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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I should have said "if was taking a guy for a playoff run".
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Why not?
Like I said, I could see a scenario depending on the team where Bedard makes more sense, especially if he's going to be playing on the wing.
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You've compared Bedard to Kucherov twice over the last day, but still would rather go with Faber for a playoff run? That's certainly a choice.
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He's not as good as Kucherov yet. But like I said, if you assume Bedard is playing wing I see merit to taking either.
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What do you mean "why not"? He just isn't. Look at the standard of Active Number 1 Stanley Cup winning defensemen - Hedman, Makar, Pietrangelo.. that's the tier to be at. Faber isn't at that level as a rookie.
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I dont care actually. I dont have that cup or nothing attitude, I like my team anyway.
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I agree he's not currently as good as Kucherov is. But Bedard is pacing at about a point per game on this (utterly trash) Hawks team.
Look back at the 14-15 season for Kucherov; it's his sophomore year, he puts up 65pts in 82 games, and then goes and puts up 22 in 26 during the post-season. Bedard's regular season this year has been more impressive than that, so if you were to add him to any playoff team, you could realistically be adding a PPG game breaker to your forward group.
Don't know that I'd pass on that for Brock Faber.
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The 2016-17 Pens won with Brian Dumoulin and Justin Schultz as their top defenseman. 2005-06 Hurricanes it was Bret Hedican.
I also don't see him being very far behind Pietrangelo, if at all. Faber has arguably been a top 10 defenseman in the league this year, that's plenty good enough to be a 1D on a cup contender.
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Exceptions to prove the rule.
When you have to pull completely out for an "if everything goes absolutely right around him" you can do the exact same thing with Bedard... Give him like a prime Marian Hossa on his wing to cover his deficiencies and he can play Center in a 1st line capacity on a Stanley Cup winner if everything goes perfectly.
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This is a "Knies is a top 10 power forward in the NHL" as he was signing following the end of his college season level of opinion again. He is not a top 10 defenseman in the NHL his rookie year. You can't start projecting future onto the present if you are holding Bedard to a much more stringent standard.
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Why not? He's been excellent. 7th in TOI, top 20 in D scoring while being a shutdown guy.
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Are those stats compared to his team? If not, then you're still a long ways from proving he's in the top 20 league wide.
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Yeah I know. He's awesome and everyone would love to have him, just trying to help that poster try understand fact and fiction. I should probably give up.
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How are you "helping me understand fact and fiction"? You're the guy who thought those stats were amongst his team...
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Wow, they're not? I hope he's at least in the top 30 on his team.
(read their post again realizing they knew it was league-wide stats and their rhetorical question should become clear)
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Not to the same capacity, he wouldn't play PP1 over Burns for instance. Likely wouldn't play PP2 either which started with DeAngelo and has had Skjei, who is 1st in terms of PPP/60 amongst all Defensemen with 50+ powerplay minutes on the season (Faber is 37/79).
There's many ways to evaluate the players, just that your thought process wasn't as clear as you had assumed.
Interesting discussion.
Has there ever been a rookie #1D on a Cup winning team?
Faber is playing those minutes out of lack of other options for the Wild. He would not be getting 26 mins a night on a Cup contender.
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100%. Bedard on a playoff team would have 15 more points than he does now, at minimum, and if he stayed healthy would be in the 70-80pts on a playoff team.
Also to add that if one was looking at how either would do on a real cup contender, ideally they are both 2nd line. A little unrealistic to expect either to be able to carry a contender.
It's a silly premise anyways, and has no impact on how Calder votes go.
It's a silly premise anyways, and has no impact on how Calder votes go.
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Bumping this due to the Article below today, lots of really good quotes from league insiders on both Bedard and Faber in here (sorry fans of the other strong rookies.)
theathletic.com
Making Brock Faber's case for Calder: NHL players and coaches on why he could edge Connor Bedard
Bedard may be a phenomenon, but around the league, many are struck with how Faber has led the Wild: "He's a stud."
theathletic.com
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Voters put a gigantic emphasis on points. They don't really think about anything else.Bumping this due to the Article below today, lots of really good quotes from league insiders on both Bedard and Faber in here (sorry fans of the other strong rookies.)
Making Brock Faber's case for Calder: NHL players and coaches on why he could edge Connor Bedard
Bedard may be a phenomenon, but around the league, many are struck with how Faber has led the Wild: "He's a stud."
But as this article highlights, there's a very real argument that Faber has been the more impactful rookie.
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