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The Race for the Calder Trophy

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ORRFForever said:
Re : "The Penguins had Recchi, Palffy, LeClair, etc. and Gonchar to run the PP."

And, don't forget, Mario came out of retirement.

Bedard has one of the worst teams I've seen around a potential superstar in a LONG time. Also, of his 18 points, ONLY 3 are on the PP. That's insane.

At the 1/4 mark, he deserves it.
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Crosby has a better supporting cast yes, but using Mario is a bad example. He played like 10 games.
 
chris kontos said:
How is jad getting screwed? Maclellan is giving him him his shot at rookie stardom
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Wel he isn’t a rookie so this doesn’t belong on this thread.

He is getting screwed because the coach hardly plays him. He is actually a very good middle 6 player if given a chance.
 
Leksand said:
Actually, how do you measure how weak a team is? The Pens finished second to last with a 35.4 P% and Oilers second to last as well with 42.7 P%. Blackhawks currently second from the bottom and 33.3 P%.
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I almost wonder if, given the rosters, that makes Bedard more impressive? It’s obviously so hard to compare guys in different situations so far apart. But, I at least think it’s fair to say that Bedard has the worst linemates.
 
LuGBuG said:
Crosby has a better supporting cast yes, but using Mario is a bad example. He played like 10 games.
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I went back and looked at Crosby through the start of his rookie season to December 1st. He was second on the team in points to Ziggy Palffy--Palffy had 25 in 23 and Sid had 23 in 23. Recchi was still as strong player at that point too, and Mario also had 18 points in 23 games. Bedard is easily leading his team in scoring and doesn't have anywhere close to that level of supporting talent at the top of the lineup...so in that sense what he's done has been extremely impressive.

It's kinda sad that the Hawks sold out so hard to get him that now that he's here he has no talent to play with.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
I think Luke could end up stealing this thing from Bedard. He's emerged as the Devils best defenseman. He's got the best xGA/60 of all devils dmen while pacing for 53 points playing 20 mins a night.

In the hypothetical where he continues his excellent defensive play and ends up around 10 goals 55 points, and Bedard scores around 40 goals 70 points, I think that's probably pretty close to a coin flip.
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That's a bigger gap than Bure/Lidstrom and we all know how this race is going to turn out.
 
FDBluth said:
I went back and looked at Crosby through the start of his rookie season to December 1st. He was second on the team in points to Ziggy Palffy--Palffy had 25 in 23 and Sid had 23 in 23. Recchi was still as strong player at that point too, and Mario also had 18 points in 23 games. Bedard is easily leading his team in scoring and doesn't have anywhere close to that level of supporting talent at the top of the lineup...so in that sense what he's done has been extremely impressive.

It's kinda sad that the Hawks sold out so hard to get him that now that he's here he has no talent to play with.
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Correct. He played 26. 10 the season before.
 
LuGBuG said:
It was 26. I acknowledged my mistake in a previous post. 10 games the season before.

Also I’m not arguing the supporting cast. Crosbys was better even though still crap.
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Fair enough. :) Like I said, I just want Bedard to remain healthy.
 
You guys should watch a Hawks game once in awhile. Bedard not only scored a goal but set up guys like 5 more times, all of which were flubbed of course. This team is an absolute joke, and Bedard would be running away with this if the entire team around him didn’t belong in the AHL.
 
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wintersej said:
I almost wonder if, given the rosters, that makes Bedard more impressive? It’s obviously so hard to compare guys in different situations so far apart. But, I at least think it’s fair to say that Bedard has the worst linemates.
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I agree. I'm really beginning to see it that way (in part triggered by the discussion here as ther have been a few more games)

Having said that I can read who the line / team mates of Crosby and Ovie were, but I cannot honestly say I remeber what that looked like. And those teams ended up close top the bottom with 100+ seasons from their rookies.

Entirely possible Bedard is about to be even morre dominant. It's an exciting rookie class.
 
WetcoastOrca said:
People think there’s a Calder race this year?
The race is for second spot unless Bedard gets injured for significant time.
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Guess the next 60 or so games don't matter then. F*** it. No chance a rookie ever craps the bed. Just hand it to him now. :rolleyes:
 
shakes the clown said:
lol if Bedard switched places with Rossi he’d be averaging 4 pts per game.
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Yeah. Rossi is 22 years old and has 14 points. Bedard is 18 years old and has 20 points. What he’s doing is MUCH more impressive. Magnified even more by his significantly worse line mates.
 
Obvious Fabertism said:
theathletic.com

Move over Connor Bedard, welcome Wild's Brock Faber and Marco Rossi to the Calder Trophy race

On a day when generational talent Bedard was in town, it was the Wild rookies who stole the show in a 4-1 victory over Chicago.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Spicy enough to go into mainstream print, I read this after my original post.
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Catchy articles are written to grab attention. Doesn’t make it any less ridiculous. They’re nowhere near Bedard on the season as a whole.
 
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