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Let me end the discussion with what everyone is thinking, but maybe affraid to admit. Bedard is a HUGE talent who will have a better career than Faber. BUT, Faber has had the better year, mostly because of Bedard injury and crappy team. So Faber deserves the Calder THIS YEAR, but we all know that Bedard will be a better player in the long term. End of story.
 
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Craig Ludwig said:
Let me end the discussion with what everyone is thinking, but maybe affraid to admit. Bedard is a HUGE talent who will have a better career than Faber. BUT, Faber has had the better year, mostly because of Bedard injury and crappy team. So Faber deserves the Calder THIS YEAR, but we all know that Bedard will be a better player in the long term. End of story.
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RNH ultimately lost the Calder because he got injured and only played 62 games vs Landeskog who played 82. They had the exact same amount of points but durability was the justification.

This might be closer than people think. Bedard is going to play 60 some games as well just like RNH did in the year he lost. Yea he has more points than Faber but Faber is a defenseman and 40-50 pts as a rookie is nothing to sneeze at
 
Who wins the rookies goal scoring title though?

its a 5 player race

Bedard 22 (games : 64 | ice time avg : 19:46)
Rossi 21 (games : 78 | ice time avg : 15:41)
Foerster 20 (games : 74 | ice time avg : 17:14)
Coolley 19 (games : 78 | ice time avg : 15:48)
Voronkov 18 (games : 72 | ice time avg : 13:26)
 
sepHF said:
RNH ultimately lost the Calder because he got injured and only played 62 games vs Landeskog who played 82. They had the exact same amount of points but durability was the justification.

This might be closer than people think. Bedard is going to play 60 some games as well just like RNH did in the year he lost. Yea he has more points than Faber but Faber is a defenseman and 40-50 pts as a rookie is nothing to sneeze at
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Also D, Luke Hughes, 5 points short of 50.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
Centers are expected to play both sides of the ice. Defensive play is important for all positions. The idea is to defend as a team.
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But why i dont see defendermen like left, center, right then? Its only left defender or right defender with one center as offensiveman and one right offense and left offense.
 
Craig Ludwig said:
Let me end the discussion with what everyone is thinking, but maybe affraid to admit. Bedard is a HUGE talent who will have a better career than Faber. BUT, Faber has had the better year, mostly because of Bedard injury and crappy team. So Faber deserves the Calder THIS YEAR, but we all know that Bedard will be a better player in the long term. End of story.
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LMAO.

no.
 
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MuckOG said:
And completely irrelevant to the Calder. There are no bonus points awarded to the younger player.
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You say that but I remember early in the season there was a meme about EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD CONNOR BEDARD because the commentators kept bringing it up. He's only 18!!!!!!! So you say irrelevant, but every voter will know he is only 18 playing against grown men and leads all rookies in scoring.
 
Not that this means anything at all, just looked stuff up

Season high ice time : 24:59
Season low ice time15:45 (or 3:05)

32 games 20 minutes or above

Bedard has 4 goals in his last 22 games, 2 goals in his last 12 games.
- though 16 points in his last 22 games (8 points in 2 games; March 10th, March 12th; Ducks, Coyotes)

47 x 0 goal games
23 x 0+0 games


vs none play-offs teams

top 5

Coyotes : 3+3
Ducks : 1+5
Sharks : 1+4
Blue Jackets 1+2
Senators 1+1
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7+15=22 (1.83 ppg)

vs play-offs teams

top 5

Lightning 2+2
Panthers 3+0
Hurricanes 1+2
Stars 1+1
Avalanche 0+2
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7+7=14 (1.27 ppg)
 
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Geoist said:
To say someone had a better year simply because they were on a better team is ridiculous.
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OK...Could you imagine if Bedard somehow played in Edmonton, Tampa, how much better of a year he would have had? This Post wouldn't even exist. And if Faber was on Chicago this year, how good would his year be? Still don't see your point.
 
Artorius Horus T said:
Not that this means anything at all, just looked stuff up

Season high ice time : 24:59
Season low ice time15:45 (or 3:05)

31 games 20 minutes or above

Bedard has 4 goals in his last 22 games, 2 goals in his last 12 games.
- though 16 points in his last 22 games (8 points in 2 games; March 10th, March 12th; Ducks, Coyotes)

46 x 0 goal games
22 x 0+0 games


vs none play-offs teams

top 5

Coyotes : 3+3
Ducks : 1+5
Sharks : 1+4
Blue Jackets 1+2
Senators 1+1
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7+15=22 (1.83 ppg)

vs play-offs teams

top 5

Lightning 2+2
Panthers 3+0
Hurricanes 1+2
Stars 1+1
Avalanche 0+2
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7+7=14 (1.27 ppg)
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That top-5 vs bottom-5 comparison is particularly interesting when you consider it means he's significantly below a point-per-game against the middle teams. It sort of shows how random hockey can be, even over the length of a full season. This isn't a comment on Bedard's skill or likelihood to win, just an observation about a stat I found interesting.
 
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I feel Luke Hughes is hurting Faber's chances. Two D's with similar offensive stats underneath the 18year old prodigy. It can only go one way...
 
Craig Ludwig said:
OK...Could you imagine if Bedard somehow played in Edmonton, Tampa, how much better of a year he would have had? This Post wouldn't even exist. And if Faber was on Chicago this year, how good would his year be? Still don't see your point.
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Yes, Bedard would have had more points. But I don't see how being on a good or bad team should factor into an individual's worthiness for the Calder. You can bet voters are looking at the fact that Bedard was on a bad team and noting the hill an 18 yr old had to climb to get anywhere close to a point per game.
 
Sure, as a Hawks fan, i hope Bedard wins it but, i have a question; should a forward win a rookie of the year award if you go about 50 games without a goal
when you are more of a goal scorer, almost 25 games without a point and who has the worst ever +/- marker for a rookie who's played at least 80% of the regular season games.

I mean, Bedard has just scored a goal in 28% of his 66 games. In games that is, goals in 19 games out of 66
- if he doesn't score in his last 2 games, that % drops to 25%.

Almost 40% of his games, Bedard has gone pointless.

1. and 2. rookie forward in points

Conor Bedard has 13 x multipoint games (33 points) - 66 games played
Logan Cooley has 4 x multipoint games (10 points) - 80 games played

point difference between them is 16 points


Not that i think, know that this should matter or not when it comes to deciding who wins the Calder but.. just pondered a question
 
Artorius Horus T said:
Sure, as a Hawks fan, i hope Bedard wins it but, i have a question; should a forward win a rookie of the year award if you go about 50 games without a goal
when you are more of a goal scorer, almost 25 games without a point and who has the worst ever +/- marker for a rookie who's played at least 80% of the regular season games.

I mean, Bedard has just scored a goal in 28% of his 66 games. In games that is, goals in 19 games out of 66
- if he doesn't score in his last 2 games, that % drops to 25%.

Almost 40% of his games, Bedard has gone pointless.

1. and 2. rookie forward in points

Conor Bedard has 13 x multipoint games (33 points) - 66 games played
Logan Cooley has 4 x multipoint games (10 points) - 80 games played

point difference between them is 16 points


Not that i think, know that this should matter or not when it comes to deciding who wins the Calder but.. just pondered a question
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You still don't understand how point distribution works for top players, huh?
 
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