The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[teamfirst]

the most important factor is it's still VERY early.

But how much early......that is the question, how many years before being able to assess if you hired the right guy.......same thing goes for the coaches, cuz apparently we can't decide if MSL is the right guy cuz you know.....REBUILD

 

[417]

But how much early......that is the question, how many years before being able to assess if you hired the right guy.......same thing goes for the coaches, cuz apparently we can't decide if MSL is the right guy cuz you know.....REBUILD

Well I think at the conclusion of this season will be an important performance indicator.

They stated they wanted to progress, so you can measure how this season went against last year where progress wasn't as important of a factor.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

PR or not, I think it's perfectly reasonable because I also wanted the Habs to play meaningful games past the Trade Deadline. To me, not being functionally eliminated from the playoffs before the New Year and not mathematically eliminated until April are important milestones.


I edited my comment after posting to specifically concede the point. Calma, calma.

You didn't respond to my lengthy reply a few days ago to not so subtly avoid your own concession. We notice.

I didn't read nor answer because it was too damn long and we were going around in circle. Don't pretend to know what a non response is about. You aren't inside my head.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Giving Mtb a 3 year contract was a sign of at least tanking until that contract ends (as it ends with Gallagher and the rest of Bergevin's mess-ups).

No it was not. Monty played well last season and I am sure they expected him to be a decent # 1. Still to be determined if he is.

 

[Mrb1p]

The next step is in the Habs rebuild is getting rid of the good ol' country club.

Martin needs to leave.
Matheson needs to leave.
Dvorak needs to leave.
Gally needs to leave.
Anderson needs to leave.
Cole, Nick, Slaf, and all the other youngsters need to fall in line.

We need to see a team that is well-run. Not another Maple Leafs fiasco, right now that's how the Habs are playing.

Effort needs to be demanded.
Shifts need to be shorter and more meaningful. No more coasting, and this starts with Matheson and Nick.
Accountability needs to be a paragon.
Vets can't be allowed to make incessant mistakes because "They're playing too much".

I want this team to be the 08 Red Wings and not the 2020 Maple Leafs. There's very little difference in the make up of both teams, both were made up of highly skilled forward, I guess it's hard to compare Nick Lidstrom though, and mid-pack goaltenders, but the way they addressed hockey game was much different.

Matheson's never played longer shifts than he ever did here with the Habs, thats also one of the reasons why he's god-awful. 1:02 Average shift this year. That's way too high, especially for the quality of player he is.

 

[Miller Time]

, I guess it's hard to compare Nick Lidstrom though,

Top 5 all time Dman is indeed "hard to compare"

Sometimes I can't tell if these hot takes are meant to be pure comedy...

 

[Mrb1p]

Top 5 all time Dman is indeed "hard to compare"

Sometimes I can't tell if these hot takes are meant to be pure comedy...

I'm not sure how you came out with this only in all I wrote. Good job.

 

[Miller Time]

I'm not sure how you came out with this only in all I wrote. Good job.

your assessment was based on an obviously flawed premise... I quoted the most glaringly incoherent statement, one which exposes how poor the entire take was.

If you can't understand the impact that a player of Lidstrom's caliber has on a contending team, I wonder if you understand much of anything about hockey

 

[Mrb1p]

your assessment was based on an obviously flawed premise... I quoted the most glaringly incoherent statement, one which exposes how poor the entire take was.

If you can't understand the impact that a player of Lidstrom's caliber has on a contending team, I wonder if you understand much of anything about hockey

Yeah, yeah.

 

[cphabs]

We could use another top D to help out Guhle. Also, our captain is a wallflower IMO.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

A Matheson trade would make for a good shakeup and bring some more respect back to Hughes IMO

Capitalize on Matheson's value being high, take away Marty's favorite toy, trade from a position of strength, show some balls by trading away a member of the Quartexx club, send a message to the room by trading a well-respected Vet

 

[HabsCode]

A Matheson trade would make for a good shakeup and bring some more respect back to Hughes IMO

Capitalize on Matheson's value being high, take away Marty's favorite toy, trade from a position of strength, show some balls by trading away a member of the Quartexx club, send a message to the room by trading a well-respected Vet

You forgot: Assure yourself of picking top 3!

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You forgot: Assure yourself of picking top 3!

That's already assured with the roster and coach they have in place

 

[NotSNFan]

We could use another top D to help out Guhle. Also, our captain is a wallflower IMO.

Absolutely agree. And another poster said, he's a coaster. You'll also see very few players backcheck as casually or get to the bench so slowly to allow fresh legs to get on the ice

 

[themilosh]

your assessment was based on an obviously flawed premise... I quoted the most glaringly incoherent statement, one which exposes how poor the entire take was.

If you can't understand the impact that a player of Lidstrom's caliber has on a contending team, I wonder if you understand much of anything about hockey

You calling a fellow poster's post as "glaringly incoherent" never works to find decent conversation.

We all have our preferences- at this point none are wrong..

 

[themilosh]

Absolutely agree. And another poster said, he's a coaster. You'll also see very few players backcheck as casually or get to the bench so slowly to allow fresh legs to get on the ice

I like Suzuki but he's always struck me as a Dylan Larkin type.. too clean, not gritty enough to make a difference. This is why Detroit is in quicksand.. the entire roster us made up of smallish, soft forwards.. this never works if the Cup is the true objective.. if we can bottom out this year, and pick up Hagens, id feel a gell of alot more secure with our top 6. As if now, we are a weak, soft team..

 

[417]

The next step is in the Habs rebuild is getting rid of the good ol' country club.

Martin needs to leave.
Matheson needs to leave.
Dvorak needs to leave.
Gally needs to leave.
Anderson needs to leave.
Cole, Nick, Slaf, and all the other youngsters need to fall in line.

MSL might not be the coach this team needs when it's ready to take the next step, but he's not going anywhere for now, he's growing as a coach much like the team is.

Matheson is going to get moved at some point in the next 15 months, patience.

Dvorak is going to move before this trade deadline, patience

Gallagher & Anderson, their contracts are too difficult to move and Hughes isn't taking a L just to move both players, especially not right now given they've been 2 of the more consistent players this season. if the team was actually good, then you might have a point that they "need to leave", but they're not good, so trading them at a cost to the Habs AND continuing to suck, doesn't fix anything but make you feel better that the team got rid of players you don't like.

Cole, Nick and Slaf are very much like the coach, growing, you need to stop accelerating their timeline because you're impatient.

We need to see a team that is well-run. Not another Maple Leafs fiasco, right now that's how the Habs are playing.

Effort needs to be demanded.
Shifts need to be shorter and more meaningful. No more coasting, and this starts with Matheson and Nick.
Accountability needs to be a paragon.
Vets can't be allowed to make incessant mistakes because "They're playing too much".

One day Matheson won't be on this team anymore, and I can't wait to see who the next player to get under your skin will be lol.

I gotta give it to you, you're consistent/persistent with your posts lol.

 

[morhilane]

Absolutely agree. And another poster said, he's a coaster. You'll also see very few players backcheck as casually or get to the bench so slowly to allow fresh legs to get on the ice

How he coast to line change always annoyed me. Glad to see I'm not the only one who realized that.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I like Suzuki but he's always struck me as a Dylan Larkin type.. too clean, not gritty enough to make a difference. This is why Detroit is in quicksand.. the entire roster us made up of smallish, soft forwards.. this never works if the Cup is the true objective.. if we can bottom out this year, and pick up Hagens, id feel a gell of alot more secure with our top 6. As if now, we are a weak, soft team..

I would agree with this if I didn’t see him in that Stanley Cup run as a 21 year old. I think the losing is wearing on some of the guys. This is the fourth year the team has been in the basement of the league. Suzuki’s entering his prime. I’m sure the motivation right now is at an all time low.

 

[junyab]

I like Suzuki but he's always struck me as a Dylan Larkin type.. too clean, not gritty enough to make a difference. This is why Detroit is in quicksand.. the entire roster us made up of smallish, soft forwards.. this never works if the Cup is the true objective.. if we can bottom out this year, and pick up Hagens, id feel a gell of alot more secure with our top 6. As if now, we are a weak, soft team..

I just can't understand this board sometimes - Larkin and Suzuki aren't making a difference out there? And it's Larkin's fault Detroit is where they are?!

 

[domiwroze]

No it was not. Monty played well last season and I am sure they expected him to be a decent # 1. Still to be determined if he is.

I don't think they give 3 years and Reimer's type of contract to a expected #1 goalie.

This a stop gap contract until Fowler is ready to go 50-55games.

 

[teamfirst]

MSL might not be the coach this team needs when it's ready to take the next step, but he's not going anywhere for now, he's growing as a coach much like the team is.

Why do we keep him then, do we think he is gona be some kind of genious coach that will change the way hockey is played for the century to come, why do the Habs has to grow a coach while developping young players.....are they no experience coach already grown avalaible.....jesus

Every young D we have as regress from their first day with us, at this rate they all gone have to relearn how to play defense when a new coach arrive

Matheson is going to get moved at some point in the next 15 months, patience.

Surely hope you're right, i'm not so sure, and they already missed a good opportunity to sell him high at the last TDL

Dvorak is going to move before this trade deadline, patience

Agree

Gallagher & Anderson, their contracts are too difficult to move and Hughes isn't taking a L just to move both players, especially not right now given they've been 2 of the more consistent players this season. if the team was actually good, then you might have a point that they "need to leave", but they're not good, so trading them at a cost to the Habs AND continuing to suck, doesn't fix anything but make you feel better that the team got rid of players you don't like.

True

 

[Miller Time]

You calling a fellow poster's post as "glaringly incoherent" never works to find decent conversation.

True. Also true that not all posts are meant to strike up a conversation.

Pointing out glaring incoherence in a post is meant to do just that, nothing more.

We all have our preferences- at this point none are wrong..

A preference is never "wrong", it's just a preference.

A baseless or incoherent argument, on the other hand, absolutely can be wrong.

 

[417]

Why do we keep him then, do we think he is gona be some kind of genious coach that will change the way hockey is played for the century to come, why do the Habs has to grow a coach while developping young players.....are they no experience coach already grown avalaible.....jesus

Every young D we have as regress from their first day with us, at this rate they all gone have to relearn how to play defense when a new coach arrive

I don't know i'm just telling you that's the route they chose to go with, abandoning it now doesn't make much sense unless there's a surefire guy out there whose proven and you know will bring immediate results, on a roster not built for immediate success.

Surely hope you're right, i'm not so sure, and they already missed a good opportunity to sell him high at the last TDL

Dmen get traded at every deadline, i'm not sure why it would be any different now.

Matheson's popularity amongst Habs fans and his value around the league, couldn't be more diametrically opposed.

 

[teamfirst]

I don't know i'm just telling you that's the route they chose to go with, abandoning it now doesn't make much sense unless there's a surefire guy out there whose proven and you know will bring immediate results, on a roster not built for immediate success.

Dmen get traded at every deadline, i'm not sure why it would be any different now.

Matheson's popularity amongst Habs fans and his value around the league, couldn't be more diametrically opposed.

To me it make sense to give our young guy's the best environment possible for them to developp properly and what i'm seeing since last season ain't it.

Again it as nothing to do with ''immediate results '' points wise but everything to do with developpment.