Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

[EasyMac]

I think the Padres are cursed.

I agree. That is the only explanation for being forced to wear those jerseys

 

[canucksfan]

This is just nasty

 

[phillipmike]

I wonder what happens here. Kikuchi gets optioned? Richards gets DFA’d?

 

[aingefan]

Just need to keep the heater going longer than the lil scuffle.

 

[weems]

Cade Doughty just hit his 4th HR

Jays drafted him #78 this past draft

 

[Canada4Gold]

Cade Doughty just hit his 4th HR

Jays drafted him #78 this past draft

Cade Doughty just hit his 5th HR

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

My monthly Jansen reality check.

Danny "Top 5 catcher in baseball" Jansen has finally played enough games for his numbers to normalize (as I cautioned about his unsustainable 22+ barrel%) and surprise to absolutely no one but his fanboys, he's an average, to below-average offensive player.

He's now hitting .197/.266/.426 with a well below-average 89 wRC+ in 41 games. That's good for 30th among catchers with at least 100 plate appearances.

But of course his apologists will point to his BABIP and attribute this all to "bad luck." Never mind the fact that historically, extreme fly-ball hitters (50% + batted balls are flyballs) without elite power tend to have below average BABIP.

Breaking Down BABIP: What Impacts Flyball BABIP for Hitters?

Ketel Marte and Pete Alonso were among the hitters to post misleading BABIP rates in 2019.

fantasy.fangraphs.com

BABIP is a Skill — Prospects Live

For a long time, we have discounted a high BABIP as a matter of luck. Yet, in the statcast era we have been able to pin down that it is a result of controllable inputs. BABIP is a skill and here are four minor leaguers who excel in it.

www.prospectslive.com

But wait, there's still his xWOBA that is .351! Never mind that xWOBA dogmatically rewards hits based on launch angle and exit velocity (among other things), which would favor flyball hitters (57.6%) who like to pull the ball a lot (52.5%). If you overlay his batted ball data with his outs/hits data, a lot of his flyballs die on the warning track. Maybe if he had a little more power those flyballs would turn into homeruns (he tried to do that early this season by being very pull heavy before pitchers adjusted). Maybe if he played in Fenway or Coors Field where flyballs consistently become hits rather than outs he'd be top 5 catcher, but in reality xWOBA is a limited and flawed stat. It does a better job predicting future xWOBA than it does future WOBA.

Thanks goodness we have Kirk and Moreno! That allows us to trade a X-"top five catcher" for a huge haul.

 

[Tony Romo]

Anyone by chance catch the E60 on bonds? But my god are baseball writers entitled. Almost seems like if he was nice (ala david ortiz) he would be in already.

 

[Blitzkrug]

My monthly Jansen reality check.

Danny "Top 5 catcher in baseball" Jansen has finally played enough games for his numbers to normalize (as I cautioned about his unsustainable 22+ barrel%) and surprise to absolutely no one but his fanboys, he's an average, to below-average offensive player.

He's now hitting .197/.266/.426 with a well below-average 89 wRC+ in 41 games. That's good for 30th among catchers with at least 100 plate appearances.

But of course his apologists will point to his BABIP and attribute this all to "bad luck." Never mind the fact that historically, extreme fly-ball hitters (50% + batted balls are flyballs) without elite power tend to have below average BABIP.

Breaking Down BABIP: What Impacts Flyball BABIP for Hitters?

Ketel Marte and Pete Alonso were among the hitters to post misleading BABIP rates in 2019.

fantasy.fangraphs.com

BABIP is a Skill — Prospects Live

For a long time, we have discounted a high BABIP as a matter of luck. Yet, in the statcast era we have been able to pin down that it is a result of controllable inputs. BABIP is a skill and here are four minor leaguers who excel in it.

www.prospectslive.com

But wait, there's still his xWOBA that is .351! Never mind that xWOBA dogmatically rewards hits based on launch angle and exit velocity (among other things), which would favor flyball hitters (57.6%) who like to pull the ball a lot (52.5%). If you overlay his batted ball data with his outs/hits data, a lot of his flyballs die on the warning track. Maybe if he had a little more power those flyballs would turn into homeruns (he tried to do that early this season by being very pull heavy before pitchers adjusted). Maybe if he played in Fenway or Coors Field where flyballs consistently become hits rather than outs he'd be top 5 catcher, but in reality xWOBA is a limited and flawed stat. It does a better job predicting future xWOBA than it does future WOBA.

Thanks goodness we have Kirk and Moreno! That allows us to trade a X-"top five catcher" for a huge haul.

Jansen should be gone in the winter. As i said many pages back, he has had multiple chances to grab the bull by the horns and cement himself as the guy behind the plate going back as far as 2019. He has failed at pretty much every opportunity.

Moreno is your future cornerstone, and Kirk can platoon there as well when needed.

 

[canucksfan]

Jansen should be gone in the winter. As i said many pages back, he has had multiple chances to grab the bull by the horns and cement himself as the guy behind the plate going back as far as 2019. He has failed at pretty much every opportunity.

Moreno is your future cornerstone, and Kirk can platoon there as well when needed.

I have been a big Jansen supporter but it's time to let him go in the off-season. He will have value. I would probably trade him for a prospect. Not sure you would get a positional player for him unless of course it's a reliever.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Uncus13]

I think Manoah would send Gerrit back in pieces and still pitch the inning lol.

 

[canucksfan]

Any word on Tucker Toman? He played a few games in Dunedin but hasn’t played since.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Any word on Tucker Toman? He played a few games in Dunedin but hasn’t played since.

He hasn't played any games for Dunedin. He's been playing with the FCL Jays and played in their last game which was yesterday

 

[trellaine201]

Hi. Does anyone understand who makes the playoffs in High A? I tried understanding but I am unclear.

Wondering if the Canadians have a chance? They are currently second in the second half.

Thanks

 

[MAB1]

Gerrit Cole acting like he's Clayton Kershaw, Justin Verlander or Max Scherzer...by all means get your ass beat by Manoah on national television.

Maybe he's still mad people realized he's overrated without illegal substances helping his performance.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Kirk has a 140 wrc+ which is tops among AL catchers while Moreno still hasn’t established himself as a MLB player. I wouldn’t be so fast to say “Kirk will platoon as needed”. Kirk IS the cornerstone at the moment.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

For those who do most of their baseball research on their mobile (like me), Fangraphs has released an App. Fairly basic but pretty smooth so far. Looking forward to the next few updates when they add articles and leaderboards.

Having said that, Fangraphs on mobile browser (Brave) hasn't been bad at all for me.

We’re Launching a New FanGraphs Mobile App

The app will be available for both iOS and Android devices.

blogs.fangraphs.com

 

[SDig14]

Cade Doughty just hit his 5th HR

Looks like he has 4 doubles and 5 homers in about 40 ABs. His scouting report was he had very good bat to ball skills but seems like already showing good power. Love to see it.

The top of that draft with Barriera, Toman, Kasevich and Doughty have some solid potential.

 

[theaub]

I have been a big Jansen supporter but it's time to let him go in the off-season. He will have value. I would probably trade him for a prospect. Not sure you would get a positional player for him unless of course it's a reliever.

Yup I'm one of the biggest Jansen guys here but with Kirk/Moreno plus Springer definitely going to be DH'ing more going forward its pretty clear Jansen is the odd guy out.

 

[tom leafers]

il be honest, i had no idea how much of an ABSOLUTE UNIT Manoah is. i had no idea the dude was 6'6 260

 

[Eyedea]

For those who do most of their baseball research on their mobile (like me), Fangraphs has released an App. Fairly basic but pretty smooth so far. Looking forward to the next few updates when they add articles and leaderboards.

Having said that, Fangraphs on mobile browser (Brave) hasn't been bad at all for me.

We’re Launching a New FanGraphs Mobile App

The app will be available for both iOS and Android devices.

blogs.fangraphs.com

Biggest issue for me is looking through the leaderboards, especially when trying to add a split. Hopefully that's the next addition to the app.

 

[MS]

Looks like he has 4 doubles and 5 homers in about 40 ABs. His scouting report was he had very good bat to ball skills but seems like already showing good power. Love to see it.

The top of that draft with Barriera, Toman, Kasevich and Doughty have some solid potential.

Doughty's start so far is incredible, and is on par with the NCAA guys taken in the first half of the first round.