The Race for the Calder Trophy

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Since Thanksgiving, Bedard has really struggled at 5v5. Meanwhile, Fantilli and Rossi have both been awesome, definitely starting to close the gap on him among forwards*:

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Bedard's 8.0% oish% in this stretch is a little low, but nothing crazy. And he's been getting caved in from a possession perspective, even relative to the rest of the Hawks. He has by far the worst CF% and rel CF% of anyone in the above graphic. I think he's really starting to feel that lack of support.

It's gotten to the point where Bedard is now 5th among rookies in p/60 for the entire season:

1. Voronkov 2.83
2. Rossi 2.55
3. Zary 2.47
4. Fantilli 2.35
5. Bedard 2.32

If this trend continues, the discussion for Calder could start to get interesting. If Fantilli or Rossi start to get more ice time, especially on the PP, the gap could close even more.

*FYI, the nhl.com 5v5 ice time stats are all wonky right now, so ignore all the p/60 stuff in the graphic (it looks like 5v5 ice time is blank for all games after Dec 5th).

What Bedard has done to date has been really impressive. At some point you figure being a one man band at the ripe old age of 18 would start to catch up with him. He's talented enough to outpace the field but it won't shock me if Fantilli or Rossi make a closer run at it.
 
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Simple thought idea have them switch teams and how would they fare?

The answer is pretty clear right?
Hard to say - Minnesota isn't exactly an offensive power house, but I imagine he'd do pretty well with Kaprizov. Faber would stand out even more in Chicago relative to the team.
 
What Bedard has done to date has been really impressive. At some point you figure being a one man band at the ripe old age of 18 would start to catch up with him. He's talented enough to outpace the field but it won't shock me if Fantilli or Rossi make a closer run at it.
yeah, in no way is Fantilli better than Bedard, but he's been playing with a lot more support 5v5, especially in the last month or so, where he's spent a lot of time with Gaudreau.
 
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Hard to say - Minnesota isn't exactly an offensive power house, but I imagine he'd do pretty well with Kaprizov. Faber would stand out even more in Chicago relative to the team.
Faber most certainly wouldn't be in the Calder discussion and he will probably drop out of the race soon as well, voters historically vote for scoring. One can look at the Lidstrom/Bure year for example.
 
Faber most certainly wouldn't be in the Calder discussion and he will probably drop out of the race soon as well, voters historically vote for scoring. One can look at the Lidstrom/Bure year for example.
I don't think Faber is in the Calder discussion anyways, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been the best rookie to date.
 
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Hard to say - Minnesota isn't exactly an offensive power house, but I imagine he'd do pretty well with Kaprizov. Faber would stand out even more in Chicago relative to the team.
Kaprizov has had his own struggles staying afloat at 5v5 this season, that line would have gotten crushed at the start with the way the Wild were playing. If Bedard were on the Wild he would probably be with Boldy and Marcus Johansson as his most common line mates, although Boldy did also miss lots of time so likely a split. The Wild wouldn’t have traded Addison most likely in this scenario and he would be our top pairing defenseman eating all of Fabers minutes. Gus would have never rebounded from his horrid start with that team in front of him IMO.
 
What Bedard has done to date has been really impressive. At some point you figure being a one man band at the ripe old age of 18 would start to catch up with him. He's talented enough to outpace the field but it won't shock me if Fantilli or Rossi make a closer run at it.

That's pretty much what I was coming here to post. Bedard has had essentially no top-6 linemates to play with all season. Hall was supposed to be that guy but he's played a total of 10 games this season and 2 of those games he didn't play the whole game due to injury and 3 of the other games he didn't play with Bedard because he was "ramping up" from one of his injuries. So in actuality Hall played 5 games as Bedard's linemate - AND - it's debatable he is still a top-6 player anyway after finishing last season with 36 points playing on Boston's 3rd line.

No one else on the team is even close to being a top-6 talent, and now most of the guys who, while not top-6 talent, are at least NHL professionals are missing from the lineup. He's playing with AHL journeymen or guys that are only on an NHL roster because they play for a rebuilding team with no real talent. Guys like Cole Guttman, Brent Seney, Reese Johnson and not going to play at an NHL level, let alone at a top-6 NHL level.

Lukas Reichel has struggled this season and isn't going to help linemates as he can't even help himself right now. Philipp Kurashev is a decent player but in truth he's a 3rd line guy playing on the top line because he's the best they have.

It's amazing Bedard has scored as much as he has this season but I don't think it's sustainable because as hard as it is to believe - the roster is actually worse right now than it was a month ago before Hall, Athanasiou, Raddysh, Anderson, T.Johnson and Beauvillier went on IR.
 
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It was a nice rush, but are you really posting "almost goals" to prop your boy?
You got a nice player there, but give it up - he ain't the best rookie.
The only "Race" here is for runner ups.
You should put Faber Hater in your signature so people can recognize and ignore.

f***ing going after someone for posting a video of one of the top rookies. What a joke.
 
That's pretty much what I was coming here to post. Bedard has had essentially no top-6 linemates to play with all season. Hall was supposed to be that guy but he's played a total of 10 games this season and 2 of those games he didn't play the whole game due to injury and 3 of the other games he didn't play with Bedard because he was "ramping up" from one of his injuries. So in actuality Hall played 5 games as Bedard's linemate - AND - it's debatable he is still a top-6 player anyway after finishing last season with 36 points playing on Boston's 3rd line.

No one else on the team is even close to being a top-6 talent, and now most of the guys who, while not top-6 talent, are at least NHL professionals are missing from the lineup. He's playing with AHL journeymen or guys that are only on an NHL roster because they play for a rebuilding team with no real talent. Guys like Cole Guttman, Brent Seney, Reese Johnson and not going to play at an NHL level, let alone at a top-6 NHL level.

Lukas Reichel has struggled this season and isn't going to help linemates as he can't even help himself right now. Philipp Kurashev is a decent player but in truth he's a 3rd line guy playing on the top line because he's the best they have.

It's amazing Bedard has scored as much as he has this season but I don't think it's sustainable because as hard as it is to believe - the roster is actually worse right now than it was a month ago before Hall, Athanasiou, Raddysh, Anderson, T.Johnson and Beauvillier went on IR.
It's a shame but all rebuilds have to start somewhere. Hopefully he can hold up over the full season. Really impressive as a teenager.
 
I don't think Faber is in the Calder discussion anyways, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been the best rookie to date.
Kind of ironic that the Calder is for best first year player though but like I said it's highly unlikely that Faber would be looking as good on the Black Hawks.
 
Kind of ironic that the Calder is for best first year player though but like I said it's highly unlikely that Faber would be looking as good on the Black Hawks.
Yeah, but voters only care about points these days. If Drew Doughty were a rookie in 2015-16 he probably loses the Calder to Panarin even though he won the Norris that year lol.

Doughty
82gp 14g 37a 51p

Panarin
80gp 30g 47a 77p
 
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Kind of ironic that the Calder is for best first year player though but like I said it's highly unlikely that Faber would be looking as good on the Black Hawks.
Nonsense, he would be looking the exact same on Chicago or NJ or the Ducks. It would be the team around him that would be different and how the coach uses him. So far two different coaches have heavily leaned on him and I don’t think any coach would do differently. He has played with every defensemen on the roster and has been with Middleton as his partner while making plays like above. Every team in the league has a better defender than Middleton.
 
FYI, Faber isn't on the 1st PP anymore now that Spurgeon is back, not that he was racking up the points on it anyway. He's still QBing the 2nd unit though.
 
It's a shame but all rebuilds have to start somewhere. Hopefully he can hold up over the full season. Really impressive as a teenager.

The one thing that I think goes in his favor is that he is used to playing the longer seasons, and you may see some of the college guys fade in the 2nd half of the season since they are not used to playing in this many games.
 
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You should put Faber Hater in your signature so people can recognize and ignore.

f***ing going after someone for posting a video of one of the top rookies. What a joke.
LMAO, I'm a "Faber Hater"? You need to relax bud. Just because I find it hilarous that anyone thinks Faber is a better rookie than Bedard does not mean I "hate Faber"
Man, you Minny fans that have been something lately.
 
LMAO, I'm a "Faber Hater"? You need to relax bud. Just because I find it hilarous that anyone thinks Faber is a better rookie than Bedard does not mean I "hate Faber"
Man, you Minny fans that have been something lately.
You literally went after someone for posting a vid of Faber. It's pretty obvious you have some wire crossed when it comes to either Faber or people who want to talk about Faber. Maybe both.
 
LMAO, I'm a "Faber Hater"? You need to relax bud. Just because I find it hilarous that anyone thinks Faber is a better rookie than Bedard does not mean I "hate Faber"
Man, you Minny fans that have been something lately.

You are an AntiFaberite!

No I’m not

Yes you are you are a rabid antiFaberite! Next thing you know you are going to say they should have their own schools!

But they do

Aha!!
 
Nonsense, he would be looking the exact same on Chicago or NJ or the Ducks. It would be the team around him that would be different and how the coach uses him. So far two different coaches have heavily leaned on him and I don’t think any coach would do differently. He has played with every defensemen on the roster and has been with Middleton as his partner while making plays like above. Every team in the league has a better defender than Middleton.
I'm too tired to point out the obvious as Faber would be on the ice for a lot more GA.
 
I'm too tired to point out the obvious as Faber would be on the ice for a lot more GA.
How is that obvious or definitive in any way? There is less than a goal per game difference between Chicago and Minnesota goals against this season. Add Faber to Chicago and remove their worst Defenseman, that is very easily overcome within the expected results.
 
How is that obvious or definitive in any way? There is less than a goal per game difference between Chicago and Minnesota goals against this season. Add Faber to Chicago and remove their worst Defenseman, that is very easily overcome within the expected results.
Admitting Faber would be good on Chicago would take away the extra 1,000,000 points Bedard gets for being good on a shit Chicago team. Can’t have that. Let’s just ignore that Faber is top 30 for 5v5 GA/60 among dmen with 200 minutes. Let‘s also ignore that of the players in front of him, only Josh Morrissey has played more 5v5 minutes. Faber is also #23 for 5v5 HDCA/60 among dmen. Obviously, these mean absolutely nothing because like Kaprizov or something.
 
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Admitting Faber would be good on Chicago would take away the extra 1,000,000 points Bedard gets for being good on a shit Chicago team. Can’t have that. Let’s just ignore that Faber is top 30 for 5v5 GA/60 among dmen with 200 minutes. Let‘s also ignore that of the players in front of him, only Josh Morrissey has played more minutes. Faber is also #23 for HDCA/60 among dmen. Obviously, these mean absolutely nothing because like Kaprizov or something.

Whoa whoa whoa! Come back off the ledge! I would absolutely love to see these 2 players switch teams out of curiosity more than anything. Kaprizof made Sam Steel look like a decent NHLer (I had such high hopes for him), I'd love to see with someone who can actually finish would look like playing next to him.
 
Nonsense, he would be looking the exact same on Chicago or NJ or the Ducks. It would be the team around him that would be different and how the coach uses him. So far two different coaches have heavily leaned on him and I don’t think any coach would do differently. He has played with every defensemen on the roster and has been with Middleton as his partner while making plays like above. Every team in the league has a better defender than Middleton.

Now that is indeed nonsense.

Unless they have watched every Hawks game, I don't think people can truly appreciate how bad the Hawks are, especially since Seth Jones got injured over a month ago. If Faber were on the Hawks he would either be paired with a rookie d-man and their rookie mistakes or one of the veterans who are Zaitsev (who is bad), Murphy (who is slow), or Tinordi (who is bad and slow).
 
Now that is indeed nonsense.

Unless they have watched every Hawks game, I don't think people can truly appreciate how bad the Hawks are, especially since Seth Jones got injured over a month ago. If Faber were on the Hawks he would either be paired with a rookie d-man and their rookie mistakes or one of the veterans who are Zaitsev (who is bad), Murphy (who is slow), or Tinordi (who is bad and slow).
None of that materially changes anything about how Brock Faber looks unless you are incapable of assessing a player individually. And the exact same can be said about his MN situation, I don’t expect you to know the nuances of MNs cap and injury challenges this season, but Middleton is very obviously not an ideal partner, I mentioned previously that if you do actually care, you can take a look at middleton’s stats playing the Wilds other rookie defensemen this year and you see the massive gulf right away.
 
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