Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[Sasha Orlov]

For all we know literally any player could regress at any point. Matthews could regress from his current goal scoring pace. McDavid regressed from his 60 goal/150pt season. That doesn't mean people should never be excited about things while they're happening because they 'could' regress.

Is that really what you got out of that exchange lol

 

[JT3]

Is that really what you got out of that exchange lol

What exchange? Your one snarky comment that contributed nothing at all to the conversation?

Obviously Slaf is hot right now, I don't think anyone is expecting him to put up over a PPG over the course of the rest of the season. But he's having a legitimate breakout right now and so debating whether we should go long term or bridge when extending him is a conversation worth having. Personally, I lean to the long term deal side as I think Slaf is legit. Maybe if you feel differently you could contribute to the topic and explain why rather than making sassy remarks.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

What exchange? Your one snarky comment that contributed nothing at all to the conversation?

Obviously Slaf is hot right now, I don't think anyone is expecting him to put up over a PPG over the course of the rest of the season. But he's having a legitimate breakout right now and so debating whether we should go long term or bridge when extending him is a conversation worth having. Personally, I lean to the long term deal side as I think Slaf is legit. Maybe if you feel differently you could contribute to the topic and explain why rather than making sassy remarks.

I think he is legit too, but saying he can only get better than his last 20 games of stellar play (in stark contrast to his absolutely putrid play of the past) and couldn’t possibly regress is a bit silly

I think maybe you should also not take this website so seriously

 

[JT3]

I think he is legit too, but saying he can only get better than his last 20 games of stellar play (in stark contrast to his absolutely putrid play of the past) and couldn’t possibly regress is a bit silly

I think maybe you should also not take this website so seriously

Just seemed like a typical troll response towards someone contributing their opinion so I treated it as such. Hard to differentiate sarcasm over a message board.

His numbers will likely regress over the rest of the season from what they've been the last couple weeks, but I think his overall play his the new norm. The possibility of him regressing to his "putrid" play as an 18 year old rookie making big adjustments to his game seems silly though. I don't think anybody expects that to happen.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Just seemed like a typical troll response towards someone contributing their opinion so I treated it as such. Hard to differentiate sarcasm over a message board.

His numbers will likely regress over the rest of the season from what they've been the last couple weeks, but I think his overall play his the new norm. The possibility of him regressing to his "putrid" play as an 18 year old rookie making big adjustments to his game seems silly though. I don't think anybody expects that to happen.

A good rule of thumb is to never take my post seriously, nobody else does lmfao

I don’t think he will go back to being that bad either, but I need more than 20 games to say he’s a PPG player from this point forward and give him a fat contract

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Where would Slaf be if Therrien was coach?

Not drafted by us because we would have a few Cups already

 

[JT3]

A good rule of thumb is to never take my post seriously, nobody else does lmfao

I don’t think he will go back to being that bad either, but I need more than 20 games to say he’s a PPG player from this point forward and give him a fat contract

Fair enough, I'm admittedly not really that familiar with you so didn't apply that logic lol

Depends how the rest of his season goes for me, if he continues this level of play I strongly consider locking him up long term around Nick and Cole's cap, cause I think he can and will be better than both of them. He's also got the 1st ov pedigree and a rising cap on his side, so if he blows up next season you're probably looking at even more than 8x8

 

[V13]

What exchange? Your one snarky comment that contributed nothing at all to the conversation?

Obviously Slaf is hot right now, I don't think anyone is expecting him to put up over a PPG over the course of the rest of the season. But he's having a legitimate breakout right now and so debating whether we should go long term or bridge when extending him is a conversation worth having. Personally, I lean to the long term deal side as I think Slaf is legit. Maybe if you feel differently you could contribute to the topic and explain why rather than making sassy remarks.

I'M all about extending Slaf and too think that he's legit but i still think we should take the cautious approach. I wouldn't extend him this summer but i'd wait until half of next season. If he shows that he can keep his level of play in the first 40 or so games of his D2 season then go ahead and pull the trigger on a non bridge deal. His current level of play is very encouraging but it's still a relatively small sample size

Doing that also mean more cap room this summer if Hughes wants to go after some UFA and absorb some salary via trade. Just have a backup plan to make some room if you plan to extend Slaf around January or February 2025

 

[JT3]

I'M all about extending Slaf and too think that he's legit but i still think we should take the cautious approach. I wouldn't extend him this summer but i'd wait until half of next season. If he shows that he can keep his level of play in the first 40 or so games of his D2 season then go ahead and pull the trigger on a non bridge deal. His current level of play is very encouraging but it's still a relatively small sample size

Doing that also mean more cap room this summer if Hughes wants to go after some UFA and absorb some salary via trade. Just have a backup plan to make some room if you plan to extend Slaf around January or February 2025

I think most likely it'll either be this offseason or the one afterwards and not a mid-season extension. If he were to continue his play through 40 games then the price will be higher than what it would this coming offseason, although if you're okay with that in exchange for the added certainty then fair enough. There's also the possibility of him not wanting the distraction of extension talks mid-season which could be make it a moot point altogether, but who knows.

As to your last point, extending him this offseason wouldn't stop HuGo from going after someone else as the extension wouldn't kick in until the end of 24/25 anyways.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

Why does it matter if Saint Louis is doing the same thing as MT? Before the "hot streak", Slaf was playing less minutes than Anderson and just slightly more than Evans and Dvorak.

Whatever the performance he was doing on the ice, their was a plan for him to teach him how to become a professionnal and working on his game. MT would have a plan for Slaf too but with the production and how he has look at first; I can't believe MT would stick to the plan because he put way more emphasis on today then tomorrow and Slaf would never have the good context to learn what he need to become a effective NHLer. The key it's not how many ice-time he have at first but how they manage him to become a better player and you don't leave in the same world has me if you think MT would do the same job has MSL on that department!

He's shooting 27% on the PP, chill.

Give him a d-man who can make him a pass in PP when he is available and he can drop is shooting percentage to 13,5% and he will score more goals ... I don't know what Matheson can't see but it's the only guys in the NHL in the last 30 maybe 60 days who can't see the #20 create magic with the puck each time he touches it!

 

[Mrb1p]

Whatever the performance he was doing on the ice, their was a plan for him to teach him how to become a professionnal and working on his game. MT would have a plan for Slaf too but with the production and how he has look at first; I can't believe MT would stick to the plan because he put way more emphasis on today then tomorrow and Slaf would never have the good context to learn what he need to become a effective NHLer. The key it's not how many ice-time he have at first but how they manage him to become a better player and you don't leave in the same world has me if you think MT would do the same job has MSL on that department!


Give him a d-man who can make him a pass in PP when he is available and he can drop is shooting percentage to 13,5% and he will score more goals ... I don't know what Matheson can't see but it's the only guys in the NHL in the last 30 maybe 60 days who can't see the #20 create magic with the puck each time he touches it!

Guhle should be playing the PP from now on. At least try it, can't be worse.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

Stop wanted to waiting after Slaf next year before extended him! We already saw enough and remember where we came from : Drouin 5,5 / Anderson 5,5 / Gally 6,5 ; the last 2 can't even play hockey!

For the first time since Carey, we have something everyone dream about it, don't try to pick your moment and sign this guy the fastest you can at the better price you can. If you look at the history of the club recently, the good contracts always come before the full breakout!

Deal before breakout!
Price 6,5 / Pacio 4,5 / Gallagher 3,75 .. we can win with these contract!

Deal after breakout!
Price 10,5 / Pacio 6,75 / Gally 6,5 .. we can't win with these contract!
PS : I can't remember the salary of Pacioretty

Waiting game with Subban
9m / year ... we have lost him because of that negociations ...

I don't know what can happen to make him look bad like Anderson and Gally on his contracts and if we do a ratio versus salary cap at the moment Anderson and Gallagher have signed their contract, Slaf will be very close of the same % even if it's close of 8m! A no-brainer!

Gallagher 7,98% of the salary cap when he sign
Anderson 6,75% of the salary cap when he sign

With a projection of 87,675,000$ for salary cap in 2024-25
6,75% = 5,918,063$
7,98% = 6,996,465$

I gave him the price of Suzuki and Caufield without hesitating! With 3 key guys sign with "fair contract" it will give you an advantage in the long run because team like Toronto or Edmonton only have 2 guys for the same price of these 3! If we manage the others things around her well, we have a great base to build something really good for year to come with a deep lineup!

Sign this guy ASAP, it's the best thing since the slice bread or Carey!

 

[Galchenyuk15]

Guhle should be playing the PP from now on. At least try it, can't be worse.

Yes and No.

Yes, it will be better for us in the long run because Guhle will take experience and I think he can make the job without being an offensive d-man he see the ice very well and have good skills with the puck!

No, because if you do that you give some exposure at Guhle before his contract = more money and you decrease the value of Matheson before trading him, hopefully we will trade him. You loose on 2 fronts with that use.

On-ice perfomance = yes, management = no

 

[417]

These contract extension discussions are way too premature.

Calma

 

[CauZuki]

These contract extension discussions are way too premature.

Calma

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8 x 12.5M , what is there to lose??

 

[Jaaanosik]

8 x 12.5M , what is there to lose??

It's not my money, why stop there, I'd give him 15M.

 

[CHwest]

Its not a hot streak. That would be true if he was a seasoned vet. He is a 19YO.

Its him following his (exponential, parabolic) growth curve.

Easy to say MSL did the same thing as MT and justifying it by the usage and time of ice.

When in reality, they had clear plans and objectives for Slafkovsky for his development and details are starting to emerge.

If anything, aside from TOI and usage, it is the polar opposite than what we have seen with MB/MT/CJ.

Actually, what is in line with the former organisation would have been the classic demotion, like the majority of this sub wanted. It sure did wonder to Caufield and KK as we have seen.

I am leaning the same way (not a hot streak). Most times you can see a hot streak, crazy shooting % or lucky bounces all over the place, the guy is just playing smart, solid hockey. At the beginning of his good play I would argue he had been a little unlucky.

 

[Tyson]

If his upward development trajectory continues 8x8 will be a bargain

 

[Jaaanosik]

If his upward development trajectory continues 8x8 will be a bargain

Right, if he continues to grow then he might get 9M/10M in 2025.

 

[Tabarouette]

If his upward development trajectory continues 8x8 will be a bargain

if it doesn't then we'd still be paying Galchenyuk 8M a year right now after he scored 30 goals

 

[Jaynki]

if it doesn't then we'd still be paying Galchenyuk 8M a year right now after he scored 30 goals

False.

Galchenyuk scored 30 in his D+4, on his bridge contract after his ELC.

In his D+2, he had 31 points. Slaf is at 30 and there is 27 games remaining.

Galchenyuk never displayed the level of skills, athleticism, two-way acuity and overall impact on the game we are seeing right now with Slaf. Not even close. They dont even belong in the same conversation.

 

[Tabarouette]

False.

Galchenyuk scored 30 in his D+4, on his bridge contract after his ELC.

In his D+2, he had 31 points. Slaf is at 30 and there is 27 games remaining.

Galchenyuk never displayed the level of skills, athleticism, two-way acuity and overall impact on the game we are seeing right now. Not even close. They dont even belong in the same conversation.

if the forum would let me do it, and if I didn't have a job, i'd go back and show you how insane the hype was about having finally found our #1 center

 

[Jaynki]

if the forum would let me do it, and if I didn't have a job, i'd go back and show you how insane the hype was about having finally found our #1 center

Totally agree on this one, it was as insane as proclaiming Slaf a bust after 39 games.

 

[Tabarouette]

Totally agree on this one, it was as insane as proclaiming Slaf a bust after 39 games.

we're both pots but there's no kettle here friend

 

[Jaynki]

we're both pots but there's no kettle here friend

Va falloir que tu me traduises ça en français car je suis pas certain de bien comprendre, Tabarouette!