The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Fjordy]

Honestly I'm not sure how he is defensively so I can't really comment. I do know his counting numbers have been solid.

Who?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Honestly I'm not sure how he is defensively so I can't really comment. I do know his counting numbers have been solid.

I'm no Strome expert but he's always seemed okay in his own end at ES. No one would ever call him a matchup specialist but he holds his own in that regard. More of an offense guy though.

He's just not a needle-mover so he's hard to get excited about, overall. He is an NHL-caliber player every night of the week though, which is an upgrade over Krebs.

 

[TehDoak]

Chad just brought up Strome from WAS as a target, saying Adams always finds someone who no one is talking about. I brought him up here last month and didn't get much of a response either way. Most people just said they're prefer Dowd.

Have people thought any more about how they'd feel about Strome? I originally hated it, but have grown more comfortable with it as I see the other alternatives, and there aren't many great ones.

I really feel like he's going after someone who will be relatively cheap from an asset perspective, and has 1-3 years left on a deal with no trade protection. So far the only ones besides Strome I can identify is Sturm, Colton, and Laughton, and I don't really love any of them.

Washington simply doesn't have the center depth to move on from Strome. Backstrom might be on LTIR permanently.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Washington simply doesn't have the center depth to move on from Strome. Backstrom might be on LTIR permanently.

They're trying to rebuild on the fly, so I could see anyone on WAS being available for the right lottery tickets. They might take a hit for two seasons so they can be turning around by the time Ovie is getting his record and thinking about retirement.

 

[TehDoak]

They're trying to rebuild on the fly, so I could see anyone on WAS being available for the right lottery tickets. They might take a hit for two seasons so they can be turning around by the time Ovie is getting his record and thinking about retirement.

They were literally just a playoff team. I get it, its not like they are contenders, but they have to be competitive enough to sell tickets. I think the asking price is probably higher than we'd be willing to pay for what would effectively be a 3rd line center.

 

[Beerz]

I'll look for him at the Summer Showcase.

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Still building the FO back up.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I think the asking price is probably higher than we'd be willing to pay for what would effectively be a 3rd line center.

You can say the same thing about literally every center who would fit on the Sabres. Time to face the music that we're going to have to overpay a bit to get ourselves an NHL team to watch.

If Adams holds firm on his prices for yet another offseason, it will be another season of stagnation.

I think Ovie playing to beat Gretzky's record is enough to keep asses in seats for the next season or two. That's a good market.

 

[Gabrielor]

Chad just brought up Strome from WAS as a target, saying Adams always finds someone who no one is talking about. I brought him up here last month and didn't get much of a response either way. Most people just said they're prefer Dowd.

Have people thought any more about how they'd feel about Strome? I originally hated it, but have grown more comfortable with it as I see the other alternatives, and there aren't many great ones.

I really feel like he's going after someone who will be relatively cheap from an asset perspective, and has 1-3 years left on a deal with no trade protection. So far the only ones besides Strome I can identify is Sturm, Colton, and Laughton, and I don't really love any of them.

It's a good contract and it potentially fixes the PP, because he'd be awesome on the wall.

Don't know if it solves what ails us most, but I'd love to know WSH's ask. 11 + a b prospect? I'm in.

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

Just finished listening to Flamesnation with Rhett Warrener. He says Buffalo has some interest in Mangiopane. No sources or additional details although hinted that maybe things are going a little stale for him in Calgary. If there was retention maybe not a bad third line pick-up? Or as part of a larger deal?

 

[Fjordy]

Just finished listening to Flamesnation with Rhett Warrener. He says Buffalo has some interest in Mangiopane. No sources or additional details although hinted that maybe things are going a little stale for him in Calgary. If there was retention maybe not a bad third line pick-up? Or as part of a larger deal?

He used to be very good, but I don't know how he's been doing the last few seasons.

CF report:

His offense dropped off last year compared to (21/22).
He scored half as many goals and produced twelve less points overall.
Despite those stats, he finished the season (+12).
Off to a solid start in (23/24). Leads the team in scoring. Driving play through the neutral zone. Showing willingness to take the puck to the net. His overall compete has been noticeable and he's attempting to play fast in all three zones.
Being deployed in all situations. Averaging 15:51 TOI. One of the bright spots for the Flames to start the season. Involved.

 

[Gabrielor]

Just finished listening to Flamesnation with Rhett Warrener. He says Buffalo has some interest in Mangiopane. No sources or additional details although hinted that maybe things are going a little stale for him in Calgary. If there was retention maybe not a bad third line pick-up? Or as part of a larger deal?

Blake Coleman would be an interesting add.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I'll look for him at the Summer Showcase.

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And when you do, ask him when he’s gonna put a bug in Adams’ ear about signing Colton Huard, who plays at the same university as Stiven Sardarian.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's a good contract and it potentially fixes the PP, because he'd be awesome on the wall.

Don't know if it solves what ails us most, but I'd love to know WSH's ask. 11 + a b prospect? I'm in.

I can’t imagine it would cost us much on top of 11oa, and you might be able to figure out a way to do it without that asset. Krebs, for instance, as painful as that might be. I guess the cost depends on the market.

But yeah, he would have a role on the PP but would leave us still needing that defensive center. Which might be fine if Adams has a plan for that.

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

Blake Coleman would be an interesting add.

Or Andersson if Buffalo is truly big game hunting. Fully realize the unlikelihood of the Flames doing that, but I can dream. That said, their D-core is decimated, Markstrom is about to be traded, and they have no elite talent coming up the pipeline. Seems like a natural trading partner for us.

 

[Gabrielor]

Or Andersson if Buffalo is truly big game hunting. Fully realize the unlikelihood of the Flames doing that, but I can dream. That said, their D-core is decimated, Markstrom is about to be traded, and they have no elite talent coming up the pipeline. Seems like a natural trading partner for us.

Jame's been in my ear for weeks on Coleman, and I've started to like the idea. Finally gives some defensive presence to the top 9, at a reasonable dollar amount. Plus cup experience.

 

[Jim Bob]

Jame's been in my ear for weeks on Coleman, and I've started to like the idea. Finally gives some defensive presence to the top 9, at a reasonable dollar amount. Plus cup experience.

Coleman has a full NTC until 7/1/2024. Then it becomes a 10 team trade list.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they got him to waive for the Sabres.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Coleman has a full NTC until 7/1/2024. Then it becomes a 10 team trade list.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they got him to waive for the Sabres.

Yeah, another dead end topic since he wouldn't waive for Buffalo.

Blake Coleman would be an interesting add.

Let's be honest, he'd be perfect. Everyone who'd be perfect seems to have trade protection, rendering him a non-option (except for maybe Trenin, but he'll likely just choose to play elsewhere)

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

How can sabres be so bad when they actually have a pretty good top 6 and 3-4 good D .

Peterka Thompson Tuch
Benson Cozens Quinn


Need to fill the bottom 6 positions now, how could the bottom 6 look like ?

Hopefully Skinner trade incoming?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

How can sabres be so bad when they actually have a pretty good top 6 and 3-4 good D .

Peterka Thompson Tuch
Benson Cozens Quinn


Need to fill the bottom 6 positions now, how could the bottom 6 look like ?

This team has never needed an overhaul. It doesn't take much, and yet the GM has struggled to even take baby steps to round-out a good core.

No GM has ever been gifted such a great place to start and done so little with it.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Reinhart was pretty garbage for us as a #2 pick.. the fact that he blew up this year in a contract year doesn't make me pine for him. For us he didn't show up until half the year was over and we were already out of the playoffs.

A young player was inconsistent!? Oh my god what a shock!

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

This team has never needed an overhaul. It doesn't take much, and yet the GM has struggled to even take baby steps to round-out a good core.

No GM has ever been gifted such a great place to start and done so little with it.

Any chance for a zegras trade ? How would you say a bottom 6 could look like ?

 

[Fjordy]

Any chance for a zegras trade ? How would you say a bottom 6 could look like ?

I think the chances are slim. I'm not even sure Adams would be interested in Zegras now.

Skinner - 3C - xxxx/Greenway
xxxx - Krebs - Greenway/xxxx

 

[Dingo44]

This team has never needed an overhaul. It doesn't take much, and yet the GM has struggled to even take baby steps to round-out a good core.

No GM has ever been gifted such a great place to start and done so little with it.

Was Adams really gifted anything? He started the job being told to fire much of the staff and cut costs. He still had Ralph Kreuger as his head coach still seemingly calling a lot of the shots and Eichel told him before they signed Taylor Hall he already wanted out. They hadn't made the playoffs in nine years already.

You can hate Adams all you want but to say he was "gifted such a great place to start" is disingenuous at best.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Was Adams really gifted anything? He started the job being told to fire much of the staff and cut costs. He still had Ralph Kreuger as his head coach still seemingly calling a lot of the shots and Eichel told him before they signed Taylor Hall he already wanted out. They hadn't made the playoffs in nine years already.

You can hate Adams all you want but to say he was "gifted such a great place to start" is disingenuous at best.

As far as roster goes, yes, he was set up to succeed with very little work needed compared to any other team who has ever come out of a rebuild.

Unless you factor in his boss, the owner -- in which case you could argue that he was put in the worst possible situation. But ignoring the owner, yes, he was set up extremely well and STILL doesn't need to do much to get this team over the hump.

Keeping the team the youngest team in the league every year that he's GM, for 5 years straight is a choice. It's something he chooses to do on purpose, and it's keeping the team from improving.

Any chance for a zegras trade ? How would you say a bottom 6 could look like ?

Zegras isn't a bottom 6 player so I'd pass on that. He needs to find good bottom 6 players. Something most GMs don't need 5 years to do, like Adams has needed.

Will it be 6 years?

 

[Royal Thunder]

11 + Krebs + Joker + a 3rd for Andersson + Mangiapane