Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[Kudo Shinichi]

If Slaf continues his great play and goes around ppg in the remaining games, and we give him a contract this summer, I can't imagine it would be lower than Caufields. He's going to become a more impactful player than Caufield.

Probably gets the same number as Suzuki and Caufield at 7.8 M

 

[Jaynki]

If Slaf continues his great play and goes around ppg in the remaining games, and we give him a contract this summer, I can't imagine it would be lower than Caufields. He's going to become a more impactful player than Caufield.

He is absolutely getting the Suzuki/CC extension out of his ELC imo and this summer.

That is the trend now and he deserves it. (Unless there is a dramatic pullback in his performance which is doubtful).

Both side should be happy with such a contract imo.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

If Slaf continues his great play and goes around ppg in the remaining games, and we give him a contract this summer, I can't imagine it would be lower than Caufields. He's going to become a more impactful player than Caufield.

Probably gets the same number as Suzuki and Caufield at 7.8 M

If I were him, I'd play the additional year like caufield then sign for a better AAV. Let's just say he goes near PPG the rest of the way then next year hits between 70-80 pts. With the cap going up in the future he could probably net a 9 Mil x 8 year deal

But a fait contract for both sides is 8x8. Shows investment on both sides

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

My man came out firing within the first 15 secs with that hockey sense line.

This was a great breakdown!

If I were him, I'd play the additional year like caufield then sign for a better AAV. Let's just say he goes near PPG the rest of the way then next year hits between 70-80 pts. With the cap going up in the future he could probably net a 9 Mil x 8 year deal

But a fait contract for both sides is 8x8. Shows investment on both sides

I fully expect Slaf to go with same rate as Cc and NS. It’s the standard they’re trying to set. I suspect a lot of our core will ‘buy in’ for the future

 

[red devil]

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If Slaf continues his great play and goes around ppg in the remaining games, and we give him a contract this summer, I can't imagine it would be lower than Caufields. He's going to become a more impactful player than Caufield.

Probably gets the same number as Suzuki and Caufield at 7.8 M

I would lock him up for as long and little as possible.

 

[Kennerback]

If the passing ratio is apparently just right now, it certainly wasn’t when he was setting up Anderson&Evans like if he was playing with CC/Suzuki. Slaf always passes like if he’s playing with top finishers. He can’t be always deferring as a hard and fast rule.

I’m sure Suzuki appreciates being setup non-stop by Slaf recently, but it does no good to Caufield/SuzukI when the goalies were setting up square to them when they knew Slaf was always passing. The reason Suzuki is open now is they know it’s in the realm of possibilities that Slaf might shoot.

 

[Jaynki]

I would lock him up for as long and little as possible.

I understand your point.

Here is my two cents،

Pay your stars their due rather than wanting to save a couple of pennies.

No team has suffered from paying their stars their fair amount. Teams suffer for contract like Gallagher, Anderson, Armia.

I wonder at what point, having Gallagher on a bargain deal contributed to him being overpaid in his next deal and MB crying.

Good businesses is a fair deal for both sides. f***ing the other party is as bad as business can be, even if it seems profitable in the short term.

 

[417]

I understand your point.

Here is my two cents،

Pay your stars their due rather than wanting to save a couple of pennies.

No team has suffered from paying their stars their fair amount. Teams suffer for contract like Gallagher, Anderson, Armia.

I wonder at what point, having Gallagher on a bargain deal contributed to him being overpaid in his next deal and MB crying.

Good businesses is a fair deal for both sides. f***ing the other party is as bad as business can be, even if it seems profitable in the short term.

100% agreed

There seems to be an idea that you have to nickel and dime every single player on your roster and I don't agree with that...you want your stars to make big money as long as they earned it.

The market will dictate what they make, if Slafkovsky's progression continues the way it has, his future contract will fit in with whatever the market says it should.

The nickel and dime approach should be reserved for the players you mentioned, the support players like Gallagher/Anderson/Armia.

If it 2 years from now Slafkovsky is the highest paid Habs forward...that's great news if you ask me.

 

[Tabarouette]

we let you guys loose for 5 min and you're already proposing 8x8M right now

this is why y'all need balance from the negative nancys

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I understand your point.

Here is my two cents،

Pay your stars their due rather than wanting to save a couple of pennies.

No team has suffered from paying their stars their fair amount. Teams suffer for contract like Gallagher, Anderson, Armia.

I wonder at what point, having Gallagher on a bargain deal contributed to him being overpaid in his next deal and MB crying.

Good businesses is a fair deal for both sides. f***ing the other party is as bad as business can be, even if it seems profitable in the short term.

When I say as little as possible, I don’t mean playing hardball. I just mean get the best deal that’s acceptable to both sides.

I’m not suggesting we do to him what MB did with Subban. That was lunacy.

I just think that if you wait until the end of next year he’ll be worth way more. So pay him a little more ahead of time. Get him signed for 8 years.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Here is my two cents،

Pay your stars their due rather than wanting to save a couple of pennies.

No team has suffered from paying their stars their fair amount. Teams suffer for contract like Gallagher, Anderson, Armia.

I wonder at what point, having Gallagher on a bargain deal contributed to him being overpaid in his next deal and MB crying.

Good businesses is a fair deal for both sides. f***ing the other party is as bad as business can be, even if it seems profitable in the short term.

it’s not about screwing the player. If we committed long term at decent money to Slafkovsky this offseason, we’re taking on significant risk. Our reward for taking that risk is the contract potentially being a steal, the reward to Slafkovsky is the guaranteed money long term regardless of what happens. But for the people saying $8 million, we’re going to need more then 20-30 good games before we start talking that kind of money.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I understand your point.

Here is my two cents،

Pay your stars their due rather than wanting to save a couple of pennies.

No team has suffered from paying their stars their fair amount. Teams suffer for contract like Gallagher, Anderson, Armia.

I wonder at what point, having Gallagher on a bargain deal contributed to him being overpaid in his next deal and MB crying.

Good businesses is a fair deal for both sides. f***ing the other party is as bad as business can be, even if it seems profitable in the short term.

Ya that was weird.

But yeah to your general poi t, that's why I think 8 x 8 is fair for both sides when you account for the cap probably going up by a decent amount soon. It's pretty much the same as Suzuki and Caufield so easy to absorb while being a good AAV for any young player. If Hughes wants to, he can argue that he's actually getting more than Suzuki and Caufield when you account for the amount of Ufa years they're eating up on their deals vs him.

If Slaf turns into a normal PPG player with everything else he brings, that would be a really nice contract for many years to come. Way better than PLD, that's for sure

 

[BaseballCoach]

If Hughes wants to, he can argue that he's actually getting more than Suzuki and Caufield when you account for the amount of Ufa years they're eating up on their deals vs him.

How is that? They would all eat up the same number of UFA years (three).

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

How is that? They would all eat up the same number of UFA years (three).

You are correct my bad. If it was 7 years it'd be 2, 8 would be 3. I redact my previous statement lol

 

[Jaynki]

it’s not about screwing the player. If we committed long term at decent money to Slafkovsky this offseason, we’re taking on significant risk. Our reward for taking that risk is the contract potentially being a steal, the reward to Slafkovsky is the guaranteed money long term regardless of what happens. But for the people saying $8 million, we’re going to need more then 20-30 good games before we start talking that kind of money.

There is risk and reward in both scenarios.

We can wait one more year and we may have to pay him 10M+.

Also, when you say we will need more than 20-30 good games. I understand the sample is small but we pay a player for what he will do.(this way we end up with contract like Hughes, Stutzle, Suzuki) Not for what he has done. (This way we end up with contract like Huberdeau, Gallagher).

There is no reason to believe that Slaf will stop progressing at 19YO. Its the opposite actually, he is what he is and should only improve from here. He will reach his ceiling one day, but thats not next week.

I believe the Suzuki/CC extension out of ELC is perfect and would be in line with what management has done.

 

[Jaynki]

Ya that was weird.

But yeah to your general poi t, that's why I think 8 x 8 is fair for both sides when you account for the cap probably going up by a decent amount soon. It's pretty much the same as Suzuki and Caufield so easy to absorb while being a good AAV for any young player. If Hughes wants to, he can argue that he's actually getting more than Suzuki and Caufield when you account for the amount of Ufa years they're eating up on their deals vs him.

If Slaf turns into a normal PPG player with everything else he brings, that would be a really nice contract for many years to come. Way better than PLD, that's for sure

Agree

When I say as little as possible, I don’t mean playing hardball. I just mean get the best deal that’s acceptable to both sides.

I’m not suggesting we do to him what MB did with Subban. That was lunacy.

I just think that if you wait until the end of next year he’ll be worth way more. So pay him a little more ahead of time. Get him signed for 8 years.

Agree. A lot.

we let you guys loose for 5 min and you're already proposing 8x8M right now

this is why y'all need balance from the negative nancys

Looks like an absolute bargain, relative to his play for now what will be close to half of the season.

 

[Jaynki]

Why does it matter if Saint Louis is doing the same thing as MT? Before the "hot streak", Slaf was playing less minutes than Anderson and just slightly more than Evans and Dvorak.

Its not a hot streak. That would be true if he was a seasoned vet. He is a 19YO.

Its him following his (exponential, parabolic) growth curve.

Easy to say MSL did the same thing as MT and justifying it by the usage and time of ice.

When in reality, they had clear plans and objectives for Slafkovsky for his development and details are starting to emerge.

If anything, aside from TOI and usage, it is the polar opposite than what we have seen with MB/MT/CJ.

Actually, what is in line with the former organisation would have been the classic demotion, like the majority of this sub wanted. It sure did wonder to Caufield and KK as we have seen.

 

[Mrb1p]

Its not a hot streak. That would be true if he was a seasoned vet. He is a 19YO.

Its him following his (exponential, parabolic) growth curve.

Easy to say MSL did the same thing as MT and justifying it by the usage and time of ice.

When in reality, they had clear plans and objectives for Slafkovsky for his development and details are starting to emerge.

If anything, aside from TOI and usage, it is the polar opposite than what we have seen with MB/MT/CJ.

Actually, what is in line with the former organisation would have been the classic demotion, like the majority of this sub wanted. It did wonder to Caufield and KK.

He's shooting 27% on the PP, chill.

 

[Jaynki]

He's shooting 27% on the PP, chill.

Sure. That is unsustainable.

I would chill if he had a streak of lucky goals and that was it.

I won't chill with the physical domination, forecheck, backcheck, possession, passing plays, release and pucks controls/soft hands we have witnessed so far this season.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Sure. That is unsustainable.

I would chill if he had a streak of lucky goals and that was it.

I won't chill with the physical domination, forecheck, backcheck, possession, passing plays, release and pucks controls/soft hands we have witnessed so far this season.

It’s a good thing no player has ever regressed before

 

[Jaynki]

It’s a good thing no player has ever regressed before

Sure when they are 34 years old.

 

[LaP]

Where would Slaf be if Therrien was coach?

Under a bus somewhere in between Laval and Montreal.

 

[JT3]

It’s a good thing no player has ever regressed before

For all we know literally any player could regress at any point. Matthews could regress from his current goal scoring pace. McDavid regressed from his 60 goal/150pt season. That doesn't mean people should never be excited about things while they're happening because they 'could' regress.

 

[Redux91]

we let you guys loose for 5 min and you're already proposing 8x8M right now

this is why y'all need balance from the negative nancys