Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse @ Oilers - 9pm EST

[egelband]

Lemieux just called the OT “a skills competition” lol

Gordie Howe hat trick

 

[aufheben]

I have Boldy 10th on my list, but it’s not hard for me to consider him a dark horse to go as high as fourth, depending on the team.

There’s several guys who we don’t typically see listed third or fourth on most mocks who very easily could hear their names called that early.

And I’m thinking this is more of a fit for the draft thread.

Shouldn't take the remaining games for granted, everyone will be jonesin for even a shit game against the Oilers by July.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

1-9

Someone show me the 1, what happened in the 1

It was Skjei out-waiting everyone in the building (and almost himself)

 

[Nickmo82]

I just woke up and saw the score. I'm pretty sure an audible, anguished groan slipped out. This team is going to loser point it's way into a nice 10OA pick. What a worthless season.

 

[haohmaru]

What is the season record for OT losses? This is a joke.

18

 

[Mike in Houston]

Another solid outing turned in by Georgie. I think the Rangers are going to have to make some tough decisions at that position within the next two years. Especially if Shestyorkin comes over. We know Henrik isn't going anywhere. Georgiev has outplayed him since the ASG no question. I often wonder if Henrik will finish out his Rangers contract as the team's #1 goalie.

 

[TheTakedown]

Another solid outing turned in by Georgie. I think the Rangers are going to have to make some tough decisions at that position within the next two years. Especially if Shestyorkin comes over. We know Henrik isn't going anywhere. Georgiev has outplayed him since the ASG no question. I often wonder if Henrik will finish out his Rangers contract as the team's #1 goalie.

There was always the possibility of Hank not being the starter. He will be on this team though

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers chance if the game goes to OT is in the shootout but trading Zucc didn't help that. So anyway we have to find a way to last out those 5 minutes and then maybe win in the shootout. Last night McDavid just picked us apart. Apart from Zibanejad we don't have top end talent and Mika's not really an elite player on par with guys like McDavid. That talent deficit when it's 3v3 is a huge problem.

 

[eco's bones]

Gordie Howe hat trick

Yes--Lemieux with our first Gordie Howe hat trick and he won his fight too.

 

[Larrybiv]

Yeah, looking like we stole Lemmy out of Winnipeg right now. This guy is a beast. He has more offensive upside than I thought, he could be a 20-20 guy.

Yes. Hopefully they really didn't want to part with him, but Gorton "demanded" he be part of Hayes deal. I am CERTAIN they could have used Lemieux come PO's. Hayes obviously brings more, but Lemieux is no putty tat, and believe he will blossom into much more than Winnipeg had "time" to wait for. They needed Hayes playmaking and PK skills. PK is HUGE in PO's, or is that a secret?

 

[Larrybiv]

Everyone was clamouring about Jackets being "all in", well so was Winnipeg. They paid a nice price for Hayes.

 

[egelband]

I'm really enjoying Lemieux. He really is noticeable on most every shift. he does a great job of getting good body position and fighting through checkers. which really is the name of the game these days.

 

[Miamipuck]

Ultimately at the end of the day you have to. There’s no other alternative.

But admittedly it’s hard not to at least pull for the best odds of being in a position to at least land the Petterssons of the world.

In other words, even without a generational talent, I’d prefer they get as many shots at their first choices as possible, as opposed to the second or third guy on the list.

I don't know how last year's draft will shape up, it's looking pretty good right now. For all the whining and crying about Lias, there was no really good alternative to be picked around where he was, plus he can still pan out he's only f***ing 20! Anyway, my point is the Rangers FO were in on Petterson, Keller and some other higher end players in 2015-2017 etc. If what we have read is true they can identify the talent, the issue is whether or not they're there when the Rangers pick or some other weird situation, like with the Oilers and Pool party and nixing the trade. They have a ton of picks coming up so hopefully they do as well as last year, sans the 2nd round. They really upgraded the prospect pool last year. They keep doing that and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Miamipuck]

Shouldn't take the remaining games for granted, everyone will be jonesin for even a **** game against the Oilers by July.

If you mean by May, you're correct.

 

[Larrybiv]

Yeah his interview was good. Like he was actually answering thoughtfully.

Well we did lose Zuccha and his great interviews (honest and insightful, but more honest) Lemieux was a well thought out replacement......not for Hayes, but for Zuccha's loss.
This guy has "winner" written all over his face and what comes out of his mouth. I already love him on our team.

 

[Edge]

The pattern of the teams that stayed at bottom were teams that:

1. Were not in big markets
2. Had at least one of poor goaltending, defense or coaching
3. Never had winning culture

That is how the Rangers avoid that trap. They have better infrastructure and geography.

Generational players are coming up in 2020 draft btw. For now, the Rangers need to draft smart, and hit on their picks. Sounds obvious but it's true

I'd also add that many teams that stay at the bottom have a difficult time finding talent outside of the first, where you stand at least a decent chance of coming away with someone of value.

Edmonton and Colorado have both struggled immensely to find talent outside the first round, or even outside the top 11 picks in a draft.

When you're not inherently a free agent destination, you HAVE to find depth talent through the draft and via your scouts. A failure to do so has a significant impact on a team's ability to compete.

For a lot of teams, picking in the top can quickly become a crutch. Take a guy most people have on their radar, and you've got a good shot of at least getting something. But teams end up becoming dependent on that approach.

 

[Larrybiv]

Who here thinks we win this game in reg. "If" Tony plays?

I do. Good job Quinn, sacrificing the now, for the future. Now, like I said last night......don't start Hank or Georgy anymore......bring up Huska or Lindblom. Throw them into the fire.

Our goaltending is hurting our positioning.

 

[Edge]

Anyway, my point is the Rangers FO was in on Petterson, Keller and some other higher end players in 2015-2017 etc. If what we have read is true they can identify the talent, the issue is whether or not they're there when the Rangers pick or some other weird situation, like with the Oilers and Pool party and nixing the trade.

That's a key reason why I want them to draft as high as possible - I want them to get their guy, not have to use resources to get there, and be able to use those assets in other ways.

So, at the end of the day, if the cost to move from 7 to 5 is a second round pick, I'm hoping we can get to 5 and either use that second round pick or package for something else. So that's really what I'm focused on right now, more than I am focused on the lottery.

 

[Larrybiv]

Ultimately at the end of the day you have to. There’s no other alternative.

But admittedly it’s hard not to at least pull for the best odds of being in a position to at least land the Petterssons of the world.

In other words, even without a generational talent, I’d prefer they get as many shots at their first choices as possible, as opposed to the second or third guy on the list.

Yes, me too. Just wondering thpugh.....how many of us are forgetting that we will have MULTIPLE 1sts and/or 2nds to play around with. There are/probably will be .......ample opportunity to move seriously UP in the draft after all is said and done.
If they perceive they will get a guy they wanted anyway (depending on where our pick lands) then there is no need and at that point we will still surely land another player or 2 that can be a really good prospect.......but the lower we go, the better our chances....that remains a constant, as constant as our OTL's. Yeah, 1st time in my life, I can't wait for the season to be over (okay, maybe not the 1st), get to the lottery already.

 

[Holocene]

I don't know the right place to ask this but uh I heard there's a HFNYR discord? Anyone wanna pm me a link?

 

[Edge]

Yes, me too. Just wondering thpugh.....how many of us are forgetting that we will have MULTIPLE 1sts and/or 2nds to play around with. There are/probably will be .......ample opportunity to move seriously UP in the draft after all is said and done.
If they perceive they will get a guy they wanted anyway (depending on where our pick lands) then there is no need and at that point we will still surely land another player or 2 that can be a really good prospect.......but the lower we go, the better our chances....that remains a constant, as constant as our OTL's. Yeah, 1st time in my life, I can't wait for the season to be over (okay, maybe not the 1st), get to the lottery already.

I suspect the Rangers will explore a multitude of options at the draft.

Obviously, my preference would be for them to be able the guy they want at 5, have that guy be someone I want as well, and then use those picks to get a mid-first round pick.

In other words, I'd rather land Byram naturally at 5 and package assets for Newhook at 15 than have to use assets to trade up for Byram and be a little short to get Newhook. Just using those two as an example.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I suspect the Rangers will explore a multitude of options at the draft.

Obviously, my preference would be for them to be able the guy they want at 5, have that guy be someone I want as well, and then use those picks to get a mid-first round pick.

In other words, I'd rather land Byram naturally at 5 and package assets for Newhook at 15 than have to use assets to trade up for Byram and be a little short to get Newhook. Just using those two as an example.

If they ended up with Cozens at 5, would your preference remain Newhook mid-first?

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Are comments like this necessary?

I was making a joke at how people on this board already are writing off LA as a bust. Therefore, the next guy we take at 7OA is a bust...

 

[Edge]

If they ended up with Cozens at 5, would your preference remain Newhook mid-first?

Tough to say. My first instinct is to say, I'd probably go with a wing, depending on who's on the board, or maybe a defenseman who's slipped a little.

But the reality is that if I'm picking 17th, and Newhook is somehow sitting there, I smile all the way to the after-party and figure things out later.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Tough to say. My first instinct is to say, I'd probably go with a wing, depending on who's on the board, or maybe a defenseman who's slipped a little.

But the reality is that if I'm picking 17th, and Newhook is somehow sitting there, I smile all the way to the after-party and figure things out later.

I would think the Rangers would have a lot of familiarity with him. So, it’s easy to say he’s on their radar. But who knows.