Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part IV (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yup.

EP+10 OA

I would consider it if it's EP+10th+Horvat.

That's the bare minimum I would accept for 2nd overall.

 

[BB88]

Kakko is team Finland.

Again when Finland needed a goal it was Kakko who showed up shift after shift creating.

 

[pld459666]

For argument's sake, the Debs take Kakko. We're on the clock at #2 and Vancouver comes calling for Hughes. What would it take for you to even consider trading the pick?

My want in that situation would be unreasonable from the Canucks POV

 

[True Blue]

My want in that situation would be unreasonable from the Canucks POV

While there such thing as a Godfather offer, all signs point to Rangers not moving the pick. And they should not. But, again, if Vancouver would be willing to give up an absolute Emperor's ransom (not even a king's), am sure Gorton would listen. But I doubt that Vancouver would be willing to meet the price.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

However, if Hughes is there at 2, I'd glady take a package of Horvat, Boeser and the 10th overall and then have Gorton find a way to trade up to 4 and take Cozens or Dach.

Holy.... thank god you aren’t our GM

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

However, if Hughes is there at 2, I'd glady take a package of Horvat, Boeser and the 10th overall and then have Gorton find a way to trade up to 4 and take Cozens or Dach.

Any GM who trades away Jack Hughes for that package should be fired on the spot

 

[Edge]

Any Godfather offer for the second pick starts with Pettersson and the 10th and goes from there.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The Rangers finally land a top 3 pick and somehow find their way into #2 where two elite game-changing franchise players happen to be waiting and we are talking about trading the pick?

Getting this lucky in the draft just doesn't happen to the Rangers. Some of us are still pinching ourselves and honestly I still have trouble accepting that it's actually a reality. This isnt normal. We are talking decades. Half Centuries. Other than the Cup in 94' it could be argued that this is the best moment for the Rangers since then.

But we'll just let Kakko or Hughes be a star on some on some other team for a bunch of spare parts and a first round pick that isnt as guaranteed. Yeaaaah...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Any Godfather offer for the second pick starts with Pettersson and the 10th and goes from there.

Or a Godfather Part 2: "My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally."

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Any Godfather offer for the second pick starts with Pettersson and the 10th and goes from there.

Pettersson, Boeser, a prospect, the 10th, next year’s #1 (unprotected), plus 2nd round picks both this year and next is about what I’d expect.

 

[LeetchisGod]

The Rangers finally land a top 3 pick and somehow find their way into #2 where two elite game-changing franchise players happen to be waiting and we are talking about trading the pick?

Getting this lucky in the draft just doesn't happen to the Rangers. Some of us are still pinching ourselves and honestly I still have trouble accepting that it's actually a reality. This isnt normal. We are talking decades. Half Centuries. Other than the Cup in 94' it could be argued that this is the best moment for the Rangers since then.

But we'll just let Kakko or Hughes be a star on some on some other team for a bunch of spare parts and a first round pick that isnt as guaranteed. Yeaaaah...

Trading the pick might be the most ridiculous idea that I've seen on here.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Any GM who trades away Jack Hughes for that package should be fired on the spot

And shot.

 

[McRanger]

Any Godfather offer for the second pick starts with Pettersson and the 10th and goes from there.

Pettersson and the 10th... that is a serious offer.

 

[Edge]

Pettersson and the 10th... that is a serious offer.

Indeed. And the truth is, I don't want to move the pick. So the only way I do is if a team makes me an insane offer that I can't refuse.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Pettersson and the 10th... that is a serious offer.

And still not what I would accept

 

[McRanger]

And still not what I would accept

I doubt any GM would, if only to avoid serious embarrassment.

But in terms of value I dont know, I wouldn't be shocked if Petterson alone has a better or at least comparable career to Hughes.

If this were a straight asset swap in an industry that wasn't absurdly public I think the offer would be pretty appealing.

 

[Edge]

I doubt any GM would, if only to avoid serious embarrassment.

But in terms of value I dont know, I wouldn't be shocked if Petterson alone has a better or at least comparable career to Hughes.

If this were a straight asset swap in an industry that wasn't absurdly public I think the offer would be pretty appealing.

When I see Hughes and Kakko, I see two players who have that 90-100 point range in them. I see Pettersson being maybe a notch or so below that - maybe in the 80-90 range.

But I continue to think in our effort to build Kakko up, we're severely underrating Hughes.

Hughes is a dynamic player who has done things that no other teenager has ever done.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

JD just said they’ll see what the Devils do and smile with whoever’s left

No off board picks

 

[Polar Bear]

JD on board with Hughes/Kakko. <3

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I doubt any GM would, if only to avoid serious embarrassment.

But in terms of value I dont know, I wouldn't be shocked if Petterson alone has a better or at least comparable career to Hughes.

If this were a straight asset swap in an industry that wasn't absurdly public I think the offer would be pretty appealing.

The reason for me is also because they want to desperately pair the Hughes Brothers together and market them that way. If you want that, you'll pay for it. More than market value

 

[McRanger]

When I see Hughes and Kakko, I see two players who have that 90-100 point range in them. I see Pettersson being maybe a notch or so below that - maybe in the 80-90 range.

But I continue to think in our effort to build Kakko up, we're severely underrating Hughes.

Hughes is a dynamic player who has done things that no other teenager has ever done.

I'm not underrating Hughes, Hughes is ridiculous.

I've just seen enough of these young stud NHL players vs yet-to-be-drafted-super-prospects arguments to know its not always that simple.

I mean what would the conversation have gone like at the 2008 draft if Washington offered Tampa Backstrom to draft Stamkos? Or if Chicago offered Pat Kane in 2009 to draft Tavares or if Colorado offered MacKinnon to Toronto in 2016 to draft Matthews?

Does "<Current NHL player>" may be a star player who gets maybe 80-90 points but <prospect> is a potential superstar more in the 90-100 point range" sound like it might be an argument that might have been made? Has it really worked out like that?

Plus you're talking about the 10th pick which could land you a player like Zegras.

I get that these scenarios are PR nightmares... but is the value really not there? I'm not sure.

 

[RangerBoy]

Gorton was interviewed by Bill Pidto. Gorton went to Slovakia to see Hughes, Kakko and a few other players. He went to Sweden for the U18. Flew back to the US. Flew to California for the team meetings. Flew to Slovakia for the EC. Flew back to NY. They are going to Buffalo for the scouting combine next week. The draft is 4 weeks from this Friday.

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

Gorton was interviewed by Bill Pidto. Gorton went to Slovakia to see Hughes, Kakko and a few other players. He went to Sweden for the U18. Flew back to the US. Flew to California for the team meetings. Flew to Slovakia for the EC. Flew back to NY. They are going to Buffalo for the scouting combine next week. The draft is 4 weeks from this Friday.

I cant imagine what his sleep schedule must be like after all that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gorton was interviewed by Bill Pidto. Gorton went to Slovakia to see Hughes, Kakko and a few other players. He went to Sweden for the U18. Flew back to the US. Flew to California for the team meetings. Flew to Slovakia for the EC. Flew back to NY. They are going to Buffalo for the scouting combine next week. The draft is 4 weeks from this Friday.

Who are the other players he was looking at for the worlds?

Is seider the only other draft eligible?