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Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part IV (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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chosen said:
According to one website, before the tournament, 5 or so teams would take Kakko at #1. The guess now, is that a little less than half of the GMs would select him.
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Would need some actual sources that are better than “one website”

I’d trust McKenzie over “one website”
 
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Levitate said:
Would need some actual sources that are better than “one website”

I’d trust McKenzie over “one website”
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He's talking about Cam Robinson's post on DobberProspects. He's not McKenzie but he's not a nobody either and what he says doesn't necessarily conflict with McKenzie. Wish he'd clarify what "good authority" meant though.

Ramblings: B’s Take Commanding Lead, Kakko Gunning for Top Spot, Nylander, Couture, & Rask (May 15) | DobberHockey – Fantasy NHL Projections and Analysis
 
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Levitate said:
Would need some actual sources that are better than “one website”

I’d trust McKenzie over “one website”
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McKenzie said Matthews would go third if Eichel mcdavid and Auston were in the same draft.

Clearly the man knows nothing.
 
Here's the deal in my view my Ranger brothers who are worried that the Debbies are going to throw a curveball and take Kakko. Jersey for most part has no choice but to draft Hughes.

Taylor Hall is in his walk year, and they need Hughes to have a chance of keeping him. Also, Hughes' brother, Quinn, who's in Vancouver obviously, would love to play with his brother and vice versa, and so Vancouver has tried very hard to unite them from what I've read.

Now on the off chance that we ended up getting Jack which obviously wouldn't be the worst thing in the world despite some emotional investment alot of us myself included have put into getting Kakko, who knows but maybe the 'Nucks just throw in the cards and deal Quinn to the Rangers in a deal.

So my friends, it's pretty much a situation Shero and the Debs can't possibly live with. Now if Vancouver had the #2, a deal could and likely would have been cut to flip flop them so long as they deal him to a Western Conference team as there wouldn't be any severe consequences. But to the Rangers...not a chance in hell.

We're getting Kakko no matter the laugh out loud funny hyperbole coming from the Devils camp. What is really really enjoyable is reading some of the comments on the Devils board as they are so pissed and ticked off that no matter how this shakes out, it is their hated enemy...us...the NY f'n Rangers who are going to benefit bigtime and it's making them paranoid as all hell. It could have been any other team but it just had to be the Rangers who are going to haunt them for a decade or more as to how these two players end up turning out. That paranoia in Devils Nation gives me great joy....lol....:nod::naughty:
 
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Maximus said:
Here's the deal in my view my Ranger brothers who are worried that the Debbies are going to throw a curveball and take Kakko. Jersey for most part has no choice but to draft Hughes.

Taylor Hall is in his walk year, and they need Hughes to have a chance of keeping him. Also, Hughes' brother, Quinn, who's in Vancouver obviously, would love to play with his brother and vice versa, and so Vancouver has tried very hard to unite them from what I've read.

Now on the off chance that we ended up getting Jack which obviously wouldn't be the worst thing in the world despite some emotional investment alot of us myself included have put into getting Kakko, who knows but maybe the 'Nucks just throw in the cards and deal Quinn to the Rangers in a deal.

So my friends, it's pretty much a situation Shero and the Debs can't possibly live with. Now if Vancouver had the #2, a deal could and likely would have been cut to flip flop them so long as they deal him to a Western Conference team as there wouldn't be any severe consequences. But to the Rangers...not a chance in hell.

We're getting Kakko no matter the laugh out loud funny hyperbole coming from the Devils camp. What is really really enjoyable is reading some of the comments on the Devils board as they are so pissed and ticked off that no matter how this shakes out, it is their hated enemy...us...the NY f'n Rangers who are going to benefit bigtime and it's making them paranoid as all hell. It could have been any other team but it just had to be the Rangers who are going to haunt them for a decade or more as to how these two players end up turning out. That paranoia in Devils Nation gives me great joy....lol....:nod::naughty:
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This is brilliant. 100% accurate. Kappo will play with a big time chip on his shoulder to prove to everyone he deserved #1. Especially when he plays the Devs and outmuscles Jack Hughes for years.
 
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Special NHL Prospect/Elite NHL Player

  1. Jack Hughes, C, USNTDP-USHL
May 14, 2001 | 5-foot-10 | 168 pounds
Skating: 70
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 40
Hockey Sense: 65
Jack Hughes is one of the best USA prospects to be a first-year, draft-eligible prospect and could be the first USNTDP player to make the direct jump to the NHL. What makes Hughes a top prospect isn’t his skill level, but his pace. He’s a unique skater who is so tough when he gets going with speed. Defenses can see it coming, and they still can’t stop it. His speed is dangerous but particularly his edge work is special. He spins off pressure so well and can create space for himself like few others with his cutbacks. He’s got a high skill level and fantastic vision with the puck, and at a standstill, he can make highly skilled plays. But what makes Hughes stand out from your typical playmaker is how he makes those plays at a million miles an hour. He’ll put pucks through legs while skating full speed and hit a target across the ice. He has a small, slight frame, and plays hard, which can lead to him getting knocked around a bit. His compete level is high, though. When he loses a puck, he wants the puck as bad as anyone on the ice, and he attacks the net without fear. He has the potential to be a star, play-driving, No. 1 center.
USNTDP U18 coach John Wroblewski on Hughes: “The electricity when he hits the ice, it’s undeniable. It’s controlled chaos. He is top speed, flying around the sheet. Only he and a couple other guys know what’s happening.”
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  1. Kaapo Kakko, LW, TPS-Liiga
Feb. 13, 2001 | 6-foot-2 | 190 pounds
Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 60
Hockey Sense: 65
Kakko had a fantastic season in Finland, playing significant minutes in the country’s top league and showing flashes of dominance versus men in Liiga and at the World Championships. Kakko has a ton of skill in his game. He’s got the high-end hands to make plays through defenders and the cute dangles that will make highlight reels. Kakko can make the real tough passes and makes a lot of great decisions, but his creativity is what impressed me most. He improvises very well, with the high offensive IQ to know how to create offense versus men. Kakko has good size, and he’s not afraid to lean on guys. He’s not a crash and bang type, but he protects pucks very well, he takes pucks hard to the net and he already showed that he can power his way past pro defensemen as a 17-year-old. His speed is just average for me. He’s not slow, but his skating is not the selling point of his game. Despite average speed, he gets inside to the net so well because of how fearless and strong he is. Kakko could be an impact forward in the NHL, whether at the wing and possibly even at center, and should transition quickly into that role.
TPS manager Antero Niittymaki on Kakko: “His stick handling and overall skill level is one of the best I’ve ever seen at his age. We put him on the top line early in the year, and even though he was this young, skinny guy, you could see right away he’s strong with the puck in the corners. He’s really balanced on his skates. It’s tough to knock him off the puck. Since the world juniors, he was dominant in regards to (his physical play). He can hang onto the puck as long as he wants. He’s NHL ready.”
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3-Turcotte
4-Byram
5-Caufield
6-Zegras
7-Cozens
8-Boldy
9-Broberg
10-Dach
11-Newhook
12-Podkolzin

 
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TheJackAttack said:
McKenzie said Matthews would go third if Eichel mcdavid and Auston were in the same draft.

Clearly the man knows nothing.
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It was not a crazy thought at the time actually. Matthews missed the 2015 draft by a few days. And in 2015 he probably was behind McDavid and Eichel if he was eligible
 
For argument's sake, the Debs take Kakko. We're on the clock at #2 and Vancouver comes calling for Hughes. What would it take for you to even consider trading the pick?
 
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basically we are taking hughes
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Mugless said:
For argument's sake, the Debs take Kakko. We're on the clock at #2 and Vancouver comes calling for Hughes. What would it take for you to even consider trading the pick?
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There’s a thread on this topic that likely got shut down a few weeks ago.
 
Mugless said:
For argument's sake, the Debs take Kakko. We're on the clock at #2 and Vancouver comes calling for Hughes. What would it take for you to even consider trading the pick?
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It would have to be a king’s ransom to the point where the Canucks have to accept “losing” the trade.
 
Maximus said:
Here's the deal in my view my Ranger brothers who are worried that the Debbies are going to throw a curveball and take Kakko. Jersey for most part has no choice but to draft Hughes.

Taylor Hall is in his walk year, and they need Hughes to have a chance of keeping him. Also, Hughes' brother, Quinn, who's in Vancouver obviously, would love to play with his brother and vice versa, and so Vancouver has tried very hard to unite them from what I've read.

Now on the off chance that we ended up getting Jack which obviously wouldn't be the worst thing in the world despite some emotional investment alot of us myself included have put into getting Kakko, who knows but maybe the 'Nucks just throw in the cards and deal Quinn to the Rangers in a deal.

So my friends, it's pretty much a situation Shero and the Debs can't possibly live with. Now if Vancouver had the #2, a deal could and likely would have been cut to flip flop them so long as they deal him to a Western Conference team as there wouldn't be any severe consequences. But to the Rangers...not a chance in hell.

We're getting Kakko no matter the laugh out loud funny hyperbole coming from the Devils camp. What is really really enjoyable is reading some of the comments on the Devils board as they are so pissed and ticked off that no matter how this shakes out, it is their hated enemy...us...the NY f'n Rangers who are going to benefit bigtime and it's making them paranoid as all hell. It could have been any other team but it just had to be the Rangers who are going to haunt them for a decade or more as to how these two players end up turning out. That paranoia in Devils Nation gives me great joy....lol....:nod::naughty:
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Everything in your post I liked, but I don't see any way Nucks are trading Quinn. He's about as untouchable as can be in that franchise.
 
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Mugless said:
For argument's sake, the Debs take Kakko. We're on the clock at #2 and Vancouver comes calling for Hughes. What would it take for you to even consider trading the pick?
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Petterson + Quinn + 1st.

Yea..I went there.

(AKA the pick is untouchable)
 
Unless he is Oveckin like, always take the center. Strength down the middle wins. Few wings are Ovechkin like.
 
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