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Gurglesons said:
Will be interesting to see how Dubas handles this summer. His trade deadline was decent a solid B-. If he somehow turns Rakell or Rust into something at the draft and flips some of his assets for impactful young players, I’ll feel slightly more inclined to trust his process.
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And there ya go. Beauvillier out for a 2nd, Glass who we got a 3rd and 5th to take into another 3rd, turns Bunting into Novak and Schenn and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th, gets Timmons and Dewar who have been solid for a 5th, turns Pettersson and DOC into a 1st in 25/unpro 26...yup...solid B- work there.

"Well, Dubas didn't do what I arbitrarily decided he MUST do in order to have my approval!" Lol, sure bud.

Just gonna place that post next to the other baggies of dog shit at the bottom of the can.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Ovechkin was on the ice for 21 GF and 11 GA in his Conn Smythe win.

Crosby was on the ice for 16 GF and 18 GA in his Conn Smythe win in 15-16.

I’m not denying Crosby deserved the Smythe that year. Just that the idea that since 15-16, Crosby has been some head and shoulders defensive guru over Ovechkin is largely a lie perpetuated by Canadian media.

Crosby is clearly the better career and player overall. Ovechkin has just been a more impactful player and contributed to the Capitals being a better team since 17-18.
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So +/- tells us everything about a player's defensive capabilities?

How has Ovechkin been more impactful than Crosby since 17-18? Because he can stand around while his teammates do the majority of the work getting him the puck?
 
Old Gregg said:
So +/- tells us everything about a player's defensive capabilities?

How has Ovechkin been more impactful than Crosby since 17-18? Because he can stand around while his teammates do the majority of the work getting him the puck?
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Because he’s been the best goal scorer in the league in 2 of those years and top ten in 3 of those years while Sid has been a top ten point producer in two of them. 5th and 10th are his finishes.
 
SEALBound said:
And there ya go. Beauvillier out for a 2nd, Glass who we got a 3rd and 5th to take into another 3rd, turns Bunting into Novak and Schenn and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th, gets Timmons and Dewar who have been solid for a 5th, turns Pettersson and DOC into a 1st in 25/unpro 26...yup...solid B- work there.

"Well, Dubas didn't do what I arbitrarily decided he MUST do in order to have my approval!" Lol, sure bud.

Just gonna place that post next to the other baggies of dog shit at the bottom of the can.
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Not sure what is so bad about having a B- trade deadline. That is above average. Marcus Pettersson trade was a home run. The rest of the trades were peripheral deals. Like the Novak addition and Timmins has been solid, but it’s moving chairs on the deck.

Dubas had the opportunity to move out Rakell’s contract for real value, I believe that will be something he regrets. As I said will be interested to see what he does this summer.
 
Gurglesons said:
Dubas had the opportunity to move out Rakell’s contract for real value, I believe that will be something he regrets. As I said will be interested to see what he does this summer.
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Ahhhh this old reply again. Just like last year. Welp, just like last year - what exactly were the trade offers "of real value" that Dubas was actually offered? Cite your sources.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Because he’s been the best goal scorer in the league in 2 of those years and top ten in 3 of those years while Sid has been a top ten point producer in two of them. 5th and 10th are his finishes.
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So a player who has contributed to 571 goals in 557 games is more impactful than a player who has contributed to 643 goals in 558 games?
 
SEALBound said:
Ahhhh this old reply again. Just like last year. Welp, just like last year - what exactly were the trade offers "of real value" that Dubas was actually offered? Cite your sources.
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I'm not even sure I understand your logic here.

So, I can only criticize us not moving a player if I know firmly what was offered. Nobody knows that but Kyle Dubas.

So, basically in your eyes, nobody can ever criticize a GM for trade value.
 
Gotta love how Johe lambasts the Pens for not playing "with any intelligence", for showing "indifference to playing smart hockey" and so on but not even a hint of pointing the finger at the coach and his (lest we forget) commitment to "winning culture".

In other news, Rust has 2 points in the last 6 games, one of which is a secondary helper for an ENG.
 
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Old Gregg said:
So a player who has contributed to 571 goals in 557 games is more impactful than a player who has contributed to 643 goals in 558 games?
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I'm not sure what this argument is. My argument is Ovechkin has been a more impactful player from 2018-19 than Crosby because he's won multiple goal scoring trophies and has more goal scoring finishes than Sid.

Also he is going to make the playoffs this year and last where as Sid's team has not. We always use Sid's cups as an argument of Sid's legacy over Ovechkin, we can't then reverse it when Sid is not leading his team to the playoffs.

I'm not a big weigher of goals over points, but I don't really see how Sid has realistically been a more impactful player. I think Sid was clearly the better player from like 2010 to the 17-18 season. Their first few years are a relative toss up and Sid has the better trophy case.
 
Icarium said:
Gotta love how Johe lambasts the Pens for not playing "with any intelligence", for showing "indifference to playing smart hockey" and so on but not even a hint of pointing the finger at the coach and his (lest we forget) commitment to "winning culture".

In other news, Rust has 2 points in the last 6 games, one of which is a secondary helper for an ENG.
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Jarry was outstanding. The GWG is on EK65 depsite Graves totally f***ing it up and Jarry letting in a softy according to this clown.
 
Gurglesons said:
I'm not sure what this argument is. My argument is Ovechkin has been a more impactful player from 2018-19 than Crosby because he's won multiple goal scoring trophies and has more goal scoring finishes than Sid.

Also he is going to make the playoffs this year and last where as Sid's team has not. We always use Sid's cups as an argument of Sid's legacy over Ovechkin, we can't then reverse it when Sid is not leading his team to the playoffs.

I'm not a big weigher of goals over points, but I don't really see how Sid has realistically been a more impactful player. I think Sid was clearly the better player from like 2010 to the 17-18 season. Their first few years are a relative toss up and Sid has the better trophy case.
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Those are the point totals for Ovechkin and Crosby from 2017-2018 to today. Those show that Crosby has contributed to more goals for his team than Ovechkin. This doesn't take into account any other part of the game like faceoffs, defense, etc.

Hockey is not basketball where a player can carry a team to a cup. The closest we've seen recently is 09 with Malkin and Crosby carrying that Pens squad. The Pens have done a horrible job of building a team around Crosby and Malkin since the back to back cups and should have fired Sullivan 4 to 5 years ago.
 
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Those are the point totals for Ovechkin and Crosby from 2017-2018 to today. Those show that Crosby has contributed to more goals for his team than Ovechkin. This doesn't take into account any other part of the game like faceoffs, defense, etc.

Hockey is not basketball where a player can carry a team to a cup. The closest we've seen recently is 09 with Malkin and Crosby carrying that Pens squad. The Pens have done a horrible job of building a team around Crosby and Malkin since the back to back cups and should have fired Sullivan 4 to 5 years ago.
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I mean if that's how you want to look at it, that's fine.

I do think it's funny that the argument people always use for Crosby is his championships and Smythes and now that Ovi is making the playoffs and Sid isn't suddenly we are using the same argument Caps fans used about why Ovechkin didn't have a cup.

But, I'm not a biased Penguins fan who has a narrative to spell out between Ovechkin and Crosby. Both players are incredible and it doesn't frustrate me that Ovechkin has had more success since he won his cup than Sid.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Nice deflection from Yohe

"Why don't all players get held accountable for their performance?"
"Well this guy sucks bc he was on waivers"

<end of discussion>
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Yeah, complete gaslighting lol.

It's also not lost on me the hilarity of this St Louis Blues squad making the playoffs because they fired their cup winning coach with the same guy that turned Boston into a wagon.
 
Gurglesons said:
I'm not even sure I understand your logic here.

So, I can only criticize us not moving a player if I know firmly what was offered. Nobody knows that but Kyle Dubas.

So, basically in your eyes, nobody can ever criticize a GM for trade value.
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Exactly, so how can you dunk on him for not trading Rakell for "value" at the TDL? You don't know what the offers were. If the best we got was a 2nd and b-prospect, Dubas was very correct in not trading him. But you said that he only has a B- TDL because didn't get value for him. Which I am calling out as BS.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I mean if that's how you want to look at it, that's fine.

I do think it's funny that the argument people always use for Crosby is his championships and Smythes and now that Ovi is making the playoffs and Sid isn't suddenly we are using the same argument Caps fans used about why Ovechkin didn't have a cup.

But, I'm not a biased Penguins fan who has a narrative to spell out between Ovechkin and Crosby. Both players are incredible and it doesn't frustrate me that Ovechkin has had more success since he won his cup than Sid.
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Doesn't contributing significantly more goals to your team prove that you were more impactful?

Also, who had the better regular season records during both teams cup wins?
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17-18
 
They are some 5 or 6 years too late, but finally looks like Pens fans on Twitter/X are turning on Sullivan.

It's been funny to see what media bums like DK (s) and Yohe say and do to defend their beloved coach
 
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Benching Koly is weird, Letang f***s up, so Koly sits, then Koly gets 2 more short shifts in the third but only after Letang, Karlsson and Graves shit the bed, ok cool.

And if Koly sucks so bad as Yohe seems to think, than why is our galaxy brain coach starting him on the first pairing with Letang? If he so obviously sucks so bad, he should be on pairing 3, maybe he needs to sit some more and watch how this incredibly intricate defensive scheme is run, that way he can be ready to jump in like Timmins.
 
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akapidots said:
They are some 5 or 6 years too late, but finally looks like Pens fans on Twitter/X are turning on Sullivan.

It's been funny to see what media bums like DK (s) and Yohe say and do to defend their beloved coach
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Yohe I get though. Being a beat reporter, you need access to insider the org which means players, coaches, and front office. I imagine it would make for a much more difficult relationship if you were blasting Sullivan and Dubas on twitter regularly.
 
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