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The San Jose Sharks are horror-bad

It’s probably not surprising given that the best piece added is injured, but for now, this thread has to be kept alive:

Outshot 22-5 in the first period, all shots given up at even strength. Down 3-0 already.

Then take a look at the Knight’s last goal…

If this isn’t horror-bad, I dunno what is.
 
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CaptainShark said:
It’s probably not surprising given that the best piece added is injured, but for now, this thread has to be kept alive:

Outshot 22-5 in the first period, all shots given up at even strength. Down 3-0 already.

Then take a look at the Knight’s last goal…

If this isn’t horror-bad, I dunno what is.
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I'll give it to the Sharks' players that they were flying around with a lot of energy and I didn't see anybody tank during the entire game. The problem it seems is that they have no direction and don't seem to be concentrating on doing anything particularly well. This is a team that needs identity: Start by being really good at one thing (defense probably makes the most sense) and then work your way out from there.

Which is to say that for all their other problems, they didn't seem to be adequately coached either. Possibly just too early in the season to tell though.
 
VivaLasVegas said:
I'll give it to the Sharks' players that they were flying around with a lot of energy and I didn't see anybody tank during the entire game. The problem it seems is that they have no direction and don't seem to be concentrating on doing anything particularly well. This is a team that needs identity: Start by being really good at one thing (defense probably makes the most sense) and then work your way out from there.

Which is to say that for all their other problems, they didn't seem to be adequately coached either. Possibly just too early in the season to tell though.
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What's the phrase, "if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle"?

Last year the Sharks' D corps looked like a #4/5 (being nice to Ferraro), and a bunch of 6-7's or guys who shouldn't be in the NHL and a few who aren't any more.

This year, our best pair is Walman-Ceci, who would be an okay second pair on a good team, and have actually done okay in a top pairing role. And the rest are bottom pair or would be in the press box on a better team.

I'd love to start by being really good at defense but that would require having really good defensemen. We have the NHL's worst D corps. This rebuild is going to take another half decade, can't just "draft and sign guys" out of it.
 
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Yes. He’s taken time to get used to NHL speed.

Also hasn’t helped he’s been handcuffed with his most common linemates being Kunin, Goodrow, and Dellandrea.
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Seems like a great development plan. Are the Sharks trying to become Buffalo west?
 
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Yeah, nobody expected the Sharks to contend any time soon, but holy hannah they are awful so far. Like, horror-bad awful.

After nine games, they have 1 shoot-out loss to show for the season.

They have 9 goals, total, in nine games. (Alex Debrincat, by himself, has matched their entire team's goal production.) They've allowed 26 goals against, putting them almost at -3 per game (or -240 for a full season).

Amazingly, their goaltending -- by save percentage, anyway -- has been fine. Their PK is about League-average so far, and their PP isn't the worst in the League (they dishonor goes to St. Louis's staggering 4.8% on the season), so their inept results are mainly down to 5-on-5 utter futility. They have scored six even strength goals all season.

How bad is it going to get? Will it get worse? Or, is this start just a mirage and they're actually not too bad?
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Yea and McCarthy in SiriusXFM was going on about how they are going to be competitive and entertaining after one game where their rookie scored in his first NHL game. Lol !
They may be the worst NHL team (use the term loosely) this fan has ever seen.
One major example ofa watered down 32 team expanded league
 
I didn't realize they hadn't won a game yet. This is like 14/15 sabres territory. Or like 2007 - 2015 oilers territory.
 
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Player like Will Smith shouldn't be in the NHL. Needs to be developed and given better deployment and a better environment to succeed. Right now the Sharks are ruining his development.
 
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For those wondering why Conroy and the Flames don't want to go scorched earth re-build this is why. The Sharks are going to be gunning for lottery picks for years to come and after all is said and done could just turn into another Buffalo or Edmonton pre-McDavid.

At least Chicago tried to put players around Bedard this past off-season, not sure what the hell Grier is doing, just loading the team with top picks and Toffoli and Granlund to mentor all of them?

At least once they win the lottery for Hagens they won't be able to get McKenna or DuPont.
 
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JPeeper said:
For those wondering why Conroy and the Flames don't want to go scorched earth re-build this is why. The Sharks are going to be gunning for lottery picks for years to come and after all is said and done could just turn into another Buffalo or Edmonton pre-McDavid.

At least Chicago tried to put players around Bedard this past off-season, not sure what the hell Grier is doing, just loading the team with top picks and Toffoli and Granlund to mentor all of them?

At least once they win the lottery for Hagens they won't be able to get McKenna or DuPont.
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We can only move up twice in 5 years, but there is no limit to the number of times we pick number 1. If somehow we catch another NHL team, and then win the lottery, we’re still eligible for at least one of McKenna or DuPont.

We were lucky to get Tofolli. Paid pretty fairly and for only one year of Celebrini’s second contract. In addition to Tofolli, San Jose added Walman, Ceci, and Wennberg who are middle of the lineup types. Askarov may also be a long term solution where one didn’t exist this summer. Goodrow, Dellandrea, Grundstrom are all better than what we dressed last year as well. Last years roster sucked to historical levels. Most sharks fans were under no illusion that we didn’t need a huge more talent, nor that we’d have anywhere near enough this year.

It’s going to probably take at least two more years of top 5-10 picks and solid (not game changing) UFAs. I have every expectation the sharks will be in the McKenna lottery. Hopefully we won’t be in the DuPont lottery but if we are, at least it’s for a franchise RHD.

The cost of 20 years of consistent playoffs. Wish we got the cup, but I’m glad Grier seems to recognize there are no short term solutions.
 
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For those wondering why Conroy and the Flames don't want to go scorched earth re-build this is why. The Sharks are going to be gunning for lottery picks for years to come and after all is said and done could just turn into another Buffalo or Edmonton pre-McDavid.

At least Chicago tried to put players around Bedard this past off-season, not sure what the hell Grier is doing, just loading the team with top picks and Toffoli and Granlund to mentor all of them?

At least once they win the lottery for Hagens they won't be able to get McKenna or DuPont.
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Grier added Toffoli much like Chicago added Hall last year. Having their top addition in Celebrini missing since game 1 drastically alters the make up of the forward core. They’d still be terrible but I’d guess they’d at least have a win by now.
 
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JPeeper said:
For those wondering why Conroy and the Flames don't want to go scorched earth re-build this is why. The Sharks are going to be gunning for lottery picks for years to come and after all is said and done could just turn into another Buffalo or Edmonton pre-McDavid.

At least Chicago tried to put players around Bedard this past off-season, not sure what the hell Grier is doing, just loading the team with top picks and Toffoli and Granlund to mentor all of them?

At least once they win the lottery for Hagens they won't be able to get McKenna or DuPont.
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We will be in the running for both hagens and mckenna.

Top 9 of smith, celebrini, hagens, mckenna, eklund, haltunen, musty, Zetterlund, Bystedt. Will be pretty nice.
 
matt trick said:
We can only move up twice in 5 years, but there is no limit to the number of times we pick number 1. If somehow we catch another NHL team, and then win the lottery, we’re still eligible for at least one of McKenna or DuPont.

We were lucky to get Tofolli. Paid pretty fairly and for only one year of Celebrini’s second contract. In addition to Tofolli, San Jose added Walman, Ceci, and Wennberg who are middle of the lineup types. Askarov may also be a long term solution where one didn’t exist this summer. Goodrow, Dellandrea, Grundstrom are all better than what we dressed last year as well. Last years roster sucked to historical levels. Most sharks fans were under no illusion that we didn’t need a huge more talent, nor that we’d have anywhere near enough this year.

It’s going to probably take at least two more years of top 5-10 picks and solid (not game changing) UFAs. I have every expectation the sharks will be in the McKenna lottery. Hopefully we won’t be in the DuPont lottery but if we are, at least it’s for a franchise RHD.

The cost of 20 years of consistent playoffs. Wish we got the cup, but I’m glad Grier seems to recognize there are no short term solutions.
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Yeah, that's right, my mistake. Hard to see a team be the worst team in the league for 3 years straight though, although the Sharks roster is that bad.
 
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Hard to see a team be the worst team in the league for 3 years straight though
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Are you folks tankin for Hagen? Spankin for Hagen? Poor San Jose. Those Thornton years were something else, I always thought a cup was inevitable.
 
TheGreatOne11 said:
Are you folks tankin for Hagen? Spankin for Hagen? Poor San Jose. Those Thornton years were something else, I always thought a cup was inevitable.
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The current thread is "Lose a ton for Martone" but I continue to stump for "brown smell for Frondell" regardless of him not being top 3, or any number of a thousand Misa+JarJar crossover themes.
 
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I’m partial to ‘D thin as a wafer, so we can get Matthew Schaefer’, but honestly I prefer Martone or Misa to him or Hagens at present. I’ll be thrilled with any of those 4; and statistically the Sharks are most likely to pick third, so I don’t hate that there are four exceedingly good prospects.

In my eyes it’s a better year to pick 2nd/3rd than last year. I’d take Celebrini over any player but Bedard (and it’s pretty close for me) from two years ago to this one, but think all four guys this year project to end up better than Demidov and Levshunov.
 
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