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The 50/50 is me still not sure if we push or tank. By push it doesn't mean we have to make the playoffs this year, I'd still like to be aggressive if the right moves can be made going forward
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The 50/50 is me still not sure if we push or tank. By push it doesn't mean we have to make the playoffs this year, I'd still like to be aggressive if the right moves can be made going forward
domiwroze
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Sell? Yes.
Tank? Nah. Start implementing a winner mentality. The current youngster needs to learn how to win for the next wave of addition to the team.
There's still a lot of trimming to do, but the boys can't start losing interest in winning like last year.
Anderson, Dvorak, Savard, Monahan(due to contract), Allen, Armia(even if not possible) and Pearson all need to leave tho.
Fire sale all you can at the TDL.
Then this summer, you start adding up to start competing for playoffs.
Tank? Nah. Start implementing a winner mentality. The current youngster needs to learn how to win for the next wave of addition to the team.
There's still a lot of trimming to do, but the boys can't start losing interest in winning like last year.
Anderson, Dvorak, Savard, Monahan(due to contract), Allen, Armia(even if not possible) and Pearson all need to leave tho.
Fire sale all you can at the TDL.
Then this summer, you start adding up to start competing for playoffs.
sampollock
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Winning by stealing points, you might as well not win if that's all you do. We're bottom5 in GF, GA, SF, SA... what winner mentality is this? Inconsistent special teams, no system (this is by design)... I don't know man. If they were scoring and peppering shots then at least maybe I'd understand.
As for 'firesale', I wouldn't hold my breath.
We badly need a superstar or star to put the team on his back. Absent that, everybody will look like dead weight because we don't have talent depth.
sampollock
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Passing on Michkov was a nightmare level mistake, we still have zero elite offensive talent and there is basically no hope of finding it in a trade
Need a Celebrini or Demidov type so bad it’s not even funny
Need a Celebrini or Demidov type so bad it’s not even funny
WinterLion
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They will sell at the deadline and have a lottery pick. Plus they have many young players developing nicely. I just hope they can get some decent assets at the deadline.
Or we need Lane Hutson...?
sampollock
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Agreed
But no prospect in the system that will be a superstar...lack that bad..
Got the #1 pick the wrong year
WinterLion
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I agree that it is unlikely, but not impossible...
Maybe Hutson? Possibly Reinbacher? Real longs shots Konyushkov & Fowler?
Lafleurs Guy
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No obvious superstars. But Subban wasn’t obvious. Neither was Price.
We’ve got a lot of really good young talent. Entirely possible that we have a superstar and don’t know it yet.
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Kent Hughes can't sell what nobody wants. Last year his bozo staff allowed Monahan and others to play injured and so Hughes blew it at the deadline and the Bedard sweeps. This year we can't expect much more, can we?
UFAs: Pearson, Monahan, Mitchell Stevens, and Chris Wideman
RFAs: Lindstrom, Barron, Ylonen
And which buyer wants these players with term: Gallagher, Armia, Anderson, Dvorak, Savard, Allen?
Maybe Jordan Harris (1.4m till '25) can get something...
WinterLion
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Can't be worse than last year!! Right!??!?
We will see...
I think Pearson and Monahan will have takers. I actually think Allen will get us a positive even though I'm in the minority.
We will probably get more Dvo and Anderson in their Ufa years.... Savard could definitely be moved, but I think we keep him until next years deadline.
I could see us moving someone like Pezzetta or Evans at the deadline to make space.
I could see us added a few decent assets, but really clearing out some space is the most important thing because we have a bunch of guys who will need icetime soon.
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Reminder: Hughes was offered a 1st for Josh Anderson and declined
Bozo GM, expectations are in the basement rn
Milhouse40
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It can be worse than last year......good thing is, we have 22 picks in the next 2 draft already.
Monahan, Pearson, Allen and Kovacevic are probably the only one I could see getting traded.
We sadly have another full season ahead of us before new management can complete the work of getting us rid of Bergevin's mess.
We definitely agree that we are missing talent up front. We just don't agree on the timelines. Adding Reinhard -- or Nylander -- right now, IMO, is too early to add players in that age bracket.
We need to remain patient since the situation on D and at G is still years away from being resolved.
I don't believe that Hughes will be in a position to add a youngish, know quantity that is a bonafide top line scorer in 2024 via a trade. I'd rather use our picks on forwards in this, the third draft of the rebuild and add more top picks for 2025.
That offseason should lend itself more to adding a young impact forward via the trade route. We will have more strong picks to deal, more polished prospects to dangle, more Cap space to extend any acquisition long term and veterans either becoming rentals(easier to move) or coming closer to the end of their contracts that remain value contracts (Matheson could fetch another 1st round pick for the 2025 draft and an interesting prospect in the 2025 offseason, or at the 2024-2025 draft deadline).
In the 2025 offseason, Montreal will have both the assets and the Cap space to be part of many conversations. Their are legitimate odds of having three first round picks, three or four 2nd round picks and three or more third round picks (we already have two of each and several rental players to trade at the 2025 trade deadline), with something important panning out on the trade front, IMO.
Getting an established, youngish scorer should be the top priority in that offseason. As you say, one on an expiring contract that can immediately be extended long term.
Picks from 2022, 2023 and 2024, for the most part, even if they make the team beforehand, aren't likely to have a confirmed impact until the 2027-2028 season, even if they show positive signs before that in the 2026-2027 season.
Contrary to popular belief, it's really not a high percentage of prospects that have a high end impact at the NHL as 20, 21 and 22 year old players.
Hutson, Reinbacher and Mailloux, on D, may make the team in 2024-2025, 2025-2026 (more likely), or after that, but making the team does not represent having an impact worthy of a contending team.
In 2027-2028, a 23 year old Slafkovsky will be something else to watch. 26-year old Dach, Caufield and Newhook should be in their prime, or, at the very least, entering their prime.
What we get from Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and Mailloux, at that point, will also be more significant than what we seen now from Guhle and what we will see fromtheothers in their first few years at the NHL level.
The beauty of this team is that the prospects should be fully developed by the 2027-2028 season. The performances the ice, especially if we have added an impact forward in 2025, should make Montreal an attractive team for UFAs at a time where Montreal will just have freed up 12M - 15M, depending on what is done with Montembeault at that point.
Steady but surely. The bonus would also be that the prospects drafted in 2024, 2025 and 2026, could also potentially add cheap, talented depth over a 3-year window when we are ready to compete for a Cup.
It's a rebuild and waiting a bit for a finalized roster is only normal. Furthermore, being patient and lining up assets as prospects get evaluated over time will provide Hughes with bargaining chips to make meaningful changes and additions to the roster.
hardcorehabs
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Okay I’ll put it another way, I would take Buffalos roster over our in a heartbeat. It’s considerably stronger and we could only hope to acquire that kind of talent.
Everyone pointing at buffalo as a reason not to tank is ridiculous to me.
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No, they’re pointing at Buffalo’s last 15 years as a reason not to tank.
Nico Cauzuki
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that was nothing more then a rumour that could of been starting by our management to gain interest
Anderson was always overrated by Habs fans i dont believe for a second that a GM offered a 1st for him yes hes big but he barely hits i wouldnt call him a PF
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LV426
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It doesn’t matter which position Habs will draft. With Bobrov having influence, it won’t make a difference.
Bobrov has a terrible track record.
Not that I believe our recent first round picks will bust, I just don’t see them as game changing, franchise players.
Bobrov has a terrible track record.
Not that I believe our recent first round picks will bust, I just don’t see them as game changing, franchise players.
Neither was Pacioretty who hadn't given signs of being such a dominant scorer at the NHL. Playing with Desharnais may have given him the confidence to become that (I'm not kidding)?
