The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Doug Prishpreed]

A reminder that there are actually people who believe Dahlin isn't a top 10 defenseman.

That chart seems to say he can’t crack a 50% xGF without Joki…they might have a solid argument

 

[sabremike]

That chart seems to say he can’t crack a 50% xGF without Joki…they might have a solid argument

The only solid argument anyone who thinks Dahlin isn't an elite defenseman has is that they should be placed in a lunatic asylum.

 

[Zman5778]

Comparing this team to the team that was 1 point from playoffs

There's not a direct comparison. Tage/Tuch/Cozens put up what could be career years. Maybe for Dahlin as well as far as points go.

The team going into this year is FAR, FAR better as a team defensively and should be FAR, FAR better in goal.

 

[sabremike]

 

[Beerz]

Biron just said Joki looked great for the second half of the season. Do stats back that up?

I know how to find season-long stats but not sure how to summarize only portions of a season. In other words, I’d look it up myself if I knew how.

Hmm.. I thought he looked good early and was bad towards the end

 

[Willgamesh]

A reminder that there are actually people who believe Dahlin isn't a top 10 defenseman.

Reading those takes made me want to practice CBT.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

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There is one. But Philly is trying to squeeze the Sabres for him.

 

[Zman5778]

There is one. But Philly is trying to squeeze the Sabres for him.

You're talking about Konecny? Who's rumored to want $10M AAV on his next deal? No thanks.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

You're talking about Konecny? Who's rumored to want $10M AAV on his next deal? No thanks.

Nope. Farabee.

 

[SabresFanNorthPortFL]

Better?

Our top 6…

JJ….super young n inexperienced
Tage….switched positions, should be in his prime
Tuch….while not shown to be elite, decent top six forward
Quinn…super young n inexperienced
Cozens…still young but should be entering his prime
Zucker….veteran place holder

Benson….19

Brought in decent back up goalie

Brought in veteran, respected coach

Defense is super young but gaining experience


This season it’s turn the corner time, solid game plan time, balance throughout lineup, no washed up players (and there were a few), no fringe NHLers….

Tbh, I’m super excited….still young but this is gonna be a harder working team that’s way more fun to watch. These were moves we wanted, Adams did id issues and bring in solid nhl players to fill the holes. Do I want a superstar brought in…sure but don’t think it’s necessary. We gave up a promising midget to really round out the team.


Be happy….we haven’t seen a balanced team like this in over a decade.

 

[truthbluth]

No idea why it's percolating back up for me, but I had this thought on the Savoie/McLeod trade.
It's a terrible, albeit necessary trade. But it's only necessary because of managerial mistakes. Incredibly frustrating.

 

[Aladyyn]

Since he came to the Sabres, Alex Tuch is a first liner by every single metric you can think of. "Decent top six forward" is way underselling him.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I dont think there’s any doubt Peterka, Thompson, Tuch, Quinn, and Cozens are all legit top 6 forwards (with varying question marks). I’m also comfortable with Zucker/Benson playing in the middle six as well.

Love our bottom 6

Defense has an abundance of high end talent, just need to figure out what works (and if something doesn’t work, this is where a trade will need to be made)

Love our goalies.


I’m excited again

 

[joshjull]

Adams never taking advantage via trades by using any of our 3 retention slots and tons of cap space is where it's obvious they had an internal budget. Hopefully those days are over, but I'm still a little skeptical.

If you're talking about them being a 3rd party to facility a deal between two other teams by retaining cap/salary. They did attempted to do that but it didn’t work out. The 2 other teams couldn’t close the deal.


That type of transaction is a weird thing to use as an argument there’s been an internal budget. Those trades don’t happen much and the 3rd party GM has very little control over whether they can be involved.

 

[Uberpecker]

So Zucker's non-fancy stats aka pointzz over the past two seasons don't even look that bad compared to Skinner's last season. And he's only one season removed from a 27 goal campaign. So if he can provide even a little bit more than Skinner in any of the other parts of the game that aren't 5 on 5 scoring, Zucker replacing Skinner might actually be at net positive for their top 6.

 

[Dingo44]

 

[MOGlLNY]

I don’t know if this team will finish better or worse standings wise but I do know they won’t be mailing it in as much

 

[TageGod]

Yes, Yes, Yes, idk what metric Depth is.
Sure, uhh maybe...Lindy probably the real X, Sure, I think Quinn has already broken out. Don't we all expect 60 points if he plays a full season? He just gets hurt so it SEEMS like he hasn't taken off. Benson is kind of the only real option here.

 

[Gras]

Yes, Yes, Yes, idk what metric Depth is.
Sure, uhh maybe...Lindy probably the real X, Sure, I think Quinn has already broken out. Don't we all expect 60 points if he plays a full season? He just gets hurt so it SEEMS like he hasn't taken off. Benson is kind of the only real option here.

I don't know about "out" but he has been broken.

 

[DJN21]

I don't know about "out" but he has been broken.

This poster is here all night folks lol

 

[Mattilaus]

I don’t know if this team will finish better or worse standings wise but I do know they won’t be mailing it in as much

This alone is what gets me to watch next season. Not gonna pretend like i will be fine if they do not make the post season again, but it will be easier to take if they aren't getting run over every night.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

If you're talking about them being a 3rd party to facility a deal between two other teams by retaining cap/salary. They did attempted to do that but it didn’t work out. The 2 other teams couldn’t close the deal.


That type of transaction is a weird thing to use as an argument there’s been an internal budget. Those trades don’t happen much and the 3rd party GM has very little control over whether they can be involved.

but if you hold 2 cards up with a hole punched in them youll see that they dont show a 15 degree deflection, thus proving the earth is flat and pegula is cheap

 

[TehDoak]

No idea why it's percolating back up for me, but I had this thought on the Savoie/McLeod trade.
It's a terrible, albeit necessary trade. But it's only necessary because of managerial mistakes. Incredibly frustrating.

This trade is the equivalent of the movie trope of forgetting to get a christmas present for you kid, running store to store at closing time, the shelves are barren, then paying a guy $300 cash to get a toy from the toy store he's carrying into his house for a $50 present.

Mission accomplished but it would have been a lot cheaper and easier if the dad just did it earlier

Since he came to the Sabres, Alex Tuch is a first liner by every single metric you can think of. "Decent top six forward" is way underselling him.

Tuch has been given top line ice time, stapled to PP1, and stupidly high o-zone starts since coming to buffalo.

He's produced at a .35 GPG and .88 PPG rate.

While those are good, they aren't great given his premium TOI.

He's a top line winger in the sense he's a top 90 forward in the NHL.

He's most certainly a top 6 forward in every sense. Top line for a very general definition of top line.

In an ideal, contending roster, you probably want a better winger on your top line. Though, I suppose if he were opposite an actual elite winger or center, he wouldn't be out of place.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The team could really use 1-2 players no one is really thinking about to break through and develop into NHL roster players.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

The team could really use 1-2 players no one is really thinking about to break through and develop into NHL roster players.

Wahlberg in 18 months.