The "Team" Is Broken

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LOL.

Who cares about opening night? The team as of right now seems clearly worse than the one that just got the shit kicked out of them by Florida and we've spent so many futures, it's not like we're in a good position to add much at the TDL. We're also over the cap and resolving that one way or the other isn't going to make us stronger.

We'll probably cruise to the playoffs as usual so if making the playoffs is enough to make people happy, great be happy. If you're like me though and are more interested in going deep in the playoffs then in whether we finish 4th or 14th in the regular season, what counts is that we're not in a better position than we were this spring, and where we were has been nowhere near good enough for many years now.

Resolving the cap issue is easy.

Step 1 buy out Murray Samsonov has filed for arbitration so they can do that.

Step 2 Muzzin on LTIR

Step 3 waive and/or trade Lafferty or Timmins.

Done.

Regardless being over the cap is an easy fix and no it won't make them worse in fact it probably makes them better because with Murray gone Woll becomes the full time backup, and Woll over Murray certainly looks like an upgrade.
 
People are looking too deeply into "going on dinner parties" nobody is saying you need to have the most dinners to win a Stanley Cup.

All I know is if I'm close with one of my boys, and someone does something dirty to them, you best believe I'm going to take offense. If you tell me it doesn't happen on the Leafs because we have the softest group in the league then sure I guess that can be the reason for it. But with these reports coming out now.... It makes me think that maybe they just aren't a tight nit group. If it was you'd see guys standing up for each other much more than you do now. But hey, maybe I just come from a different time.
 
I consider the Dubas years “write offs”. I like what Tree has done so far. ROR has always struck me a shitty guy. Tbh I dunno what STL saw to make him captain. I obviously don’t know him personally, but his tenure here played out exactly as his public character to date would suggest.
 
They don’t stand up for each other on the ice which is a much bigger issue. Maybe they don’t know each other

I consider the Dubas years “write offs”. I like what Tree has done so far. ROR has always struck me a shitty guy. Tbh I dunno what STL saw to make him captain. I obviously don’t know him personally, but his tenure here played out exactly as his public character to date would suggest.
Stl saw his Amish leadership skills…

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I don't think a team can lose a Stanley Cup by having anti-social dining habits, or win one with a big party scene, but I take the whispers as meaning they aren't as cohesive a group that tightly knit championship teams tend to be.

I don't know if this is necessarily an indictment on the group though. Seems fairly self explanatory that we have a highly paid core group of players who have job security, media coverage and responsibilities to perform, an outer group of good friends and a revolving cast of filler players and mercenaries whom the previous GM has sold on coming in to "bet on yourself." Between that, they sprinkle in the random greybeard Foligno, Thornton, Spezza, Giordano, ROR for cohesion. No wonder it's basically an NBA starting 5 and a bench.
To me, if team dinner is the key to Cups, every team will be doing it.

My take away from what ROR, Reaves and Keefe showed the Leafs dressing room is not like other teams dressing room.
Then you add in the comment about Core Four or Big Four from BT in one of his early presser.
It is not hard to think there is this top group and everyone else.
To me, when judging their playoffs results, it is easy to point to that as one of the problems or at the very least one of the areas where they can improve on. But if they are winning Cup/S, who cares if they all play Roblox or Fortnite or hitting the strip clubs or have orgies right after their games.
 
Team building 101: to build a culture of being united in cause, where everyone feels valued.

We've all heard rumours of a locker room divide before.

This is nothing new. The fans have even seen it play out on ice. I don't think there was ever any doubt Holl wasn't coming back after that incident with Matthews.

It's almost like the team has an "us vs them" culture.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the horribly unbalanced payroll construction. The Leafs have set up the perfect way to have a divided dressing room. Over pay the studs while low balling the duds.

I wouldn't want to go out for dinner knowing the guy sitting across from me cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars either.

Most of these guys know there is no future for this team with them on it. Even the players just signed only took one year deals. It's a revolving door of free agents.

That the GM is praying his coach can turn into a team united with chemistry.
 
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Kinda hilarious to see people putting down ROR. The guy has done more in the biggest games than the core combined topped with a Conn Smythe.

Somehow he’s a money chaser and not the clowns on the Leafs with three of the highest cap hits in the sport yet nothing to show for it.

Whether it’s team dinners or something else, this team in its current state is rotten to the core.

Just a collection of shiny pieces with a clueless coach in the playoffs.
 
Tavaras may not be the best captain money can buy, but it is tough to inspire 2 guys like AM and MM who do not wish to be inspired. Young rich pampered independent.
Dubas protected his people, including Keefe. Nobody is allowed to challenge the big 3, including the coach.
IMHO, Willie is not part of the in-crowd. The crowd appears, to face a new challenge supported by the new GM. He has to win.
With the recent tumble of AM in points, effort, results, and room power it points to AM having a secret in his personal life that keeps him out of the camaraderie circle, out of any real relationships inside the team. Marners absence is easy to see. His little cutie dominates his life. AM separation is less clear.
 
On the road team dinners will now be held at Waffle House.

Problem solved
 
It's hard to put your finger on it, but there does seem to be evidence of poor locker room unity, culture, or whatever you want to call it.

Virtually every rental we've acquired has walked. Lyubushkin, Foligno, ROR, Schenn, Acciari, etc. ROR in particular is from the area, specifically wanted to come here at the deadline, yet still decided to leave a few months later to go to a rebuiding team, despite the Leafs offering similar $$/term. Others may have left for $$, but that's also because of our top heavy cap structure, which itself could be a cause of tension.

The top players going hard to squeeze every last penny from the organization, and thus leaving less $$ for everyone else I can't imagine is super popular. With a less top heavy cap structure, there would be more stability to the roster with less of a revolving door, and a better chance to build a contender. The organization and the media seem to essentially treat the team as the "Core Four" + Rielly/Brodie, and then everyone else.

Scrums after the whistle, and you see the highly paid guys like Matthews and Marner laughing and avoiding any involvement/contact - doesn't exactly inspire teammates. They're not expected to be Colton Orr out there, but i struggle to think of stars from other teams that are quite that disengaged.

So anyway, maybe OP is trolling, I'm not entirely sure. But I personally wouldn't be at all surprised if there are locker room / leadership issues. Certainly I've never got the impression that it's a super tight group that's willing to run through a brick wall for each other and do whatever it takes to win.
 
Does your observation derive from your most recent experience of participating on a Stanley Cup winning team while also being awarded the Conn Smythe trophy?
Oh...this now requires a knucklehead PhD of nhl winning experience. Maybe I can draw on a few decades of running large teams of people developing big projects. This kind weird cult behavior does nothing. Only people who have never accomplished a f***ing thing in their life other thN opine on bullshit would ever suggest such stupidity
 
Hockey has changed a lot over past few years .. hockey is not religion for most of these kids today .. guys don't go through walls for da coach anymore .. no one taps you on da shoulder .. guys are more concerned about getting their contracts before they exit hockey .. before we played to make da show and that was what it was all about .. ya died trying while most never made it .. it is cultural and societal too as things have gotten much softer and more legal as time passes on .. there are not as many nasty pricks who play anymore .. skill rules da day .. hooking interference and smash into glass heads up does not cut it anymore .. it is just a different game
There are also different dietary preferences and requirements. These players are miles ahead from an athletic conditioning perspective from where they were. Not everyone wants to go out for beer and wings every night. We might as well criticize them all for not going outside together for a communal smoke.
 
Kind of wild seeing that we're living in an age where people don't think communal dinners are important anymore. Of course they're important,: breaking bread together, feasting, even family dinners are basically the cornerstone of human culture for the last few thousand years. I say this just as much for you guys as I do for the Leafs.

Cold professionalism in the workplace is fine for corporate hellscapes, but you need real camaraderie and team cohesion if you're in a group trying to do something special like win a Stanley Cup. It really is no surprise to me that a real leader like ROR got one look at our Leafs and wanted to get the hell out of Dodge as quickly as possible. I've been saying for a while now that our biggest problems are leadership related and this lack of community meals on the road is a very clear indicator of that problem.
 
Tavaras may not be the best captain money can buy, but it is tough to inspire 2 guys like AM and MM who do not wish to be inspired. Young rich pampered independent.
Dubas protected his people, including Keefe. Nobody is allowed to challenge the big 3, including the coach.
IMHO, Willie is not part of the in-crowd. The crowd appears, to face a new challenge supported by the new GM. He has to win.
With the recent tumble of AM in points, effort, results, and room power it points to AM having a secret in his personal life that keeps him out of the camaraderie circle, out of any real relationships inside the team. Marners absence is easy to see. His little cutie dominates his life. AM separation is less clear.
OK Freud

Kind of wild seeing that we're living in an age where people don't think communal dinners are important anymore. Of course they're important,: breaking bread together, feasting, even family dinners are basically the cornerstone of human culture for the last few thousand years. I say this just as much for you guys as I do for the Leafs.

Cold professionalism in the workplace is fine for corporate hellscapes, but you need real camaraderie and team cohesion if you're in a group trying to do something special like win a Stanley Cup. It really is no surprise to me that a real leader like ROR got one look at our Leafs and wanted to get the hell out of Dodge as quickly as possible. I've been saying for a while now that our biggest problems are leadership related and this lack of community meals on the road is a very clear indicator of that problem.
A communal dinner is not often a nightly event except if you are in a religious order or a cult.
 
Kind of wild seeing that we're living in an age where people don't think communal dinners are important anymore. Of course they're important,: breaking bread together, feasting, even family dinners are basically the cornerstone of human culture for the last few thousand years. I say this just as much for you guys as I do for the Leafs.

Cold professionalism in the workplace is fine for corporate hellscapes, but you need real camaraderie and team cohesion if you're in a group trying to do something special like win a Stanley Cup. It really is no surprise to me that a real leader like ROR got one look at our Leafs and wanted to get the hell out of Dodge as quickly as possible. I've been saying for a while now that our biggest problems are leadership related and this lack of community meals on the road is a very clear indicator of that problem.
Could be a reason why they don’t stick up for each other on the ice.
 
Could be a reason why they don’t stick up for each other on the ice.
I think it's more that it was beaten into them that they shouldn't risk going to the box or erasing a powerplay opportunity. Other team takes a penalty or does something dirty, the Leafs don't do anything because they want the man advantage.
 
Seems like there are a lot individuals or mini groups within the team like Team Sweden with Nylander, Engvall, Sandin, Jarnkrok and Liljegren, they'd go out to dinners etc...

Others have said guys are mercenaries coming in on 1 year deals...no loyalty or love or attachment to teammates.

I think that was something of a failure on Treliving, he did want to get away from the "big 4" but outside of Reaves somehow getting a 3 year deal, a bunch of guys on a 1 year deal...
 

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