Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[Sojourn]

Nieve about what? Either he is a number 1 dman that is better than players like Reilly, Jones, trouba, Risto, and should be paid as such or he is not and he is on par with them and should be paid on par with them.

Those are the only two options, huh? He can't be better than Ristolainen, or Rielly, and still not be a proven #1 quite yet?

I'm not sure I agree that those are the only two options. I'm pretty sure he can be better than them, or at least have shown more thus far, and not be a proven #1. That's exactly what I think he is. I know everyone likes to rush with those types of labels, as a means to tell everyone how good their young player is, but I think there is something in between.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I haven't been here long but what is up with Winnipeg fanbase here infatuation with Anaheim players/situations?

Oh, you've been here plenty long enough. Still have that Fowler Olympic jersey?

 

[Stream*]

That he is available for trade.

I don't even get how you got to that statement from my original post. He is better then those players based on stats tho. And I think he should get a little more then them... but its not me paying his contract now is it?

So in your view he isn't up for trade, he isn't being offered what he is worth, and he is going to wake up one morning and say sure I will take less than those other players? Not to mention that about 5 other things have to line up to even have the money to pay him.

How do you see this working itself out?

 

[SCP Guy]

I don't see the ducks angle here? Pay the kid what he is worth and stop being so cheap ....

 

[Sojourn]

I don't see the ducks angle here? Pay the kid what he is worth and stop being so cheap ....

I'm no expert, but isn't that what they are doing? They are trying to negotiate a contract based on how they view his worth.

Just because you don't agree with their interpretation of his worth doesn't mean they are wrong. It just means they have a different opinion than you.

 

[yukoner88]

I don't see the ducks angle here? Pay the kid what he is worth and stop being so cheap ....

here's their angle, its 560k of cap space. someone has to be shipped out

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/ducks

the money that should go to Lindholm was over spent on Kesler, that contract is ugly

 

[SCP Guy]

And this snuck up on them? They dropped the ball big time here and I would be pissed as a fan....

A calculator in the summer may have helped them figure this out

The comparables are there the market is set it isn't rocket science... They knew they had to trade out contracts why wait this late? Crazy if you ask me

 

[WhatTheDuck]

here's their angle, its 560k of cap space. someone has to be shipped out

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/ducks

the money that should go to Lindholm was over spent on Kesler, that contract is ugly

Kesler's contract may look ugly in a couple years, but since you're clearly talking about the present, you couldn't be more incorrect. Kesler just put up a Selke caliber season, he's easily worth what he's paid at the moment.

If you look at the way the team is structured, it's pretty clear that the team's excess payroll is on the back end. $7.25M paid out to Bieksa and Stoner is a heck of a lot worse than paying $6.9M to one of the game's best two way centers.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I'm no expert, but isn't that what they are doing? They are trying to negotiate a contract based on how they view his worth.

Just because you don't agree with their interpretation of his worth doesn't mean they are wrong. It just means they have a different opinion than you.

They are beeing cheap because they have put themselves in a horrible position cap wise. Resigning Bieksa and trading for Bernier was complete stupidity

 

[WesMcCauley]

So the team is just supposed to wait for Lindholm and his agent before they sign other people? Because that makes sense? Why aren't people saying maybe Lindholm should've resigned back in July or August? There's two sides of the coin here, but opposing fans only focus on one side. BM and HL simply haven't agreed to a contract yet. Lemieux isn't helping the situation any.

The team felt they needed another semi capable goalie behind Gibson given his inexperience and injury history. Stoner was signed before Vats, Lindholm, Manson, Theodore, Montour, and Larsson were even in the conversation of being impact players with the ducks. Bieksa's extension was a mistake. They happen. The team obviously felt like he was still a capable player, and for all the crap he gets, he still played a top 4 role last year on a pretty good defense. He's more of a #5 now. Why did the Rangers hand Girardi his current contract? GM's aren't perfect.

Lindholm should easily get around 6 when you look at what contract Rielly, Risto etc have signed. He is a closer comparison to Ekblad than Rielly and Risto imo.
Girardi`s contract is horrible but he has been a top pair player for a very effective team. Dont get me wrong its a horrible signing but i understand the logic about giving him the contract because NYR won alot with him on the top pair and dont have many if any high end d-prospects at all.
Anaheim has tons of d-prospects and needed to resign some important young players this offseason. Thats why handing out the contract to Bieksa and trading for an average backup with a 4+ mill cap hit is ridicolous, specially because everyone has seen that he isnt very good. They just dont have a need for him at all, so why resign him?

 

[glasses91]

Can the Leafs have him pllleeaasssseeeee

 

[liquiduck]

Lindholm should easily get around 6 when you look at what contract Rielly, Risto etc have signed. He is a closer comparison to Ekblad than Rielly and Risto imo.
Girardi`s contract is horrible but he has been a top pair player for a very effective team. Dont get me wrong its a horrible signing but i understand the logic about giving him the contract because NYR won alot with him on the top pair and dont have many if any high end d-prospects at all.
Anaheim has tons of d-prospects and needed to resign some important young players this offseason. Thats why handing out the contract to Bieksa and trading for an average backup with a 4+ mill cap hit is ridicolous, specially because everyone has seen that he isnt very good. They just dont have a need for him at all, so why resign him?

As I already mentioned, they resigned him immediately after the trade. It was part of the deal for him to waive his NMC and before Manson emerged, making him dispensable. Lindholm is not worth 6 mil a year. 6mil AAV would have been the absolute highest I would have gone on a lindholm deal. Now that players like Risto and Jones have signed for their numbers I wouldn't go higher than 5.5/5.6. He's not that much better than Rielly, Jones and Risto.

The Ekblad contract is ridiculous. Florida is taking on all the risk on that contract. I hope it works out for them, but it's not something I'd want my GM to do.

 

[Pennaduck]

We are all speculating here. I am looking at the available information and making a guess on what is happening. I think there is another issue you do not. That is why it is a discussion forum, we all do not need to be in agreement.

Except it is not a discussion. It is a thread full of fans of other teams who have only a surface level understanding of the present situation of the Ducks barking at Ducks fans who are trying to explain it to them, mixed together with some straight up insults to our organization that add nothing to a hockey discussion, a jets fan conspiracy theory involving some mysterious red herring, and an admittance that jets fans are hitting the thread to take attention away from their own Trouba situation.

If it were a discussion thread, it would be one or two pages long and Ducks fans wouldn't have to constantly re-hash the same responses to ignorant questions and statements that have been answered ad nauseum

 

[featherhawk]

here's their angle, its 560k of cap space. someone has to be shipped out

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/ducks

the money that should go to Lindholm was over spent on Kesler, that contract is ugly

yes it is an ugly contract but why not just waive someone like Garbut, guy is a useless plug IMO but I think he would get claimed by someone....

 

[The Duck Knight]

yes it is an ugly contract but why not just waive someone like Garbut, guy is a useless plug IMO but I think he would get claimed by someone....

Yeah that couldn't be further from the truth. You won't find a Duck fan that isn't a fan of Garbutt since he became a Duck. He's a perfect 4th liner who can kill penalties and has a pretty good scoring touch.

 

[dracom]

yes it is an ugly contract but why not just waive someone like Garbut, guy is a useless plug IMO but I think he would get claimed by someone....

You should probably watch a player play on a new team before making a exclamation like that.

 

[WesMcCauley]

As I already mentioned, they resigned him immediately after the trade. It was part of the deal for him to waive his NMC and before Manson emerged, making him dispensable. Lindholm is not worth 6 mil a year. 6mil AAV would have been the absolute highest I would have gone on a lindholm deal. Now that players like Risto and Jones have signed for their numbers I wouldn't go higher than 5.5/5.6. He's not that much better than Rielly, Jones and Risto.

The Ekblad contract is ridiculous. Florida is taking on all the risk on that contract. I hope it works out for them, but it's not something I'd want my GM to do.

Dougie Hamilton got 5,75. Lindholm is better than him. I get if Lindholm isnt willing to sign under that. He deserves 6 when you see what Hamilton, Jones, Risto, Rielly etc got. He is the better player

 

[JetsFan815]

I don't think Bob Murray is negotiating in good faith. Lindholm should be pissed that this is costing him money he's never going to make back

And this snuck up on them? They dropped the ball big time here and I would be pissed as a fan....

A calculator in the summer may have helped them figure this out

The comparables are there the market is set it isn't rocket science... They knew they had to trade out contracts why wait this late? Crazy if you ask me

Exactly. Bob Murray can't act like he suddenly woke up one morning with this situation on his lap. This was coming for a long time. It demonstrates a lot of ignorance on part of the Duck management, which is why I hope NHL finds a way to step in and fine the Ducks management group

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don't think Bob Murray is negotiating in good faith. Lindholm should be pissed that this is costing him money he's never going to make back



Exactly. Bob Murray can't act like he suddenly woke up one morning with this situation on his lap. This was coming for a long time. It demonstrates a lot of ignorance on part of the Duck management, which is why I hope NHL finds a way to step in and fine the Ducks management group

Fine them for what? Negotiating with a player? Not just giving the player what he wants?

This just sounds like more drivel trying to divert attention from your Trouba troubles. This is hilarious.

 

[dracom]

Exactly. Bob Murray can't act like he suddenly woke up one morning with this situation on his lap. This was coming for a long time. It demonstrates a lot of ignorance on part of the Duck management, which is why I hope NHL finds a way to step in and fine the Ducks management group

Please, tell us what would the NHL actually fine the Ducks for? Giving out bad contracts? If so, they should just fine every team in the league.

Why do Jets fans keep making these ridiculous statements?

 

[Exit Dose]

This just sounds like more drivel trying to divert attention from your Trouba troubles. This is hilarious.

This really is quite the tantrum that some people are choosing to stage here.

 

[Sojourn]

I don't think Bob Murray is negotiating in good faith. Lindholm should be pissed that this is costing him money he's never going to make back

Exactly. Bob Murray can't act like he suddenly woke up one morning with this situation on his lap. This was coming for a long time. It demonstrates a lot of ignorance on part of the Duck management, which is why I hope NHL finds a way to step in and fine the Ducks management group

Shocker. Competing fan of a team in the Western Conference wants to see another team, one he has shown dislike for, penalized.

The NHL has no grounds for a fine. Please stop spouting that nonsense. It's more antagonistic than intelligent discourse.

 

[JetsFan815]

Shocker. Competing fan of a team in the Western Conference wants to see another team, one he has shown dislike for, penalized.

Where do you get this from?

 

[10coach*]

Kesler's contract may look ugly in a couple years, but since you're clearly talking about the present, you couldn't be more incorrect. Kesler just put up a Selke caliber season, he's easily worth what he's paid at the moment.

If you look at the way the team is structured, it's pretty clear that the team's excess payroll is on the back end. $7.25M paid out to Bieksa and Stoner is a heck of a lot worse than paying $6.9M to one of the game's best two way centers.

yeah right.

 

[DisneyDucky]

yeah right.

Ah yes, calling a 53points and top 3 selke candidate one of the best two-way centers, such a ridiculous claim