OneSharpMarble
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Beck is starting to look like our most valuable prospect. Demidov is incredible but Beck seems like someone who can bring leadership, strength and grit to group of skilled guys who are as soft as tissue paper.
Regardless of whether you want to classify it as a rebuild or tanking or scorched earth or any other term is irrelevant to the point that it takes a lot of time to climb out of the basement and expecting us to do it quicker then pretty much every other successful basement to cup team is a case of fans being impatient and not understanding what rebuilding actually entails.I think you're a great poster but there's some ignorance in this post.
Tampa Bay never rebuilt. They kept everyone and the little they did trade they either re-signed in the same off-season to a long-term deal (Prospal) or to try and get a starting goalie and depth (Richards for Smith and Jokinen).
Pittsburgh was on the verge of bankruptcy.
Colorado are a bit of an odd one. They went half-rebuild/half-compete and were in the abyss for roughly ten years.
Regardless of whether you want to classify it as a rebuild or tanking or scorched earth or any other term is irrelevant to the point that it takes a lot of time to climb out of the basement and expecting us to do it quicker then pretty much every other successful basement to cup team is a case of fans being impatient and not understanding what rebuilding actually entails.
Many of those teams also didn't try to tank harder, Tampa for example kept Lecavalier and St-Louis while rebuilding with Stamkos and Hedman. Chicago was making trades for guys like Havlat and signing the top UFAs at the time like Khavibuhlin even while going through the rebuild.But what about that winning culture that was so important when we should have been tanking harder?
I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways...
And then they ended up back in the basement in the two years after that. Which shows that rebuilds take time, aren't linear, and there will be ups and downs where it seems the team seems to regress before they figure it out.That's the point, TB drafted Stamkos in '08 and were in the Conference Finals in '11 after acquiring grizzled vet Dwayne Roloson mid-year. Then they missed a couple of times again. They never sold anyone.
There's no point in bringing them up. They didn't do anything like us at all. That matters. They're not an example. They were always trying to compete. Much like the Blackhawks in the 00s.
Many of those teams also didn't try to tank harder, Tampa for example kept Lecavalier and St-Louis while rebuilding with Stamkos and Hedman. Chicago was making trades for guys like Havlat and signing the top UFAs at the time like Khavibuhlin even while going through the rebuild.
And then they ended up back in the basement in the two years after that. Which shows that rebuilds take time, aren't linear, and there will be ups and downs where it seems the team seems to regress before they figure it out.
I get what you are saying but we have not made any significant strides to fall back on since Day 1 of the rebuild.Many of those teams also didn't try to tank harder, Tampa for example kept Lecavalier and St-Louis while rebuilding with Stamkos and Hedman. Chicago was making trades for guys like Havlat and signing the top UFAs at the time like Khavibuhlin even while going through the rebuild.
Hard tanks are almost certainly a obsolete with the new lottery rules.The only hard tanks that won the Cup post-lockout are Pittsburgh and Washington.
We all would love to see big steps being taken by players and the team, but no a step back isn't some massive failure it's a completely normal part of development and progress. Hughes even talked about how we might see a step back and not to panic when talking about expectations for Slafkovsky this season, and the same is true for the team.The only hard tanks that won the Cup post-lockout are Pittsburgh and Washington.
For sure but I'll take a Conference final (/s) over another season in the dumps (that management is actively trying to get out of). If the year looks like the first 7 games, it's a massive failure. Period. Injuries are an absolute bitch so I won't call for anyone's head but the honeymoon needs to end. We need to see serious improvement. Our apex four years in can't be 22-23 with a worse year following that. That's alarming.
I assume that HuGO don't want to thank the season, and that they'd be likely to trade for help if this keeps up.
We all would love to see big steps being taken by players and the team, but no a step back isn't some massive failure it's a completely normal part of development and progress. Hughes even talked about how we might see a step back and not to panic when talking about expectations for Slafkovsky this season, and the same is true for the team.
They've stated they are always looking to get better, but at the right price, for the right player, without impeding on their long term plans, which is slowly, but surely, getting better. In other words, they won't be looking for quick easy fixes that would jeapordize their commitment to long term building.
Amen!
It’s not about wins or loses. At the start of the year I said they would get about the same points they did last year.
It’s about how they are playing. I don’t care if they lose but play with energy, show up at puck drop, and don’t get globetrotted for minutes on end in their own zone.
Work hard and be competitive, ffs, is that too much to ask at this point of the rebuild? How anyone can watch these 7 games not expect more is crazy.
At some point you have to stop using the “rebuild” as an excuse and expect more.
Team also started to cover him a lot more, it's not like there is anyone else to cover on the team outside of the first line anyhow.
He has impressed me watching him skate and compete in Laval. He throws solid hits too.Beck is starting to look like our most valuable prospect. Demidov is incredible but Beck seems like someone who can bring leadership, strength and grit to group of skilled guys who are as soft as tissue paper.
Hard disagree from me. The team hasn't shown anywhere near enough potential that a step-back isn't a problem. No way.
Which is what we hear all the time from every rebuilding club in the league. It's in page 11 of the GM's manual to rebuilding. Means absolutely nothing.
'I would love to get better today all the while building a long-term project'
Yeah, who doesn't?
Given that a step back also means a better draft pick then I don't see why not showing enough potential would make it a problem, if anything getting the better draft pick is more important to the team who hasn't shown enough potential.Hard disagree from me. The team hasn't shown anywhere near enough potential that a step-back isn't a problem. No way.
Given that a step back also means a better draft pick then I don't see why not showing enough potential would make it a problem, if anything getting the better draft pick is more important to the team who hasn't shown enough potential.
Why is it alarming? It's frustrating to sit through as a fan but I don't really know why it should impact the medium to long term view. If everyone were healthy and we had a group of solid veterans I'd be concerned, but they're not and we don't. We're currently dressing between 4 and 6 forwards who will be on the roster long term and of all our young D Guhle and Hutson are the only locks to stick around. The crown jewel of the rebuild so far is still in Russia. Montembeault has been good but our backup who doesn't really matter long term has posted an .880.Our apex four years in can't be 22-23 with a worse year following that. That's alarming.
Why is it alarming? It's frustrating to sit through as a fan but I don't really know why it should impact the medium to long term view. If everyone were healthy and we had a group of solid veterans I'd be concerned, but they're not and we don't. We're currently dressing between 4 and 6 forwards who will be on the roster long term and of all our young D Guhle and Hutson are the only locks to stick around. The crown jewel of the rebuild so far is still in Russia. Montembeault has been good but our backup who doesn't really matter long term has posted an .880.
We suck right now because Dach is struggling with getting back up to speed right now and we don't have the depth to handle Slafkovsky, Laine, and Guhle being out at the same time, and Primeau has been terrible. Savard, Armia, Dvorak, and Anderson who aren't in the long term plans continue to suck and drag the team down. That's unfortunate but those are not permanent problems and replacing some shitty bottom sixers and depth D/adding a backup G isn't going to be difficult once the vet contracts are actually gone. Dach will either figure it out or we'll bring in a vet as a stopgap using the newly available Dvorak money and probably a bit more.
This kind of stuff happens with rebuilding teams all the time, New Jersey squeaked into the playoffs in the Hall MVP season and then had a bad year, a mediocre year, and then two extremely bad years (with the fourth year being the worst) before they jumped to 112 points. Teams of 20-23 year old players can look completely different when they become teams of 22-25 year old players.
Look I would prefer a couple of our young guys take big steps and we finish outside the bottom-10 as well. What I disagree with is the claim that anything outside of clear progress this year is a massive failure.I'd rather the guys we've actually drafted and have on board lead us to win more games, personally. That way it doesn't feel like we're behind the eight-ball. I'd rather pick 11th this year than 5th.
Man, given the teams in our division, I don't see how you guys don't look around and are okay with another lottery pick. It's like you look at Ottawa, Detroit and Buffalo and go 'yes, I want'
There's nothing better for a rebuild than your young guys leading you to wins.