings at midseason in 2021 and again entering this season. Baseball's best catching prospect in years, he has made a case for being the game's best catcher since arriving in Baltimore in late May

www.mlb.com

20. Toronto Blue Jays
2022 preseason rank: 21
2021 midseason rank: 14
2021 preseason rank: 7
2020 midseason rank: 7

Top 100 prospects: Gabriel Moreno, C (No. 7); Ricky Tiedemann, LHP (No. 34); Orelvis Martinez, SS/3B (No. 73)
If Moreno had graduated as many expected him to by this point, the Jays would have likely slipped a few places. Instead, they actually rise one from their preseason standing. Moreno, who is blocked by Toronto at present, continues to show a plus hit tool and special athleticism behind the plate, while on the other end of the battery, Tiedemann has been one of the Minors’ best breakout pitchers in his first full season, rising from the 2021 third round to comfortably within the Top 100. Brandon Barriera and Tucker Toman were solid Draft additions, and Yosver Zulueta (when healthy) flashes plus stuff across the board. What once looked like a deep group of Toronto infielders has taken a step back, affecting the overall health of the system, and outside of the big three, there are questions about how much pitching this group can provide future Toronto staffs. More »

 

[phillipmike]

Give us 2 more years, you can catch Bonds!

 

[phillipmike]

 

[MS]

Give us 2 more years, you can catch Bonds!

It's even more impressive because he's actually 44 years old.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Loving these big meaningful games late in the season. There was a 14 year stretch (for some it was longer) of absolutely 0 meaningful games late in the season. Then there was 2015 and 2016, lots of fun. Then again a lull till 2020. And now this is the 3rd straight year with the Jays playing meaningful games. Hopefully Jays can obliterate the Sox again and keep getting closer to those playoffs.

 

[phillipmike]

Looking At Every Prospect Ross Atkins Has Traded Away. (Updated To Include 2022 Deadline Trades).

Only including players who had prospect status at the time of the trade so someone like Gio Urshela was excluded. Also, excluded players who left as minor league free agents / Rule 5 picks so players like Dany Jimenez, Zach Jackson and Harold Ramirez were excluded.

Biggest take-aways is that there is yet to be a prospect that has made a legit MLB impact outside of actually for the Blue Jays and Atkins has done a good job of trading prospects away before their value evaporates.

Solid Upside Ranked Prospects:

• SP Simeon Woods-Richardson Age 21 (Berrios Trade) - 6th MIN
  • Has resurrected his career this season and has recently made the jump to AAA. Finished AA with a 3.06 ERA, .217 BAA, 1.16 WHIP and 77 SO / 26 BB in 37.2 innings. Interesting to see if he is able to sustain the success. He struggled to do so in previous seasons.
• SP Gunnar Hoglund Age 22 (Chapman Trade) - 9th OAK
  • Was considered a steal at the draft but was out Tommy John so going to be some time before we see how he develops. Recently made his return.

Major Question Mark Ranked Prospects:

• SP Max Castillo Age 23 (Merrifield Trade) - 17th KC
  • Came out of no where this season and had a breakout season. Carried that success over into the Majors. His peripherals aren't the best and scouts don't think he can keep it up (Ex. He has allowed 5 HR in just 25 IP). Made his debut with KC and had 5.0 IP allowing 1 ER.
• SP Nick Frasso Age 23 (White Trade) - 18th LAD
  • Continuing his dominating ways but remains well overage in A+. On the season has a 1.08 ERA, 0.60 WHIP, .138 BAA and 24 SO / 2 BB. He might skyrocket upwards or fall off completely depending on his handling of the next level. High relief pitcher outcome.

Declining Ranked Prospects:

• OF Austin Martin Age 23 (Berrios Trade) - 12th MIN
  • Batting .244/.371/.308 with an OPS of .679 in AA. Continues to fail to meet expectations and showing non-existing power. Likely to keep dropping on prospect ratings. There was talk of MIN moving on from him due to him being surpassed by others in the organization.
• SS/3B Jordan Groshans Age 23 (Pop/Bass Trade) - 12th MIA
  • Was slowing falling down ranking boards well before the trade with power becoming a major concern with him. His plate discipline remains really good. He is off to a hot start with his new organization though hitting .346/.452/.500 with an OPS of .952 in 52 AB.
• OF Alberto Rodriguez Age 21 (Walker Trade) - 14th SEA
  • Still a bit of an unknown as he is still only in A+ but was at one point a Top 7 prospect in their system but has dropped down after a subpar season. Having his first "poor" year batting .269/.340/.401 with an OPS of .741.

Doing well but not considered to have too much upside:

• OF Griffin Conine Age 25 (Villar Trade) - 26th MIA
  • .227/.346/.446 with an OPS of .792 in AA
• 2B Samad Taylor Age 24 (Merrifield Trade) - 29th KC
  • .258/.337/.426 with an OPS of .763 in AAA
• 1B Ryan Noda Age 26 ( Stripling Trade) - NR LAD
  • .268/.392/.482 with an OPS of .874 in AAA

Marginal MLB Impact So Far (No Longer Prospect Eligible):

Solid/Good:

• Edward Olivares Age 26 (KC - Solarte): .303/.358/.434 with an OPS of .792 in 99 AB

Not Great But Has Upside:

• Josh Winckowski Age 24 (BOS via NYM - Matz): 5.19 ERA, 1.50 WHIP and 36 SO / 21 BB in 60.2 IP

Flop / Soon-To-Be Flop / Low Expectations:

• Cal Stevenson Age 25 (OAK via HOU/TB - Fisher): .188/.289/.250 with an OPS of .539 in 32 AB.
• Jeremy Beasley Age 26 (PIT - $$$): 4.80 ERA, 1.270 WHIP and 19 SO / 5 BB in 15.0 IP
• Zach Logue Age 26 (OAK - Chapman): 6.35 ERA, 1.500 WHIP and 31 K / 17 BB in 45.1 IP
• Joel Payamps Age 28 (KC - $$$): 3.16 ERA, 1.453 WHIP and 33K / 16 BB in 42.2 IP
• Anthony Castro Age 27 (CLE - Zimmer): 7.43 ERA, 1.500 WHIP and 12 K / 10 BB in 13.1 IP
• Kevin Smith Age 26 (OAK - Chapman): .180/.216/.302 with an OPS of .518 in 139 AB
• Kirby Snead Age 27 (OAK - Chapman): 6.10 ERA, 1.839 WHIP and 25 K / 20 BB in 31.0 IP
• Riley Adams Age 26 (WSH - Hand): .192/.284/.321 with an OPS of .605 in 78 AB
• Sean Reid-Foley Age 26 (NYM - Matz): 5.40 ERA, 1.400 WHIP, 8 K / 7 BB in 10.0 IP
• Lane Thomas Age 27 (STL - International $$$): .237/.285/.400 with an OPS of .685 in 350 AB

Too Early To Tell and Still Mostly Unknown In Rookie Ball:

• SP Moises Brito (LAD Age 20 - White)
• SP Leonel Callez (ATL Age 21 - $$$)
• SP Jonatan Bernal (KC Age 20 - Griffin)

Complete Unknowns/Flops:

J.J. D'Orazio (ARI - Soria), Yaifer Perdomo (ARI - Soria), Andrew McInvale (MIA - Richards), Troy Miller (NYM - Barnes), T.J. Zeuch (STL - Cash), Ty Tice (ARI - Cash), (Travis Bergen ARI - Ray), Kendall Williams (LAD - Stripling), Yennsy Díaz (NYM - Matz), Hector Perez (BAL - Cash), Chad Spanberger (MIL - Anderson), Rodrigo Orozco (SD - Brito), Dwight Smith Jr. (CWS - Cash), Connor Panas (SDP - Richards), Conner Greene (BAL - Grichuk), Jared Carkuff (SDP - Solarte), J.B. Woodman (STL - Diaz), Osman Gutierrez (MIA - Koehler), Ryan McBroom (KC - Refsnyder), Hansel Rodriguez (SDP - Upton Jr.), Brady Dragmire (STL - Cash), Colton Turner (CWS - Navarro), Guadalupe Chavez (HOU - Feldman), Sean Ratcliffe (ATL - Grilli)..etc.

From a poster on reddit. I dont agree with every he siad because there is a lot of time for some 20 year old prospects in A ball to develop in D'Orazio and Perdomo.

SWR just came off the IL and called up to AAA. And Hoglund has an arm injury again and was put on the 7 dat IL. Smith has worse numbers in the PCL league than he did in the majors.

Groshans finally showing some power, im cheering for him.

 

[stickty111]

Should be Richards DFA'd but I get it
Good to have Mayza back. I'm confident his performance before getting injured was just health related, and he's still the Mayza of old.

 

[Puckstuff]

I'm sure Pop will be up in a week with September call ups. No point in losing Richards forever over 1 week.

 

[canucksfan]

Loving these big meaningful games late in the season. There was a 14 year stretch (for some it was longer) of absolutely 0 meaningful games late in the season. Then there was 2015 and 2016, lots of fun. Then again a lull till 2020. And now this is the 3rd straight year with the Jays playing meaningful games. Hopefully Jays can obliterate the Sox again and keep getting closer to those playoffs.

I was too young for the 92 and 93 WS and the stretch after that until 2015 was for the most part awful. I think 1998 was the closest they got at making the playoffs. The 2008 team had fantastic pitching but the bats failed. I was super excited for the 2013 team and that year was a complete dud.

Jays went up against some fantastic Red Sox and Yankees teams that didn't help. They would have made the playoffs in a weaker division some years.

 

[Eyedea]

The Yankees were praised for this deadline by some and they lost more WAR in trades they made.

Yankees traded: Gallo and Montgomery: 1.5 fWAR

Yankees acquired: Benintendi, Montas Efross, and Bader: 0.5 fWAR

Bader still hasnt played a game, Montas had 3 bad starts (all losses) and now Efross is on the IL. Only Benintendi is playing well.

Don't think Bader was ever expected to play in August, but that's not the only reason why I thought it was an easy W for STL. Montgomery was a pain to play against and he has solid numbers against teams >= .500. Cards had one of the weakest rotations in the 1st half and now they're top 5 in the 2nd half.

 

[Eyedea]

I was too young for the 92 and 93 WS and the stretch after that until 2015 was for the most part awful. I think 1998 was the closest they got at making the playoffs. The 2008 team had fantastic pitching but the bats failed. I was super excited for the 2013 team and that year was a complete dud.

Jays went up against some fantastic Red Sox and Yankees teams that didn't help. They would have made the playoffs in a weaker division some years.

2006 was also the first time they finished 2nd in the division since 1993. That was a solidly above average team that probably could've competed for the division/wildcard if they had the 2005 versions of Josh Towers and Gustavo Chacin.

 

[theaub]

I was too young for the 92 and 93 WS and the stretch after that until 2015 was for the most part awful. I think 1998 was the closest they got at making the playoffs. The 2008 team had fantastic pitching but the bats failed. I was super excited for the 2013 team and that year was a complete dud.

Jays went up against some fantastic Red Sox and Yankees teams that didn't help. They would have made the playoffs in a weaker division some years.

Jays didn't play a single game in September where they were within 3 games of a playoff spot from '94 to '14. Its impressive to be that non-competitive.

Giant butterfly effect here but even in the current system the Jays would have had a playoff drought from 2000 through 2015.

 

[weems]

This guy is having just an insane season.

.314 avg, 21 home runs, 71 rbis, .933 OPS

It would be interesting to hear from pro scouts how they project him after the season he's had.