The Ref Fix (and not what you think)

[GoldenBearHockey]

Because the arm went up after the shot and as soon as Nash complained his stick was broken

No, the arm was up before the shot/stick broke.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The leafs may have committed 5 straight penalties, but as we know and has been said earlier, in hockey you can call a penalty at nearly any given time....so, in the second period, during that penalty span, did the Bruins NOT do anything that might have been penalty worthy?

I bet that any one of us could find 2-3 infractions against Boston that were just as bad as anything called on the leafs.

Please do so, I've asked multiple times, and the most people have come back with is a meh high stick, and Chara in the Gardiner/Hyman/Backes scrum.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

No, the arm was up before the shot/stick broke.

Cool story bro, where’s the arm up before?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Cool story bro, where’s the arm up before?

Any chance you have the same snippet about 5-6 seconds BEFORE where the actual slash occurs?

 

[Hal 9000]

Being from Vancouver, I gotta say that Boston and TO are my 2 most hated teams. The crappy part is that they both can't lose. That said, I was a little surprised at the benefit of doubt given to the Bruins that simply wasnt afforded to Toronto.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Please do so, I've asked multiple times, and the most people have come back with is a meh high stick, and Chara in the Gardiner/Hyman/Backes scrum.

Ask and you shall recieve



You’d also love Gardiner’s quote today how he got a penalty for his face hitting Chara’s hand haha

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Ask and you shall recieve



You’d also love Gardiner’s quote today how he got a penalty for his face hitting Chara’s hand haha

And JVRs knee to Krug's head? Or Kadri's cross check etc?

You do realize that it goes both ways right? Or no...wait..you didn't....really? You honestly thought only one team got away with stuff?? God Bless.....

 

[LeafFever]

So you want to ruin the game, don't say you don't because you do, because any fan that asks for everything to be called needs to understand what they are asking for is for half the game to be on the PP, that would ruin the game, that is what you are asking for and therefore you want to ruin the game.

If you called everything players would stop with the hooking and holding and it would not be half the game being PPs.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Any chance you have the same snippet about 5-6 seconds BEFORE where the actual slash occurs?

Your point was the hand was raised after the slash which was before the stick break. Refs called nothing, he broke his stick made a plea, they thought a Leaf broke his stick they called it immediately. Why would you need 6 seconds before that when the refs hands are clearly down even after the stick break.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

And JVRs knee to Krug's head? Or Kadri's cross check etc?

You do realize that it goes both ways right? Or no...wait..you didn't....really? You honestly thought only one team got away with stuff?? God Bless.....

You wanted proof, you got it. You then go off on another tangent about other situations because I guess you wanted 10 pp’s. The JVR situation is funny because he does exactly what Chara usually does, guy is on the ground and doesn’t let him up by using his body.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Your point was the hand was raised after the slash which was before the stick break. Refs called nothing, he broke his stick made a plea, they thought a Leaf broke his stick they called it immediately. Why would you need 6 seconds before that when the refs hands are clearly down even after the stick break.

Because you aren't showing the penalty they called, you are showing slow motion, not game motion, hell you saw it on the tripping penalty against Gryzelack, trip happened, then about 2-3 seconds later, arm goes up.

In real life, the arm doesn't go immediately after a call, there will be a signal delay, from the other view I had last night, it looked like he had his arm after the slash in the hands, but it could have been him turning, I will say that,

But again, penalty happened BEFORE that clip, regardless of WHEN he put his arm up,

It ain't a video game.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You wanted proof, you got it. You then go off on another tangent about other situations because I guess you wanted 10 pp’s. The JVR situation is funny because he does exactly what Chara usually does, guy is on the ground and doesn’t let him up by using his body.

Ok, so what you are saying is that the penalties should have been 10-2 instead of 6-1?

That's the argument you are taking?

 

[Pookie]

Match fixing is a little extreme, but this is a sport with a strong human influence. There are 4 people on the ice and a board room making decisions that can affect the outcome. As honest as people want to think they are, they all have their biasses.
There is certainly a thumb on the scale, to what extent depends on whom s, involved, but we'll likely never know...maybe 51/49...50.5/49.5.

There are ways to hold incompetent people accountable though. And through the grading process you should be able to root out these examples.

At the end of the day, if you really do think that these human biases are so much in favour of one specific team... and not 15 other clubs... and what happens when they play each other?... if you think they are so strong to influence outcomes of games... why watch?

 

[Pookie]

If it were fixed people would still spend money on it absolutely no doubt, look at pro wrestling people watch and spend money on that, same with game of thrones, walking dead, sons of anarchy etc.

Wrestling is known to be fake. It’s not selling a fair match. It’s selling a play with simulated violence.

The NHL is selling competition. There would be sanctions, jail terms and lawsuits. 100%.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Ok, so what you are saying is that the penalties should have been 10-2 instead of 6-1?

That's the argument you are taking?

The 6-1 disparity was a joke. Both Nash’s stick infractions were a joke, Gardiner’s was a travesty. Dermott got 2 for being too strong lol. By my count in terms of PP’s....Should have been at best 3-2 in favor of the Bruins.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The 6-1 disparity was a joke. Both Nash’s stick infractions were a joke, Gardiner’s was a travesty. Dermott got 2 for being to strong lol. By my count in terms of PP’s....Should have been at best 3-2 in favor of the Bruins.

Again, first penalty wasn't stick, it was hands,

Gardiner's was a travesty? That says it all,

Dermott's was a dangerous play and if Chara did that to Matthews, you would be still in tears.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Again, first penalty wasn't stick, it was hands,

Gardiner's was a travesty? That says it all,

Dermott's was a dangerous play and if Chara did that to Matthews, you would be still in tears.

Ya explain what Gardiner did? 2 for breaking up a fight? Chara sucker punches him yet gets nothing. It was pathetic reffing. Nothing special about the Dermott play, one guy went high the other went lower to try to get the puck and the bigger guy muscled him. Happens dozens of times in a game.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Ya explain what Gardiner did? 2 for breaking up a fight? Chara sucker punches him yet gets nothing. It was pathetic reffing. Nothing special about the Dermott play, one guy went high the other went lower to try to get the puck and the bigger guy muscled him. Happens dozens of times in a game.

So Gardiner didn't grab Backes?

Dermotts play was dangerous, if you question that I don't know what to tell you, location of the play, didnydneed to happen

 

[Hal 9000]

There are ways to hold incompetent people accountable though. And through the grading process you should be able to root out these examples.

At the end of the day, if you really do think that these human biases are so much in favour of one specific team... and not 15 other clubs... and what happens when they play each other?... if you think they are so strong to influence outcomes of games... why watch?

Well, I suggested that it could be .5-1% in favor of one team. And, as for what happens when they play each other, is what were seeing in this thread. Generally, most fans will talk of a bias leaning toward TO, but maybe it's not there when they play Boston.
OK, if the semi-finals are Boston/Columbus and San Jose/Colorado, one would be very naive to think there wouldn't be even a smidgen of bias from the NHL leaning toward a Boston/SJS final.

 

[Sniper99]

Really, go ahead, what did they do that you think they deserved a penalty for and didnt get one?

Was it one JVR kneed Krug in the corner and sat on him? Did Krug deserve a penalty there?

OMFG!! That wasn't even close to a knee. Give me a break, try not to be so soft.

 

[J T Money]

@Matt Watson is a professional Ref (for hockey) and is always more than willing to break down and explain every call that was or was not made. He's reffed numerous games with current NHL refs and knows them personally.

 

[AndreRoy]

I don't have a team in this race but some of the elimination games have been called pretty one sided. Tampa 5 PPs to 1.

Putting aside the fact that a disparity in the number of penalties does not necessarily indicate a bias in the officiating if those calls are indeed deserved, prior to that game the officiating was one-sided in the opposite direction. In fact the series ended up perfectly even in penalties and penalty minutes for both sides.

 

[Sniper99]

[QUOTE="GoldenBearHockey, post: 144976247, member: 216091"]Yes, that Dermott penalty was ABSOLUTELY a penalty, it was a dangerous play, simple as that.

As far as Gardiner, again, they will get the principals, him, Hyman and Backes were all principals, I've already stipulated that they could have called chara as well etc.

As far as JVR goes, I never said it was a vicious knee, it doesn't have to be, nowhere near the play, and he runs the risk of another power play? That was a stupid play.[/QUOTE]

Give me a break that Dermott "penalty"wasnt dangerous at all. Again with the JVR ******** you continue to bring up, it wasn't a Knee know matter how nasty you think it was. We get it you're just a salty little Leafs hater. Try not to be so soft.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

[QUOTE="GoldenBearHockey, post: 144976247, member: 216091"]Yes, that Dermott penalty was ABSOLUTELY a penalty, it was a dangerous play, simple as that.

As far as Gardiner, again, they will get the principals, him, Hyman and Backes were all principals, I've already stipulated that they could have called chara as well etc.

As far as JVR goes, I never said it was a vicious knee, it doesn't have to be, nowhere near the play, and he runs the risk of another power play? That was a stupid play.

Give me a break that Dermott "penalty"wasnt dangerous at all. Again with the JVR ******** you continue to bring up, it wasn't a Knee know matter how nasty you think it was. We get it you're just a salty little Leafs hater. Try not to be so soft.[/QUOTE]

Lol leaf hater? No probably not, but if you think jvr didn't knee Krug, you probably think Kadris hit was clean

 

[cjm502]

Seems we have a lot of newer hockey fans on HF these days. In the playoffs you let them play, the amount the referees impact the game should he very minimal.