Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part I (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[monkaS]

I've only watched Kakko's highlights, but one thing that really stuck out to me. There almost no breakaway or odd man rush goals. Can someone who has seen him play explain this? I know he's a beast around the net and on the boards, has great agility and ridiculous puck handling but almost all his offense comes in the hockey equivalent of the half-court offense.

he's had a couple he couldn't convert on, but mainly the reason why that has not happened is this: TPS had insane trouble breaking out of their own zone and through neutral zone. Their D and the system (or the lack of) they had was shit from top to bottom and couldn't give an outlet pass or a breakout pass just about ever. it was quite painful to watch.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

good write up...i agree Lianes shot is definitely better than Kakko’s but for a poster to say his shot is one of his weaker points just floored me. Now i havent scouted many players yet outside the top 15 yet but i’m not seeing players with a better shot than him, including Hughes (who is more pass first while Kakko is shoot first)

Let's say we rate Kakko between 1 and 10. I would rank it like this:

Physicality: 9
Shooting: 7
Hockey IQ: 10
Hands: 10
Skating: 8
Passing: 9

Shooting is one of his "weaker" points but it doesn't mean he's bad at it. I would go a bit further into that shooting ability, and rank it like this:

Shooting accuracy: 9
Shooting velocity: 6

 

[EdJovanovski]

Let's say we rate Kakko between 1 and 10. I would rank it like this:

Physicality: 9
Shooting: 7
Hockey IQ: 10
Hands: 10
Skating: 8
Passing: 9

Shooting is one of his "weaker" points but it doesn't mean he's bad at it. I would go a bit further into that shooting ability, and rank it like this:

Shooting accuracy: 9
Shooting velocity: 6

What would your rankings of Kravtsov on those same attributes be? And on shot velocity, I was concerned than Kravtsov’s shot didn’t look very powerful, very quick release but not much velocity. Kakko’s shot looks stronger to me than Kravtsov’s

And I agree on the skating it might be because he’s playing with grown men, if you watch him amongst his peers he blows by guys. And he is insanely agile for a bigger player

 

[Toews2Bickell]

 

[Bluenote13]

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70 days until the draft.....

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

We can throw in a year of EZ pass and Path tickets for the Devils players. Maybe the rights to date one of the Rangers’ players sisters (assuming she’s hot). Running out of ideas otherwise.

Quick trade for Stepan

 

[Ghost of jas]

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I’m convinced.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Chytil.

If Chytil ends up being the center how would you think we deal with the RW logjam? Does one of Kakko, Kravtsov or Buch go to LW? I see both Kakko & Kravtsov as 1st liners & Buch as a strong 2nd. So I’d fill this in with one of them being a LW, and then we either sign Panarin or draft Caufield for the other

_____ - Zibanejad - _____
_____ - Chytil - ______

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

It appears the organization believes he’s better off on the wing.

Pretty sure Gorton was quoted saying he likes Chytil at center

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Let's say we rate Kakko between 1 and 10. I would rank it like this:

Physicality: 9
Shooting: 7
Hockey IQ: 10
Hands: 10
Skating: 8
Passing: 9

Shooting is one of his "weaker" points but it doesn't mean he's bad at it. I would go a bit further into that shooting ability, and rank it like this:

Shooting accuracy: 9
Shooting velocity: 6

How would you redo the ratings based on just players in the draft? (Not vs men)

9-10 being the best shooters/skaters in the draft, 1 being the worst.

 

[RGY]

Quick trade for Stepan

Lemieux’s sister...

 

[Ghost of jas]

Pretty sure Gorton was quoted saying he likes Chytil at center

They wouldn’t be pursuing a deal for one of the centers in n the top ten if they did. And in his interview with Sam and Joe towards the end of the season, he said it was yet to be determined.

 

[RGY]

If Chytil ends up being the center how would you think we deal with the RW logjam? Does one of Kakko, Kravtsov or Buch go to LW? I see both Kakko & Kravtsov as 1st liners & Buch as a strong 2nd. So I’d fill this in with one of them being a LW, and then we either sign Panarin or draft Caufield for the other

_____ - Zibanejad - _____
_____ - Chytil - ______

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Buch
Strome-Lias-Fast
Boo

Vesey and Nams traded at the draft.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

They wouldn’t be pursuing a deal for one of the centers in n the top ten if they did. And in his interview with Sam and Joe towards the end of the season, he said it was yet to be determined.

Sure they would, it opens up way more options then what’s already here, especially if they’re gonna stay the course for the next few seasons

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Buch
Strome-Lias-Fast
Boo

Vesey and Nams traded at the draft.

Buch is a second liner

 

[Ghost of jas]

Sure they would, it opens up way more options then what’s already here, especially if they’re gonna stay the course for the next few seasons

I think you’re more likely to see the Rangers sign a placeholder like Brassard than Chytil be the 2C next year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Didn't Gorton have Svechnikov as the top forward last year with Kratsov after him at 2 or 3? Its not like Gorton has absurd rankings. He had Petterson #1. He wanted Keller. Its blown out of proportion when all Gorton is guilty of is taking Anderson over Mittlestadt and Kratsov over Wahlstrom. You will shave years off your life if you overthink this.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. The thing about the Rangers is when they do their lists, the guys rated as the top guys are always at the top of the Ranger's lists too. It's when they get passed the consensus guys that they start to deviate a bit.

 

[RGY]

Buch is a second liner

Not in that lineup he isnt. And that is a good problem to have.

Howden will get better imo. He will be a good center to play with. Lemieux-Howden are guys that work hard to get pucks, which would open space for Buch.

 

[kovazub94]

It appears the organization believes he’s better off on the wing.

I don’t think this decision has been made yet. You recall there quite a few references to Chytil doing better in some games after TDL where he was put at center.

 

[Kovalev27]

They wouldn’t be pursuing a deal for one of the centers in n the top ten if they did. And in his interview with Sam and Joe towards the end of the season, he said it was yet to be determined.

Wait where did they say they were pursing a center in the top 10 outside of taking Kakko? We don’t actually know that.

And where did he say Chytil was a wing? Quinn doesn’t think that. Neither does Gorton

The kid is a center plays his best hockey at center I dont get why you want him on the wing or more so why you think management wants him in the wing

 

[Kocur Dill]

Comparing Kakko to either Laine or Ovechkin makes no sense to me anyway. It's a bad comparison

Shanahan?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I think you’re more likely to see the Rangers sign a placeholder like Brassard than Chytil be the 2C next year.

I’m not saying he’ll be a full time C next year, he’ll definitely get his chance to do it though. But I also don’t think going after another top 10 pick necessarily has anything to do with what’s going on with the roster right now

 

[kovazub94]

If Chytil ends up being the center how would you think we deal with the RW logjam? Does one of Kakko, Kravtsov or Buch go to LW? I see both Kakko & Kravtsov as 1st liners & Buch as a strong 2nd. So I’d fill this in with one of them being a LW, and then we either sign Panarin or draft Caufield for the other

_____ - Zibanejad - _____
_____ - Chytil - ______

This is what I’m thinking too. We should should 1a and 1b lines where combination is determined by chemistry

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m not saying he’ll be a full time C next year, he’ll definitely get his chance to do it though. But I also don’t think going after another top 10 pick necessarily has anything to do with what’s going on with the roster right now

True, but I'd make the assumption that another top 10 pick is someone you'd count on to step in right away or 20-21 at the latest.

Off topic, but another top 10 pick and we can start discussing the merits of signing free agents.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Wait where did they say they were pursing a center in the top 10 outside of taking Kakko? We don’t actually know that.

And where did he say Chytil was a wing? Quinn doesn’t think that. Neither does Gorton

The kid is a center plays his best hockey at center I dont get why you want him on the wing or more so why you think management wants him in the wing

Quinn specifically said he likes Chytil coming off the wing, and Gorton said on the MSG broadcast that they still weren’t sure Chytil wasn’t better off on the wing. As for pursuing a center, it’s been more than inferred they are big fans of the USNTP centers, and are certainly attempting to move back into the top ten.