Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[Gabriel Landeskog]

I have a feeling lindholm has no intention of playing in Carolina

I'm sure he loves losing money daily because of the incompetence of Anaheim handling their cap and salary structure.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Well, he's certainly worth more than 300k now, isn't he?

The Ducks have more space than that, and if someone like Bob Mckenzie publicly states that he believes Fowler will be dealt when Lindholm signs, that's probably what will happen. It's pretty clear they're not going to move Fowler until they have made an agreement with Lindholm, which is the smart thing to do.

I'm sure he loves losing money daily because of the incompetence of Anaheim handling their cap and salary structure.

The Ducks have had space free all summer, Lindholm isn't sitting right now because of lack of cap space. He's sitting because him and his agent are still pushing for more than the Ducks feel he's worth.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

The Ducks have more space than that, and if someone like Bob Mckenzie publicly states that he believes Fowler will be dealt when Lindholm signs, that's probably what will happen. It's pretty clear they're not going to move Fowler until they have made an agreement with Lindholm, which is the smart thing to do.



The Ducks have had space free all summer, Lindholm isn't sitting right now because of lack of cap space. He's sitting because him and his agent are still pushing for more than the Ducks feel he's worth.

When did McKenzie say that? Source? I must have missed it.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Ken Holland is hiding in a corner sweating profusely somewhere. Our D got absolutely embarrassed last game, absolutely sickening to watch.

He caused Detroit such a cap hell that this move might not be doable.

Fowler will be had for even a lesser price now. They need to get it done with Lindholm, ASAP. In order to do that, Fowler needs to move quick. BM's hand is a lot more forced now, because let's be honest keeping Lindholm >>>>> keeping Fowler.

 

[brettzz]

bieksa/stoner + montour + tor 2nd to the leafs for frank corrado and josh leivo

leafs get montour and a pick

anaheim gets their cap room, a young replacement rhd for the bottom pair, young fwd depth with top 6 upside

 

[JetsHomer]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

Because he's expendable with the players we have now.... and holds most value as far as getting help offensively . We also won't be able to afford him after contract is up so might as well get value off him before he leaves


Not rocket science

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

bieksa/stoner + montour + tor 2nd to the leafs for frank corrado and josh leivo

leafs get montour and a pick

anaheim gets their cap room, a young replacement rhd for the bottom pair, young fwd depth with top 6 upside

Bieksa has a NMC and has no desire to waive it, And no way does BM trade Montour as well to move Stoners contract that's just not happening. And that still doesn't clear enough cap to resign Lindholm Fowler would need to go as well.

 

[gorangers0525]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

Deep down they know he's a #3/4 in over his head.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Because he's expendable with the players we have now.... and holds most value as far as getting help offensively . We also won't be able to afford him after contract is up so might as well get value off him before he leaves


Not rocket science

Spot on, Fowler definitely carries the most value here as far as a trading piece to get a decent top 6 LW that BM desperately needs. And like you say you might as well get something for him now because you wont be able to afford him in another 2 years any ways.

 

[gilfaizon]

Starting to think a Fowler deal won't happen until later on. If Des+Thompson are placed on IR, plus removing the player Lindholm replaces (Larsson) you're looking pretty close to being under the cap limit, from what i understand.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It would have to be one hell of an overture from Ron Francis, and then he would have to sign it. I believe the clock is ticking, because it's not Lindholm's fault that Bob Murray apparently doesn't have a capologist. Lindholm is losing money now because Anaheim can't clear enough space to offer him what he's worth in today's market. It's pretty sad. Have to think that Lindholm's agent has his boot to the throat of Bob Murray, telling him to clear space or trade Lindholm.

Lindholm is losing money now because he chose to withhold his services to the team and his teammates because he wasn't being offered what he thinks he is worth. Never mind that he had no rights or leverage thru the CBA to demand anything. Just because he isn't getting what he wants doesn't mean he's being offered chump change or that the team can't make a new deal fit the cap. Without knowing each side's offer you're just talking out of one of your additional orifices.

 

[JetsHomer]

Spot on, Fowler definitely carries the most value here as far as a trading piece to get a decent top 6 LW that BM desperately needs. And like you say you might as well get something for him now because you wont be able to afford him in another 2 years any ways.

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

 

[PhoenyX]

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

I think you just made this entire sentence up. None of it is true.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

No one is calling Fowler an elite #1 dman, you are completely misunderstanding people's words.

 

[Goose of Reason]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

Please, show me a Ducks fan calling Fowler elite.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

Well yes of course Lindholm would carry the most value for Anaheim in a trade, But he's not available i'm talking of the possible D men available from Anaheim that Fowler would definitely have the next highest value. Maybe Vatanen as well with that sweet deal but he's not available either.

 

[DisneyDucky]

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

Go back to kindergarten

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

Not sure where any Duck fans or any fan base for that matter ever said that Fowler was elite. You must be misinterpreting what others are saying about Fowler more then likely he's a 3/4 on most teams top pairing in Detroit but hardly elite he would definitely help our bad D in Detroit right about now though.

 

[wraparound]

Starting to think a Fowler deal won't happen until later on. If Des+Thompson are placed on IR, plus removing the player Lindholm replaces (Larsson) you're looking pretty close to being under the cap limit, from what i understand.

Well, if Despres ends up going onto LTIR, that takes 3.7mil off the books right there, plus the 950k saved from burying Stoner. IF Boll goes down to via waivers, that's another 900k off the Ducks' cap. Add that 5.55 up to the current cap space of ~323k** & you're looking at some significant room to make a Lindholm deal work. Granted, it doesn't solve the issue of actual salary dollars owed players (which matters more bc budget team, obv) but it does allow for the Ducks to get Lindholm back onto the roster & playing hockey with Anaheim again. There's a lot of moving parts, but it *can* be done.

**cap numbers from General Fanager

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Please, show me a Ducks fan calling Fowler elite.

I know right, I've never seen any Duck fans or any other fan base. Ever say that Fowler was ever elite. Not sure where this is coming from.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Fowler is a young #2 who I think will stay at a #2.

Lindholm has the ability to be a #1.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

You're sad

 

[dracom]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

Actually Lindholm would have the most value to return a top 6 LW, and if they traded him they would have room to re-sign Fowler.

Just seems weird to me that a team would be willing to take a bad deal on their #1 elite Dman so that they could sign their "unproven #2 guy"

Now you're just blantaly lying to make yourself sound smart. No Ducks fan have called Fowler elite or a #1 defensemen. Seriously, don't come into Ducks players threads and lie, we don't do it for Trouba so don't do it here.

 

[TheNewEra]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

uh

because lindholm is much better and the ducks would rather find a way to keep him then fowler

not that complicated