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The Race for the Calder Trophy

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It’s pretty much over at this point unless Bedard gets injured. He’s among league leaders(as in all players, not just rookies) in 5v5 goal scoring. If he had a halfway decent PP he’d have close to 30 pts by now. If he had a good PP he’d have close to 40. Anyone who’s actually paying attention knows this.
 
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It's too bad offensive numbers are the only thing that are/will really be counted. I haven't watched much (aside from highlights) of Bedard, is he just getting spoon fed offensive zone starts/most of the power play time and just being deployed to win the Calder or does he play defensively responsible game too?
 
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It's too bad offensive numbers are the only thing that are/will really be counted. I haven't watched much (aside from highlights) of Bedard, is he just getting spoon fed offensive zone starts/most of the power play time and just being deployed to win the Calder or does he play defensively responsible game too?
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Just my opinion after roughly 10 Chicago games that I have seen this season. He plays the kind of game that best displays his elite individual talents, but he does not play an NHL level defensive game. Stays above his man in the D zone, goes for fly by stick checks, and constantly leaves the D zone without possession in hopes of forcing transition offense. He does have the hand eye coordination and anticipation to force lots of turnovers, I am assuming that is why it’s part of his game, at the junior level it was probably good enough, but NHLers will make you pay for that kind of positioning.
 
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Saying Bedard isn't good defensively isn't grading on a fair curve. He's an 18 year old center playing on a team with very little help. He's rightfully the clear front runner.
 
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And there are a lot things that go into "best".
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Yes, and defensive play is one of them. If you changed this players jersey to say Smith on the back and stuck him on a competitive team, I’m willing to bet over half the coaches in the league would have had him benched at points this season.

Now no one on the blackhawks seems to play with any cohesive structure so it’s not necessarily his fault, but even compared to his teammates his defensive metrics are horrible. Is putting up points during garbage time on a team not even trying to compete really that notable to be worth a major award? Everyone points to the teammate effect but doesn’t consider score effects the other way for him too, he has no pressure to play winning hockey and the opposition is usually up by enough to take the third periods off.
 
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Hattrick Kane said:
Look at the username. It’s blatant homerism. No point in arguing with him. Let him cry when Faber isn’t close to winning the Calder.
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He's not wrong to call out Bedard's defensive play. The eye test and underlying numbers both tell the same story, he's been extremely poor.

That won't likely effect his Calder chances though, because all the voters seem to care about is goals and points. Which is why Faber doesn't have a shot at the Calder, even if he's been the best overall rookie to date.
 
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Hattrick Kane said:
Look at the username. It’s blatant homerism. No point in arguing with him. Let him cry when Faber isn’t close to winning the Calder.
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Thank your for your unbiased contribution Hattrick Kane!

I am well aware that Faber won’t get the recognition from the PHWA, but this site is one of the few places where you can find people that do look beyond simple stat watching, so having deeper discussions is possible despite all the Chicago avatars saying “it’s over already no use talking about it.”
 
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The writers pick the Calder.

Half of them probably won't watch a Bedard game and only look at youtube highlights. There is no reason to bring up defensive play.
 
If Anaheim ever takes the training wheels off of Carlsson, he'll flourish. On nights when he does play, he's the best player on the team (on par with McTavish). While Zegras is on the shelf and vets like Terry, Killorn, Henrique, etc. continue to flounder and flail, Carlsson changes the game with his speed and hockey IQ. That may not be demonstrated in the numbers, but just watch their game against the Avs the other night for proof. Down 3-1, Carlsson scored the game-tying goal and the winner in the shootout.
 
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Yes, and defensive play is one of them. If you changed this players jersey to say Smith on the back and stuck him on a competitive team, I’m willing to bet over half the coaches in the league would have had him benched at points this season.

Now no one on the blackhawks seems to play with any cohesive structure so it’s not necessarily his fault, but even compared to his teammates his defensive metrics are horrible. Is putting up points during garbage time on a team not even trying to compete really that notable to be worth a major award? Everyone points to the teammate effect but doesn’t consider score effects the other way for him too, he has no pressure to play winning hockey and the opposition is usually up by enough to take the third periods off.
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Plenty of teams have gotten to take the 3rd period off against us as well.

He's 18 years old. If his defensive metrics weren't horrible, it would be absolutely astonishing.
 
Hattrick Kane said:
Look at the username. It’s blatant homerism. No point in arguing with him. Let him cry when Faber isn’t close to winning the Calder.
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Ahh yes, cause Hattrick Kane isn’t a blatant homer for the Blackhawks.

Bedard looked pedestrian against Minnesota. Both Rossi and Faber looked better in that game. Is it due to quality of team? Maybe. But it’s not like Rossi is getting spoon fed top power play minutes. Hell, he started the year with Foligno and Gaudreau as his linemates and basically forced his way onto the top line. Faber is a defensive stud. He’s probably the best rookie, but he won’t win because his position is a handicap for awards like this.
 
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Plenty of teams have gotten to take the 3rd period off against us as well.

He's 18 years old. If his defensive metrics weren't horrible, it would be absolutely astonishing.
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Like who? The Flyers are the only team to hold a 3 goal lead going into the third period against the Wild, and they kept up that effort to add more into the 3rd. They were also the only team this season to clearly out work the team, that was a whole game effort. Otherwise, you are looking at a whole bunch of games where the Wild went down in the third and then gave up more goals pushing for offense, that is where the goal differential comes from.

The Blackhawks have been down by 3 or more goals entering the 3rd period six times, several of those apply to the first period as well.
 
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Obvious Fabertism said:
Like who? The Flyers are the only team to hold a 3 goal lead going into the third period against the Wild, and they kept up that effort to add more into the 3rd. They were also the only team this season to clearly out work the team, that was a whole game effort. Otherwise, you are looking at a whole bunch of games where the Wild went down in the third and then gave up more goals pushing for offense, that is where the goal differential comes from.
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Maybe not the whole 3rd period then.

Bedard has 11 1st period points, 6 2nd period points, 2 3rd period points and 1 OT point, btw.

So not so much feasting on those lazy opponent 3rd periods, it would seem.
 
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Maybe not the whole 3rd period then.

Bedard has 11 1st period points, 6 2nd period points, 2 3rd period points and 1 OT point, btw.

So not so much feasting on those lazy opponent 3rd periods, it would seem.
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6 of those points are in the 6 blowout games I mentioned.
 
Of course Bedard will win barring injury but the Wild should be thrilled that Faber is now more than reasonable compensation for Fiala and Rossi has turned out to be good. Win win for everyone.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
Saying Bedard isn't good defensively isn't grading on a fair curve. He's an 18 year old center playing on a team with very little help. He's rightfully the clear front runner.
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Its a fair assessment that might be somehow counterintuitive, if he was playing on a cup contender rooster, his minutes and offensive zones would probably be reduced and not allow to do theses cherry pick fly by.

Chicago have nothing to show for themselves but a young prodigy to develop and shelter.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
This is caring too much.


Or he'd be playing with awesome players and have 35 points right now and not 20.
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Maybe, look we all witness the kid raw talent, but he also sitting 751th of 757 forward at -14 points.

Right now, statistically speaking Chicago win more game when he off the ice.
If he was on a contender, I say he would miss quite a lot of shift and would have to adapt his game to the rigor of being positive on the score sheet.
 
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