The Ref Fix (and not what you think)

[Schooner]

Who said I was a Bruins fan?? lol

Sorry for the assumption, I should say anyone defending the Bruins in that situation

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Hi Francis Charron, I see you

Haha.

Do you want to actually discuss reffing, it’s challenges, and the realities of how a game is called, or do you want to just talk conspiracy theories and how the refs are out to get a certain team?

 

[kilgro]

Refs whistles came out after the leafs went up. Didn’t call shit in the first and actually let them play which was when it was a fun game to watch. After the backes bs where somehow Chara magically escapes a penalty and Gardiner gets called (LOL) the game went to shit.

You seriously wanna call johnsson for a hook there? Take two and two because pasta went down like a bag of bricks as soon as he felt johnsson touch him. Marchand with his usual antics, too bad he can’t get in Marners head.

Worst reffed game I have seen in awhile. In the playoffs too. Call a f***ing game consistently. It’s not hard. Don’t suddenly pull out the whistles after a scrum in which the bruins guys were the aggressors and somehow the leafs get no power play out of.

Not today zebras. See ya on Monday

 

[Schooner]

Haha.

Do you want to actually discuss reffing, it’s challenges, and the realities of how a game is called, or do you want to just talk conspiracy theories and how the refs are out to get a certain team?

I never made any comments about conspiracy theories, but certainly do not think the game was consistent last night. Saying you have "experience in the matter" doesn't mean you have a plethora of wisdom about reffing. I used to ref, doesn't mean I don't think they can be terrible with consistency or have anymore knowledge than the next poster

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Sorry for the assumption, I should say anyone defending the Bruins in that situation

LOL just call it like I see it, it was a dangerous play, he shouldn't have made it, and he got penalized for it, nothing wrong with that

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I never made any comments about conspiracy theories, but certainly do not think the game was consistent last night. Saying you have "experience in the matter" doesn't mean you have a plethora of wisdom about reffing. I used to ref, doesn't mean I don't think they can be terrible with consistency or have anymore knowledge than the next poster

I never said or claimed anything in your entire post, nor did I say I was a ref. A lot of assumptions.

All I’m trying to do is possibly discuss things from a referees perspective. Yup, it can be terrible, and inconsistent. The real discussion comes from why do you think it’s terrible or inconsistent. If it’s just, ooh the refs are out to get us, or the refs are incompetent or terrible, where’s the discussion or insight? It puts an end to the conversation.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I never made any comments about conspiracy theories, but certainly do not think the game was consistent last night. Saying you have "experience in the matter" doesn't mean you have a plethora of wisdom about reffing. I used to ref, doesn't mean I don't think they can be terrible with consistency or have anymore knowledge than the next poster

A request, if you’re going to put quotes around something and imply I said it, please ensure the quote is accurate. Thanks!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I always want the refs to call everything and not have a separate set of rules for the playoffs.

So you want to ruin the game, don't say you don't because you do, because any fan that asks for everything to be called needs to understand what they are asking for is for half the game to be on the PP, that would ruin the game, that is what you are asking for and therefore you want to ruin the game.

 

[Pookie]

So you want to ruin the game, don't say you don't because you do, because any fan that asks for everything to be called needs to understand what they are asking for is for half the game to be on the PP, that would ruin the game, that is what you are asking for and therefore you want to ruin the game.

This is true. If the standard of a stick tap is applied (as just one example), we need to expand the penalty box.

Game will be 3 v 3 for 60 mins.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This is NOT a referee bashing thread.

Fans of every team whine about calls and non calls. Some cite “bias” or that the league favours Canadian, American, big market, or small market teams.

All of that is nonsense.

The universal truth about NHL officiating is that they don’t call everything. You can’t call everything. There would be 60 mins of constant 3 on 3 and the box would be full. They are also human and miss things slow mo replay catches.

A penalty in the 1st is usually not a penalty in OT. It is just is. Deal with it.

HOWEVER, one thing that is real and a major problem is consistency from game to game. Some let things go. Some are more strict.

Refs also do not seem to have an understanding of what is happening through the series.

The SOLUTION is to assign Refs to a series and don’t rotate them around game by game. Teams would understand what they can and can’t get away with. Instead of a game by game variance in tolerance. Warnings to players would carry over.

In short it would be an improvement over what we have now.

I'm sorry but you are lying to yourself and to anybody else that reads this, if you are going to tell me that what you saw last night was not blant ref bias in favor of Boston.

The refs handed Boston 5 straight PP chances in a row in the 2nd including a 5 on 3, they did EVERYTHING they could do to hand Boston the game, the Leafs got ONE call and then not a f***ing thing after.

Boston may have failed to win but that does not change the fact the Refs did every f***ing thing they could do to hand Boston the game

 

[Pookie]

I'm sorry but you are lying to yourself and to anybody else that reads this, if you are going to tell me that what you saw last night was not blant ref bias in favor of Boston.

The refs handed Boston 5 straight PP chances in a row in the 2nd including a 5 on 3, they did EVERYTHING they could do to hand Boston the game, the Leafs got ONE call and then not a ****ing thing after.

Boston may have failed to win but that does not change the fact the Refs did every ****ing thing they could do to hand Boston the game

Do you think the game was purposely called in Boston’s favour?

That like the Italian Serie A match fixing scandal, that the Refs (and League) are PURPOSELY engineering game outcomes?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I'm sorry but you are lying to yourself and to anybody else that reads this, if you are going to tell me that what you saw last night was not blant ref bias in favor of Boston.

The refs handed Boston 5 straight PP chances in a row in the 2nd including a 5 on 3, they did EVERYTHING they could do to hand Boston the game, the Leafs got ONE call and then not a ****ing thing after.

Boston may have failed to win but that does not change the fact the Refs did every ****ing thing they could do to hand Boston the game

Gonna fix this one up for ya a bit, the refs called 5 straight penalties against the Leafs, because the Leafs committed five straight penalties,

There ya go.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do you think the game was purposely called in Boston’s favour?

That like the Italian Serie A match fixing scandal, that the Refs (and League) are PURPOSELY engineering game outcomes?

5 straight PP chances including a 5 on 3 while Toronto gets NOTHING that is either ref bias or incompetence neither is good and either way somebody needs to be fired because that was bullshit

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Gonna fix this one up for ya a bit, the refs called 5 straight penalties against the Leafs, because the Leafs committed five straight penalties,

There ya go.

They missed two obvious ones for sure. Chara's punch on Gardiner and Chara's high stick while clearing the crease.

Both happened right in front of the ref.

There were multiple holds missed (which is okay IF Dermott wasn't called for the exact same thing later on).

The 6-1 penalty count isn't a fair depiction of how the game unfolded.

 

[Pookie]

5 straight PP chances including a 5 on 3 while Toronto gets NOTHING that is either ref bias or incompetence neither is good and either way somebody needs to be fired because that was bull****

Well if your premise is purposeful bias, we are talking match fixing. That’s criminal.

If the league doesn’t investigate or the Leafs don’t press for one, they would be complicit in Match Fixing.

That’s widespread criminal action.

Go bigger. A whole legalized betting industry exists around this sport.

Now we are in class action lawsuit territory that would result in bankruptcy.

You honestly and sincerely think this is what is going on?

 

[Hennessy]

Well, this thread bombed.

 

[Hal 9000]

Gonna fix this one up for ya a bit, the refs called 5 straight penalties against the Leafs, because the Leafs committed five straight penalties,

There ya go.

The leafs may have committed 5 straight penalties, but as we know and has been said earlier, in hockey you can call a penalty at nearly any given time....so, in the second period, during that penalty span, did the Bruins NOT do anything that might have been penalty worthy?

I bet that any one of us could find 2-3 infractions against Boston that were just as bad as anything called on the leafs.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

I don't disagree with having the same ref crew game after game, honestly. At that point the flow of penalties should be more even and the players should, in theory, get used to what one guy calls and one guy doesn't. I think this will happen in the later stages of the playoffs anyways, as fewer and fewer refs take part.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well if your premise is purposeful bias, we are talking match fixing. That’s criminal.

If the league doesn’t investigate or the Leafs don’t press for one, they would be complicit in Match Fixing.

That’s widespread criminal action.

Go bigger. A whole legalized betting industry exists around this sport.

Now we are in class action lawsuit territory that would result in bankruptcy.

You honestly and sincerely think this is what is going on?

Like I said you may have incompetence among officials that is not any better either way somebody needs to be fired

 

[Pookie]

Well, this thread bombed.

Sadly.

We’d have people that prefer to put forward a “bias” theory without realizing that if they are right, people in this league are open to criminal charges.

And weirdly, if it is fixed, who in their right mind would spend an ounce of time or money following this?

I’m willing to bet that everyone claiming bias on both sides watches game six.

(And the losing side will be here claiming bias again).

 

[Pookie]

Like I said you may have incompetence among officials that is not any better either way somebody needs to be fired

Ok, so at least we can shut down the idea of purposeful decisions made to engineer the outcome of a match.

Now, competency? Fair game.

Which is why I brought forward the idea of assigning a crew to each series. It would help bring a level of consistency in how the rules are applied and only the highest rated crews get to work in the post season.

 

[Hal 9000]

Well if your premise is purposeful bias, we are talking match fixing. That’s criminal.

If the league doesn’t investigate or the Leafs don’t press for one, they would be complicit in Match Fixing.

That’s widespread criminal action.

Go bigger. A whole legalized betting industry exists around this sport.

Now we are in class action lawsuit territory that would result in bankruptcy.

You honestly and sincerely think this is what is going on?

Match fixing is a little extreme, but this is a sport with a strong human influence. There are 4 people on the ice and a board room making decisions that can affect the outcome. As honest as people want to think they are, they all have their biasses.
There is certainly a thumb on the scale, to what extent depends on whom s, involved, but we'll likely never know...maybe 51/49...50.5/49.5.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

LOL Just curious, where do you get that the slash was for the stick? Did you hear that on CBC is that it?

Because the arm went up after the shot and as soon as Nash complained his stick was broken

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Yes. At 4-1. With about 30 minutes left.

Or did I watch a different game last night that wasn’t played in one end of the ice for the final period and a half?

Of course it was you were on the man advantage for nearly half the time haha

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sadly.

We’d have people that prefer to put forward a “bias” theory without realizing that if they are right, people in this league are open to criminal charges.

And weirdly, if it is fixed, who in their right mind would spend an ounce of time or money following this?

I’m willing to bet that everyone claiming bias on both sides watches game six.

(And the losing side will be here claiming bias again).

If it were fixed people would still spend money on it absolutely no doubt, look at pro wrestling people watch and spend money on that, same with game of thrones, walking dead, sons of anarchy etc.