Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part II (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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And still, on draft day, it was not a bad pick
Nooooooo. That pick was reviled. I am nowhere near Edge, but I remember pounding the table for Getzlaf as the comparison was a young Bobby Holik. That was the one draft where the board was not centered on who should be, but everyone knew who it shouldn't be.

This is not done with benefit of hindsight. Jessiman was widely thought to be a mistake (mildly putting it) of a pick.
 
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Like I said. The rational side of me knows we are taking Kakko. But 25 years of being a Rangers fan does make me a bit gun shy.
Brother, as a Ranger fan who is 48 years old there is an utterly irrational side of me that wants to convince me that when we hear that Spencer Knight is the proud choice of the Rangers, I should not be surprised.
 
Nooooooo. That pick was reviled. I am nowhere near Edge, but I remember pounding the table for Getzlaf as the comparison was a young Bobby Holik. That was the one draft where the board was not centered on who should be, but everyone knew who it shouldn't be.

This is not done with benefit of hindsight. Jessiman was widely thought to be a mistake (mildly putting it) of a pick.

He was a great prospect at the time, and his injury ruined his development. Jessiman wasn't really as off the board as people make it out to be. And sure, Getzlaf was a popular prospect in 2003 and it worked out well for him so he's mentioned regularly as "the one we missed" but I vividly remember people going crazy because we passed on Jordan Schroeder and Jacob Josefson in 2o09 and picked Chris Kreider instead. Yet, nobody ever brings that up again
 
They are on record as saying they won't select a goalie in the first round.
I used to play Risk a lot when I was a kid. And when I controlled the middle east, I promised my friend that if he moved his armies to the North American border that i would not attack South America.........like all world powers I lied and bombed him for world domination.
 
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He was a great prospect at the time, and his injury ruined his development. Jessiman wasn't really as off the board as people make it out to be. And sure, Getzlaf was a popular prospect in 2003 and it worked out well for him so he's mentioned regularly as "the one we missed" but I vividly remember people going crazy because we passed on Jordan Schroeder and Jacob Josefson in 2o09 and picked Chris Kreider instead. Yet, nobody ever brings that up again
Sorry, AK. Picking Jessiman was nothing like griping about who should have been picked with the Kreider pick. Like I said, for the very few times this board was universally aligned about who definitely should NOT have been the choice.
 
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A lot of people complain about Jessiman and McIlrath, which is understandable, but the angriest I ever got at a Rangers 1st rounder was when I watched on TV and kept saying to myself, anyone but a goaltender and they selected Montoya. Their later selections turned out great, but after they selected Montoya, I yelled.

To make it worse, the analysts immediately said something like Montoya is an odd selection, here.
It was the post-Richter, living off backups era, we were starved for our all star starter which the Rangers org., good or bad, always seemed to have. Goalies were not seen as such a crap shoot as of yet to draft either. Montoya, the all American boy, had just had spike in play during the WJC's, which the Rangers brass viewed through rose-colored confirmation-bias glasses as 'gets it done in big moments' type of thing instead of 'generally he's ok and just had a statistical anomaly for 2 weeks'.

Of course the first rounder goalie ends up busting, and the millionth rounder becomes HOFer. Which is why they will NOT be picking a goalie in round 1 ever again.
 
Forseberg was a playmaker mostly, Kakko is more of a goalscorer.

Well just last year Kakko was playmaker and certainly wasn't considered as one of the better goal scorers. So maybe the tables turn yet again come another year?

He's not a pure sniper. It may seem so because he had to do much of the scoring by himself (cause the rest of the team was so s**t), but believe me, once he gets players closer to his level around him Kakko will be getting assists much more than he scores goals.
 
Nooooooo. That pick was reviled. I am nowhere near Edge, but I remember pounding the table for Getzlaf as the comparison was a young Bobby Holik. That was the one draft where the board was not centered on who should be, but everyone knew who it shouldn't be.

This is not done with benefit of hindsight. Jessiman was widely thought to be a mistake (mildly putting it) of a pick.

Falardeau instead of Stoll in 2002, and Jessiman instead of Getzlaf in 2003 had me ready to pull my hair out.

The only thing that would've taken my frustration to a new level would've been if they passed on Ladd in 2004.
 
Falardeau instead of Stoll in 2002, and Jessiman instead of Getzlaf in 2003 had me ready to pull my hair out.

The only thing that would've taken my frustration to a new level would've been if they passed on Ladd in 2004.
Looking back to 2004, trading up for Ladd might have been the only reasonable play that would have actually worked out. What a brutal draft.
 
Looking back to 2004, trading up for Ladd might have been the only reasonable play that would have actually worked out. What a brutal draft.

Sometimes it's the moves you don't make that work out best.

Other times, it's best to come away with one talent you really like than several talents you sorta like.
 
I don't blame you. I've seen Datsyuk comparisons for Podkolzin. But I would be surprised if they took him over a guy who is ready to step in now...and is considered to be a potential franchise player in his own right.
They better not pull such a stunt. If they really want Podkolzin trade up and get him. I doubt he will go in the top 5/6. Trade a Buch and Kreider if necessary along w the Winnipeg if you like him that much. Hands off Kaapo
 
Barring an injury at their upcoming tournaments, New Jersey are taking Jack Hughes and we are taking Kakko. No need to concern ourselves with having that conversation.
 
They better not pull such a stunt. If they really want Podkolzin trade up and get him. I doubt he will go in the top 5/6. Trade a Buch and Kreider if necessary along w the Winnipeg if you like him that much. Hands off Kaapo

Unless Bobrov has insane pull (he may) and a massive KHL fetish (he doesn't) there is nothing to worry about. Kakko is ready to step in right away. He'll have at least 2 years of NHL experience under his belt before Podkolzin plays a game in this league. No matter how you slice it, thats like an impossible sell for the fan base even if Podkolzin were as good.One of our Euro scouts has strong ties to TPS, Kakko played at a PPG pace after the WJC's.

The only way the Rangers don't get him is if the Devils take him first.
 
Unless Bobrov has insane pull (he may) and a massive KHL fetish (he doesn't) there is nothing to worry about. Kakko is ready to step in right away. He'll have at least 2 years of NHL experience under his belt before Podkolzin plays a game in this league. No matter how you slice it, thats like an impossible sell for the fan base even if Podkolzin were as good.One of our Euro scouts has strong ties to TPS, Kakko played at a PPG pace after the WJC's.

The only way the Rangers don't get him is if the Devils take him first.

The Rangers-TPS connection is strong. Not just the scout who played for them, but also having drafted a player from TPS for the last 3 years (Reunanen in 2016, Virta in 2017 and Pajuniemi in 2018) plus scouting Georgiev while he was with TPS.

It's an interesting development. Or coincidence, depending how you look at it
 
The Rangers-TPS connection is strong. Not just the scout who played for them, but also having drafted a player from TPS for the last 3 years (Reunanen in 2016, Virta in 2017 and Pajuniemi in 2018) plus scouting Georgiev while he was with TPS.

It's an interesting development. Or coincidence, depending how you look at it

The scout has been with the Rangers since 2016.
 
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