Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

On the PP he moves the puck so quickly, the puck is never long on his stick. That’s creating havoc.

Beast.

He has elite hands. The amount of times you see him protect against others then zip! There’s a pass across the slot for a goal haha

 

[Sorinth]

Cap hit is calculated by dividing the total salary plus signing bonuses of a contract by the contract's length. Performance bonuses are not included in a player's cap hit, but will affect a team's cap and a player's cap hit if the performance bonuses are achieved.

My understanding is that for performance bonuses they count towards this year's cap if there's space but become overages for next years cap if there isn't space this year. However I think the whole saga about using offseason LTIR vs in season LTIR for Price was because by using in season LTIR it would actually cover performance bonuses whereas with offseason LTIR it doesn't.

Anyways since it's interesting to see what Slaf might have as goals here's the standard performance bonuses on an ELC.

Entry Level Performance Bonuses | Puckpedia

Entry Level Contracts are eligible for Performance Bonuses. There are two categories of Performance Bonuses: "A" Level Bonuses "A" Bonuses are worth $212,500 each, to a maximum of $850,000 (maximum 4 achieved). For players signed starting in 2022, "A" bonuses are worth $250,000 each, to a...

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The ones still relevant for Slaf are
Finish top six in ice time for forwards which should be pretty much in the bag
For goals he'll need 8 goals in the final 27 games which certainly seems quite likely
For assists he'll need 17 in the final 27 games which is probably a little harder but still doable
For points and ppg he'll need 30 in the final 27 games which will be quite tough
There's also the +/- one but who knows as that requires not only Slaf to do well while somehow doing better then his linemates and others to start dropping, and at the end of the day getting lots of ice time on a bad team means a bad +/-.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Yeah this has been my rough comparable for a while. Even the rookie year struggles were fairly similar in that you could see the flashes and the tools even though the results were not there and there were a lot of lost puppy moments with technical skill deficiencies.

I don't think Slafkovsky has the same ceiling but the similarities between the two have been pretty uncanny.

IMO, I feel the IQ will go to Slaf. Allen seems scatter brained a bit, hyperactive maybe. But with his turnover ratio, I feel they go hand in hand.

As for Slaf, this kid is developing at a helluva pace with no break in momentum. He’s smart. He processes quicker and quicker and you are seeing less and less mistakes already. Repeated mistakes especially.


Anyways, I like the two sport comparables guys. Just thought I’d share.

 

[Andy]

A couple of times yesterday he was holding the puck behind the goal line with two capitals players on his back and they couldn’t move him, like at all. He isn’t even at peak strength yet.

 

[Sunfyre]

Slaf won’t hit any of his bonuses this year. They are divided into A and B level bonuses, with A level bonuses accounting for $1 mill and B for $2.5 mill

The A level bonuses are each worth $250k and he can hit a maximum of 4, they are:

20 goals
35 assists
60 points
Top four on the team in ice time
Too four on the team in plus minus
all star team
All rookie team

Tbh ta like that. B Level are even worst

Thanks for clarifying it. Like I said, didn’t know the requirements he needs to hit

 

[Sunfyre]

You realize we’re allocating almost 19M$ next year for Gallagher, Anderson, Armia and Allen?

It’s what it is. We all know these guys are washed out and overpaid. That’s why you need entry level contract at entry level cap hit. It’s not going to be a problem then if the performance bonus not going to trigger

 

[Sunfyre]

We will buy out Armia or Allen and we will be fine. (If need be)

Allen unretained for a bag of pucks ( or with a sweetener). Armia probably going to stay until the bitter end unless KH moves him in the offseason. Don’t see a buyout happening

 

[morhilane]

My understanding is that for performance bonuses they count towards this year's cap if there's space but become overages for next years cap if there isn't space this year. However I think the whole saga about using offseason LTIR vs in season LTIR for Price was because by using in season LTIR it would actually cover performance bonuses whereas with offseason LTIR it doesn't.

It's not, they did that because offseason LTIR makes it so your season cap is your total cap hit at season start. They were not going to fill Price's $10.5m with their pre-season roster this year and that would have wasted it, so they went with Dvorak.

To not have the bonus overage on the next season cap, you need to be accruing cap space and they Habs aren't because of LTIR.

 

[BaseballCoach]

My understanding is that for performance bonuses they count towards this year's cap if there's space but become overages for next years cap if there isn't space this year. However I think the whole saga about using offseason LTIR vs in season LTIR for Price was because by using in season LTIR it would actually cover performance bonuses whereas with offseason LTIR it doesn't.

Anyways since it's interesting to see what Slaf might have as goals here's the standard performance bonuses on an ELC.

Entry Level Performance Bonuses | Puckpedia

Entry Level Contracts are eligible for Performance Bonuses. There are two categories of Performance Bonuses: "A" Level Bonuses "A" Bonuses are worth $212,500 each, to a maximum of $850,000 (maximum 4 achieved). For players signed starting in 2022, "A" bonuses are worth $250,000 each, to a...

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The ones still relevant for Slaf are
Finish top six in ice time for forwards which should be pretty much in the bag
For goals he'll need 8 goals in the final 27 games which certainly seems quite likely
For assists he'll need 17 in the final 27 games which is probably a little harder but still doable
For points and ppg he'll need 30 in the final 27 games which will be quite tough
There's also the +/- one but who knows as that requires not only Slaf to do well while somehow doing better then his linemates and others to start dropping, and at the end of the day getting lots of ice time on a bad team means a bad +/-.

Did Guhle hit the ice time bonus for last year ($212,500)?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Allen unretained for a bag of pucks ( or with a sweetener). Armia probably going to stay until the bitter end unless KH moves him in the offseason. Don’t see a buyout happening

Armia might be starting to build a small value. If he can get to 15 goals and 25 points, you never know.

 

[Kennerback]

Slaf has low IQ, hell always have low IQ. It doesnt mean he cant be an awesome player.

I also never said he was busting.

I like pushback in this thread. Slaf is not a perfect player.

But IQ needs to be defined to properly criticize him. A proper criteria could be decision-making. Is he making the right decision in a given game situation?

Here’s a breakdown:
-Breakout IQ: elite
-Defensive IQ: elite, at least on it’s way to elite as he’s 19
-Puck possession IQ: elite

All the criticism I have with his decision-making has been in scoring situations.
- I found he didn’t transfer from a puck-possession mindset to a finishing mindset.
- Not pushing the play to the slot fast enough
- Looking for a perfect pass instead of getting the puck on the net.
- Over-pass
- Under-shot

But this scoring situation decision-making has really improved a lot lately. It seems like he’s adjusting to a very different game than what he was used to. So I suspend judgment on this part of his IQ.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

18 years old : Can't protect the puck with his size strength and booty

19 years old : Wins puck battles with two fully grown men on his back multiple times a game

 

[Sunfyre]

What a ridiculous and idiotic post. Is it your money? We should all be cheering for his success and if he does hit his incentives, good for him.

Sorry I hurt your feelings! Trust me, I am a fan and cheering for him since he was 15 -16. I am Slovak so was watching him improve and grow long before you even knew he existed. Not a lifelong MTL fan but started to follow the team before the 22 draft closely and been invested since. I want him to be a star for MTL and for our national team as well ( God knows we need it) but I don’t need him to hit a certain number to feel good about his future.

 

[Sorinth]

Did Guhle hit the ice time bonus for last year ($212,500)?

Probably but I'm not sure where it can be double checked. We are paying a little over 1m in overages this year because of performance bonuses but I'm not sure where to see the individual breakdown. Presumably Caufield collected a few of his.

 

[Skip Bayless]

18 years old : Can't protect the puck with his size strength and booty

19 years old : Wins puck battles with two fully grown men on his back multiple times a game

20 years old : Is going to win the battle with two fully grown men on his back multiple times a game, and take the puck to the net to create a scoring opportunity for himself.

21 years old : Is going to win the battle with two fully grown men on his back multiple times a game, and take the puck to the net and score from time to time.

22 years old : Is going to win the battle with two fully grown men on his back multiple times a game, and take the puck to the net and score at will for the next 10 years.

That's the plan.

 

[MarkJ]

*will post in more appropriate thread*

 

[red devil]

Slafkovsky in the post game media scrum.


In his own words, Slafkovsky was “pissed.” Particularly about not burying the last of three shots he fired over the final 1:10 of play, while the Canadiens had six players to Washington’s five and were trailing the Capitals 4-3.

“Oh my God,” he said. “Had an empty net at the end, I hit the guy. [Expletive]. I don’t know what to say. Just need to [expletive] shoot next to him.”

 

[KevSkillz4]

I miss the game because of work but damm I see highlights and he is a monster with the puck.

Seriously I would pick him #1 in 2020, 2021 and 2022 draft. Maybe Tim Stutzle is the only player I would be hesitate with both, but I really believe that he will be a more complete player than Stutzle. If we see the games, points isn't the only thing we need to focus on a 19 years old player and Slaf have such a insane tools at 19.

I can't imagine at 22 years old, this guy will be a monster in this league.

 

[Andrei79]

Missed the game yesterday, so watched it this morning and yeah, I can see why people are so hyped up this morning. He looked like a star in the making. He's starting to use his edges and hands more and more. Kind of looks like Kovalev/Jagr the way he handles the puck at times. Obviously not at that level, but man he did everything yesterday: deke, shoot, pass, use his body, play defense, etc. Very exciting player.

 

[Sunfyre]

I will never be able to recover from the emotional trauma your post inflicted upon me. My feelings were definitely hurt, and you've done irreparable damage to me.

Honestly, you're just spouting nonsense. At first, you said we should be cheering for him not to produce so we could save money. With this in bold, you're now just switching up the goalposts. Is it about the money or is it about your own opinion of Slaf?

First of all, Molson and management couldn't care less about paying his bonuses. Secondly, I don't give a shit that you knew about a player from your home country before I did. I would hope that you did if you follow hockey closely.

I just wanted to point out that his progression which I am very exited about might have cap implications for the following season. I am certain that the management need to take stuff like that into account, otherwise they would not do their job. Anyway, hope you can get over this insulting point of view.

 

[Jaynki]

I miss the game because of work but damm I see highlights and he is a monster with the puck.

Seriously I would pick him #1 in 2020, 2021 and 2022 draft. Maybe Tim Stutzle is the only player I would be hesitate with both, but I really believe that he will be a more complete player than Stutzle. If we see the games, points isn't the only thing we need to focus on a 19 years old player and Slaf have such a insane tools at 19.

I can't imagine at 22 years old, this guy will be a monster in this league.

Agree.

So much for a weak draft and not a true 1st ov ;-)

 

[Archijerej]

I'm trying not to get carried away and I wish people would be more cautious with their predictions, but if this kid's head remains in the right place, he's going to be a player. His physical attributes alone should make him a very useful piece in our top 6. Being able to win battles and hold on to the puck longer opens up the ice for Suzuki and Caulfield. If he can establish himself as an offensive threat in his own right (the current stretch is not enough of a proof for me), then we may have a really dangerous line.

Also, I think Roy's going to be an NHL player. The puck seems glued to his stick.

 

[Jaynki]

I'm trying not to get carried away and I wish people would be more cautious with their predictions, but if this kid's head remains in the right place, he's going to be a player. His physical attributes alone should make him a very useful piece in our top 6. Being able to win battles and hold on to the puck longer opens up the ice for Suzuki and Caulfield. If he can establish himself as an offensive threat in his own right (the current stretch is not enough of a proof for me), then we may have a really dangerous line.

Also, I think Roy's going to be an NHL player. The puck seems glued to his stick.

No reason to not get carried away.

1st overall pick, 1% athleticism, 22 points in his last 24 games with some nasty snipes, nasty cross ice passes and impressive dipsy doodle. That's also with great two way play, insane forechecking and 45 hits along the way.

He is a unicorn and a franchise level talent. He will be a winger in the caliber of the prime Kovalchuk, Rick Nash, Hossa.

I will get carried away as far as he brings us. Not sorry to be very excited by the best forward we have had in decades. Agree on Roy.

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

Dont know why there are shenanigans in such a joyful thread lol

If I'm not mistaken bonuses overages are only carried to next season if you cant fit them in this season cap

Anyway we wont be in any sort of cap distress next year so its a non issue

But qualifying someone's else post by ridiculous and idiotic is not the way to go, he may be wrong but still deserves respect, my 2 cents

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[Sunfyre]

That's a fine point to make. I just didn't agree with the way you phrased it in your first post. I should have and could have made my point it in a more polite way. My apologies.

Peace