Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part I (Kakko/Hughes Talk)
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Polar Bear
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Hopefully this can clam down the few people freaking out that we'd actually pass on Kakko or Hughes. lol
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Ran into Sam Rosen today. He was with his grandson so I didn’t have the heart to really get into it with him about the lottery. Just a quick something about it being a great day to be a Rangers fan. He giggled and said you bet. He had the biggest shit eating grin.
Sam is fired up. He’s gonna massacre Kappo’s name. I cannot wait.
Sam is fired up. He’s gonna massacre Kappo’s name. I cannot wait.
How do you know they didn't try to trade down? For it to work, someone has to want to trade up and has to be willing to give up enough to do so.
How many of those mocks were done by people who were actually part of the draft day decision making process?
GeorgeKaplan
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He’s going to say his name with the same cadence he said consume the pizza and it’s going to be the absolute best
I dont.
No idea. Probably not many, the same as any other year. The two mocks that are easy to find are SI and TSN, as well as central's pre draft rankings
Mocks are meaningless. They are clickbait and always have been. None of these experts know what the teams are thinking. If the Rangers took someone else, Jessiman could have easily gone with the next pick.
“Hey, I’ve already started. I’ve been watching a lot of Kaapo clips,” Quinn said. “I’m a lot more familiar with Jack through USA Hockey, but Kaapo, I’ll tell you, he’s impressive.
“He’s got a pro body from the get-go, his release is just superior and he wants to shoot the puck. He sees the play ahead of the play. He skates fast and he plays fast. If he’s our guy, we’re going to have a really, really good one.”
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“He’s got a pro body from the get-go, his release is just superior and he wants to shoot the puck. He sees the play ahead of the play. He skates fast and he plays fast. If he’s our guy, we’re going to have a really, really good one.”
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Of course they don't, but they do provide some info on how prospects are rated (to a degree), and using the mocks, plus centrals rankings, plus the Rangers pick, plus the rumours of other teams around them being interested in him, we can begin to form a conclusion based on at least some evidence and extrapolation, that while Jessiman was taken too early he wasn't an "off the board" pick...
You're right. I didn't really consider Vancouver, but if the best guy on the board is a center at 10 and they feel like they can drop a few spots and still get a D or scoring winger they like at 14 while adding another 1st rounder, that could be a good situation for both teams.
To get Zegras at 10 a lot has to go "right" for us, at least according to my board, but it's of course somewhat possible that I'm not representative of the entire NHL scouting community.
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You're right. I didn't really consider Vancouver, but if the best guy on the board is a center at 10 and they feel like they can drop a few spots and still get a D or scoring winger they like at 14 while adding another 1st rounder, that could be a good situation for both teams.
To get Zegras at 10 a lot has to go "right" for us, at least according to my board, but it's of course somewhat possible that I'm not representative of the entire NHL scouting community.
Yeah, a lot of this is pure entertainment based on the Button mock and another that had Zegras going 10th. That spawned the whole, if he’s there we have to go for him approach. Combined with previous conversations on here, and a paragraph by Uncle Larry, and here we are.
Not going to lie, I definitely miss trying to figure out that value guy in the 5, 6, 7 range I thought we'd be in. It'll be a little disappointing to see all of those players wind up somewhere else, even if we're getting the second best player in the draft as it stands now.
Again, mocks are meaningless. Rankings CAN give you an idea. Rumors of other teams? Come on. It has been established that Jessiman was going in the first round. If that is who they liked best, they had 1 chance to take him. Secondly, teams do not TRY to trade down. They listen to offers from teams looking to trade up. With the depth of that draft, teams were not going to give up much to move up. It is not like when a team trades up to 1 or 2 in the NFL to get a QB.
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GeorgeKaplan
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I think you're agreeing with me while somehow arguing with me. It's quite intriguing....
I would have no idea how the NFL or its draft works so the comparison is lost on me
You are saying they should have traded down, implying they could have taken him later. Possibly, but he could have gone with the very next pick or the team with whom they traded. So, I disagree that they should have traded down. Listen to offers? Sure, but we have no idea what, if anything, was being offered to move. So, I just don't agree with the claim that they should have traded down.
Ok. That was throw away line (IMO it would have been nice if they could have if the were set in Jessiman, I get it takes two to tango) in a post about why he wasn't "off the board."
Glad that got cleared up because I had no idea what was going on
Depends on where Winnipeg's pick falls. My calculations are the best it can be is 18th. Secondly, depends if the Stars or TB picks become 1's. If they get the TB first, then the best the winnipeg pick can be is 19th. So, best case scenario is 19th, 28th (stars losing in WCF) and 31st (TB winning Cup). If they are willing to move all 3? Yeah, can probably move to 10th-ish. Higher? Not sure. Thirdly, are you willing to add current roster players? If they are willing to move roster players, the teams to target are probably Edmonton and Montreal. Of the non-play-off teams, they are most desperate to get back in with Edmonton being more desperate. Could you give them the Winnipeg pick and a player for the 8th? Possibly. However, if it is done, I don't think it would happen until that night. I would not want the Rangers making a move now without knowing their guy is definitely there.
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Mock drafts are literally a scam. You know how you can tell that none of them are watching most of the players (besides the fact that it's impossible for 1 person or even a group of people in 1 time zone to do)? They all agree, within 2-3 spots on all the draftees.
Imagine ranking the top 31 NHL players. There would be huge fights of who goes where. And there, you're judging players on what they are doing today. In the draft, you're judging how a player will turn out 10 years later when he has played a few seasons in his prime. Yet, no huge disagreements? Who are you kidding?!
Some people put out a list early on that no doubt has huge mistakes because they didnt watch most of these players at all or just barely. Then others copy those lists to seem smart, changing up a few things based on whether you prefer size or speed, ceiling potential or a certain position, etc. Then the mock drafts take a life of their own because people just repeat that crap on forums.
Then a team grabs Kravtsov at #9 or Grachev "slips" to round 3 from round 1, and people go crazy, not understanding what happened. They blame the team as if mock drafts were holy. It is not even discussed that it's possible that the first guy to make a mock draft made a mistake, then all the rest made the same mistake with minor adjustments because basically everyone is cheating by reading and repeating each other in a circle jerk.
Imagine ranking the top 31 NHL players. There would be huge fights of who goes where. And there, you're judging players on what they are doing today. In the draft, you're judging how a player will turn out 10 years later when he has played a few seasons in his prime. Yet, no huge disagreements? Who are you kidding?!
Some people put out a list early on that no doubt has huge mistakes because they didnt watch most of these players at all or just barely. Then others copy those lists to seem smart, changing up a few things based on whether you prefer size or speed, ceiling potential or a certain position, etc. Then the mock drafts take a life of their own because people just repeat that crap on forums.
Then a team grabs Kravtsov at #9 or Grachev "slips" to round 3 from round 1, and people go crazy, not understanding what happened. They blame the team as if mock drafts were holy. It is not even discussed that it's possible that the first guy to make a mock draft made a mistake, then all the rest made the same mistake with minor adjustments because basically everyone is cheating by reading and repeating each other in a circle jerk.
Well shit David Quinn is all in on Kakko. No chill there. Gorton was so political about it yesterday. Not Quinn. He’s ready to fly to Finland tonight lol.
Algernop Kreider
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There are 14 balls. They choose 4. The order in which the balls are chosen doesn't matter. There are 1001 total ways to choose 4 balls from 14. One combination is designated as a redraw, so there are 1000 possible combinations. Each team has a set of combinations whose size is determined by the lottery odds assigned for their position. When a team wins the lottery, their combinations also become redraws when the next pick is chosen.
Rempe73
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That is absolutely insane. For me, it still hasn’t hit me yet. It still feels like a dream (no exaggeration). In my head, I keep replaying the moment the guy turned over the card that was supposed to have the Rangers logo on it, but had the Sabres logo instead.
Also, can someone help me out with Kakko’s weaknesses? I can’t find any. Honest question. Is him being a winger and not a center the only knock against him?
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