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Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part I (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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jas said:
I think you’re more likely to see the Rangers sign a placeholder like Brassard than Chytil be the 2C next year.
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I saw his name thrown around but Brassard is not nearly the same player we remember from his days with the Rangers. I’d stay away. We already have Strome who should be a temporary 2C until Chytil / Howden / Andersson are ready to take over.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
True, but I'd make the assumption that another top 10 pick is someone you'd count on to step in right away or 20-21 at the latest.

Off topic, but another top 10 pick and we can start discussing the merits of signing free agents.
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Sure, but they wouldn’t be stepping into the top 6 right away, and having too many good players at a certain position isn’t exactly a problem. And another top 10 pick and we don’t need any free agents IMO
 
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EdJovanovski said:
What would your rankings of Kravtsov on those same attributes be? And on shot velocity, I was concerned than Kravtsov’s shot didn’t look very powerful, very quick release but not much velocity. Kakko’s shot looks stronger to me than Kravtsov’s

And I agree on the skating it might be because he’s playing with grown men, if you watch him amongst his peers he blows by guys. And he is insanely agile for a bigger player
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kovazub94 said:
I saw his name thrown around but Brassard is not nearly the same player we remember from his days with the Rangers. I’d stay away. We already have Strome who should be a temporary 2C until Chytil / Howden / Andersson are ready to take over.
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A couple of points -

1) I firmly believe Andersson is not long for this team. People can call it giving up, but frankly, the landscape is a lot different than it was even four days ago. The Rangers have an incredibly unique situation before them, and are going to try their best to maximize the opportunities. Players a lot of like have already been moved and are likely to be continue to be moved. I’ve come to that realization.

2) I think bringing Brassard on short term deal adds a veteran voice who can play in NY at short term cost.

3) Howden is more or less the 3C moving forward. The point of this rebuild in contrast to prior ones is getting as much high end talent as they can. Considering the what the center position looks in both the division and conference, I do not believe the Rangers are willing to settle for a 1-2 center punch of Zibanejad/Howden. If they believe that Zegras is Barzal or Dach is Schiefele, then by all means they should be maximizing their assets to go get one of those players.
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
Sure, but they wouldn’t be stepping into the top 6 right away, and having too many good players at a certain position isn’t exactly a problem. And another top 10 pick and we don’t need any free agents IMO
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That’s what I’m hoping for...give me another top ten pick this year to go with Kakko, and then one more top 7 finish next year, then I’m ready to get going in 2002-2021, and the rebuild is over as far as I’m concerned.
 
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jas said:
That’s what I’m hoping for...give me another top ten pick this year to go with Kakko, and then one more top 7 finish next year, then I’m ready to get going in 2002-2021, and the rebuild is over as far as I’m concerned.
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I’m with you, I keep coming back the real pivot point for this team being when those 3 d + Hank’s contracts come off the books, I think that’s when they’ll be able to reasonably ask these kids to start taking control of the team
 
jas said:
That’s what I’m hoping for...give me another top ten pick this year to go with Kakko, and then one more top 7 finish next year, then I’m ready to get going in 2002-2021, and the rebuild is over as far as I’m concerned.
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One quibble, I think the stockpiling would be over, the rebuilding is going to go on as these guys develop, through and past their entry level contracts.
 
jas said:
A couple of points -

1) I firmly believe Andersson is not long for this team. People can call it giving up, but frankly, the landscape is a lot different than it was even four days ago. The Rangers have an incredibly unique situation before them, and are going to try their best to maximize the opportunities. Players a lot of like have already been moved and are likely to be continue to be moved. I’ve come to that realization.

2) I think bringing Brassard on short term deal adds a veteran voice who can play in NY at short term cost.

3) Howden is more or less the 3C moving forward. The point of this rebuild in contrast to prior ones is getting as much high end talent as they can. Considering the what the center position looks in both the division and conference, I do not believe the Rangers are willing to settle for a 1-2 center punch of Zibanejad/Howden. If they believe that Zegras is Barzal or Dach is Schiefele, then by all means they should be maximizing their assets to go get one of those players.
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1) It's definitely is a possibility and probably more likely than it was at the start of the season. The sign of a well-managed team is not only ability to make good draft picks, but also know when to move players to take advantage of their draft-position based perception (see Druin). I just think that they are not there yet to make this move.

2) I think at this point that's the only thing Brassard would bring to the table and it's not that much of a requirement based on who's already here both in terms of vet players and the coaching staff. As I said I will take Strome's two-way game in 2C spot over whatever's left in Brassard's game.

3)Maybe you misunderstood why I listed all three rookies. I completely agree that the Rangers won't "settled" on 2C spot, I'm just allowing for a possibility, even a remote one, where Howden eventually develops into a full-fledged 2C. I could've just stopped with Chytil.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
I’m with you, I keep coming back the real pivot point for this team being when those 3 d + Hank’s contracts come off the books, I think that’s when they’ll be able to reasonably ask these kids to start taking control of the team
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Exactly. It’s why I’m so against signing Panarin. I really believe Gorton is playing the long game. To me, speeding up the rebuild is not signing a Panarin or Karlsson, it’s getting as many young high end pieces closer to being able to contribute than having them marinate for a couple of years. Kakko and Kravtsov can start their clocks next season. You probably add Zegras/Dach, Miller and next year’s #1 (if the Rangers finish top 7 next year) the following season. That’s speeding up the rebuild.
 
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jas said:
Exactly. It’s why I’m so against signing Panarin. I really believe Gorton is playing the long game. To me, speeding up the rebuild is not signing a Panarin or Karlsson, it’s getting as many young high end pieces closer to being able to contribute than having them marinate for a couple of years. Kakko and Kravtsov can start their clocks next season. You probably add Zegras/Dach, Miller and next year’s #1 (if the Rangers finish top 7 next year) the following season. That’s speeding up the rebuild.
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That’s how I feel too. 2 high end pieces in one draft (on draft day, not the gamble of 3rd rounders becoming one down the line) will do a lot more for the long term health of the team than signing a huge contract for a guy who might have 3 great seasons and deminishing returns after that
 
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kovazub94 said:
Very well. My only quibble is with Chytil overall score being too low. He should be just over 8 in this chart. We talked about it before - I think Chytil is a lot closer to Kravtsov than what you give him credit for. I'm probably add a couple of points to him for passing and another point for hands.
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That's fine. We can disagree on the ratings. I don't think it's far off though. I do not see a way Chytil scores an average higher than 8 though
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Analyzing the Games Of Hughes and Kakko - MSGNetworks.com

“His one-timer from the right circle at this stage of his development is equal to that of Alex Ovechkin’s or Patrik Laine’s during their respective draft years.”


@Lays
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That’s a ridiculous statement then because Kakko’s shot isn’t close to Laine’s in their draft year. Again I’ve seen Kakko play countless times and as much I love him, it’s not an elite shot. You seem to act like me saying he just has a good shot is a bad thing. It’ll improve but right now it’s just good, nothing close to special. Anyone else who’s actually watched him would agree. Laine’s shot was powerful and had velocity to it whereas Kakko’s shots are calculated. Saying this again but his incredible shot placement and his ability to score around the net are what makes him a great goal scorer.

MSG networks also called both Kakko and Hughes generational
 
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