Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[KaseMeOutside]

If Fowler is so elite how come Ducks fans don't care that they are going to have to give him away so they can sign Lindholm?

another clueless post by a jets fan when it comes to ducks players

there is not a single ducks fan on this website, that i've seen that wants to give fowler away and there are not many that even want to trade him at all

 

[LeafFever]

Fowler is being terribly overrated.

 

[dracom]

Fowler is being terribly overrated.

How? We're not even the ones calling him a #1 D or elite. We call him a #2 playing with a #6 D and facing top lines with a skill set that should be used more as an offensive D.

The only overvaluing going on here is peoples love for fancy stats over actual on ice results. Remember, those fancy stats say Weber and Josi are terrible, so...

 

[xxreact9]

Fowler is being terribly overrated.

Let me guess, Jake Gardiner is a young explosive top-4 defender with huge upside? Bias will bias.

 

[JetsFan815]

Let me guess, Jake Gardiner is a young explosive top-4 defender with huge upside? Bias will bias.

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

 

[Sojourn]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

Right. One of them was instrumental in their team giving up the fewest goals against last season. The other, getting their team a 1st overall pick. Gardiner is a good defenseman, but he isn't better than Fowler. He certainly isn't better by quite a margin.

 

[DJN21]

Right. One of them was instrumental in their team giving up the fewest goals against last season. The other, getting their team a 1st overall pick. Gardiner is a good defenseman, but he isn't better than Fowler. He certainly isn't better by quite a margin.

Every bit of this.

 

[dracom]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

Gardiner plays the role that Fowler should have on the Ducks. Offensive player who shouldn't be used as a shutdown D while being partnered with a bottom pairing D. Yet, Fowler still helps lead the team to lowest goals against and has helped the team make the playoffs, while the Leafs are winning the lottery.

But sure, Gardiner is better than Fowler by quite a margin.

 

[Vipers31]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

That's low-level advanced stat scouting 101 at its absolute best.

 

[krt88]

How is this situation gonna end?

Hard to see a way Anaheim frees up 6/7m in cap space to get him signed. Unless they are willing to give away a player or two.

I don't how they trade Lindholm unless they get back a ton in futures including a sure fire prospect.

 

[Gliff]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

Oh man. Fowler was consistently the best defender on the #1 defensive team in the NHL last year. THis fantasy that he is overated is so funny to me.

 

[doubledown99]

Elliotte Friedman just said on Headlines on HNIC that Ducks and Lindholm were $700k apart and the difference has narrowed to less than that and are close to signing him

 

[Mad Brills*]

However, he said the ducks don't want to make a disruptive move (Trade fowler) in doing so to sign lindholm.

 

[Sojourn]

However, he said the ducks don't want to make a disruptive move (Trade fowler) in doing so to sign lindholm.

Well, the good news is that they can put Thompson on LTIR, and if Despres' issues are a concussion, the same is true of him. That's a healthy chunk of temporary room.

 

[liquiduck]

How is this situation gonna end?

Hard to see a way Anaheim frees up 6/7m in cap space to get him signed. Unless they are willing to give away a player or two.

I don't how they trade Lindholm unless they get back a ton in futures including a sure fire prospect.

They might not have to clear any space. Send a few people down, bury Stoner, put Despres and Thompson on LTIR.

Would be tight, but it might work depending on Lindholms number.

 

[doubledown99]

However, he said the ducks don't want to make a disruptive move (Trade fowler) in doing so to sign lindholm.

Yes he discussed that but more positively. Said Ducks don't want to move Fowler as they want to go for it (Stanley Cup). And moving Fowler could be disruptive.

Honestly the Ducks can probably fit Lindholm in with IR etc and some creativity (Boll to AHL etc). They could also make the smart move and move Stoner/Bieksa with a sweetener. What that sweetener is will be argued but Ducks have options

 

[Beerz]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

I think Fowler is overrated but he is unquestionably better than Jake Gardiner

 

[Arthuros]

Well, the good news is that they can put Thompson on LTIR, and if Despres' issues are a concussion, the same is true of him. That's a healthy chunk of temporary room.

I don't like the idea of not making permanent room, though. It could handcuff BM very badly if he signs Lindholm by relying on LTIR relief, unless we're shutting down Despres and Thompson for the year.

Might force him to make a desperation move, and he would have to accept whatever the return is, however bad.

 

[Beerz]

Well, the good news is that they can put Thompson on LTIR, and if Despres' issues are a concussion, the same is true of him. That's a healthy chunk of temporary room.

I thought the issue was actual dollars ...not cap dollars?

 

[xxreact9]

He is better than Fowler and by quite a margin

Here we go.

-Fowler earned 22:46 of ice time, 1st on the team who let in the least goals in the NHL.
-Gardiner earned 20:17 of ice time, the 4th most on the team who let in the 4th most goals in the NHL.

-In terms of +/-, Gardiner is -38 over the last 2 seasons while Fowler is -4. This is with Fowler taking more defensive zone starts and facing top competition.

-Offensively, Fowler averages over 5 more points per season.

What more do you want? It's literal insanity to say Gardiner is better. And to say "by quite a margin" is even far more ridiculous.

 

[Avs44]

I thought the issue was actual dollars ...not cap dollars?

Well considering the Ducks have around 500k in cap space right now, I'd say it's both.

 

[Sojourn]

Yes he discussed that but more positively. Said Ducks don't want to move Fowler as they want to go for it (Stanley Cup). And moving Fowler could be disruptive.

Honestly the Ducks can probably fit Lindholm in with IR etc and some creativity (Boll to AHL etc). They could also make the smart move and move Stoner/Bieksa with a sweetener. What that sweetener is will be argued but Ducks have options

Well, he's right. Fowler makes them a better team. Add Lindholm to the roster, and Fowler is still, at worst, #2 on the depth chart, and there will still be nights where he's #1.

How feasible it is remains to be seen, but having Lindholm and Fowler on the roster is probably the best case scenario for Anaheim.

 

[Beerz]

Well considering the Ducks have around 500k in cap space right now, I'd say it's both.

Didnt realize that

 

[Sojourn]

I thought the issue was actual dollars ...not cap dollars?

That was more speculation, and the further we got into the off-season the less likely it seemed to be the case. That's something Anaheim fans have tried to point out, but no one wanted to listen.

The expansion changes things. Anaheim can't protect themselves from the expansion, and still make a push for a Cup, without spending money.

 

[liquiduck]

I don't like the idea of not making permanent room, though. It could handcuff BM very badly if he signs Lindholm by relying on LTIR relief, unless we're shutting down Despres and Thompson for the year.

Might force him to make a desperation move, and he would have to accept whatever the return is, however bad.

Thompson is done for a long time, maybe the year. If Despres had yet another concussion then he could also be out months. That's plenty of time to get something done.