Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse @ Oilers - 9pm EST

[ElLeetch]

A lot of the teams that really bottomed out hard ended up not being very good, with the exception of Pittsburgh who got Crosby and Malkin.

We're not getting Crosby or Malkin in this draft or likely any other.

I'm fine doing this and picking 7th. You make due with your picks or you don't.

Yes, Pitt got Crosby and Malkin, but Washington got Ovi and Backstrom. Chicago got Towes and Kane.

Those were all bottom-out picks. That also, not coincidentally, the winners of 90% of the last 10 cups.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yes, Pitt got Crosby and Malkin, but Washington got Ovi and Backstrom. Chicago got Towes and Kane.

Those were all bottom-out picks. That also, not coincidentally, the winners of 90% of the last 10 cups.

Of the current contenders, the only teams that didn't live at the bottom for multiple seasons are Nashville and San Jose. Nashville basically got Subban for free and San Jose got EK for a reduced price.

Neither of those teams splurged on UFA's when they sucked.

I refuse to throw Vegas into that category because their situation is unique and not something that we can replicate.

 

[Leonardo87]

Preferably one with an upside down Corona in it. For the reactions, not the results.

LOL, does it have one of those little umbrellas also?

 

[n8]

Georgiev did his best to throw the game leaving the net in the 3rd

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Consider that four teams are tied with 69. If the draft lottery were today, the Rangers would have nearly double the odds of landing a top 3 pick than Buffalo. To say nothing about picking several slots higher without a lottery win.

Montreal, who would currently lead no less than two playoff-bound teams by four points and six points respectively, would also have a remote, but still possible chance at a top-3 pick.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

 

[Larrybiv]

I suspect the Rangers will explore a multitude of options at the draft.

Obviously, my preference would be for them to be able the guy they want at 5, have that guy be someone I want as well, and then use those picks to get a mid-first round pick.

In other words, I'd rather land Byram naturally at 5 and package assets for Newhook at 15 than have to use assets to trade up for Byram and be a little short to get Newhook. Just using those two as an example.

Yup. I hear you. Guess that is was what I was leading to.
If we could get that "one guy" that Gorton really wants with "our lost season's pick", then it "should be" considered a "won" season. Any one of those lower 1st rounders should easily be packaged with a 2nd and maybe a roster player that we could part with to get that.....say 15th pick (like u said) Finding a dancing partner might be the difficult task.
Florida comes to mind.....i don't know why though.

 

[Larrybiv]

So now he's the difference in winning games in regulation...because? Must be due to one of those nice passes from his own zone into the neutral zone. We probably would have won by 5.....

Guess you're being sarcastic, or just don't agree. Thats fine. The teams winning pctg. IS much higher when he plays. Not saying he is God's gift to the NHL, but all I stated was that he "could have" made a difference. IF we truly wanted to win.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

And if they add 'have to win by 2' we're undefeated this year or something like that.

Rangerstown

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Love the attitude.

Want it when we have more talent.

Obviously we can’t control that, but I’ll take their moxy as a contributing factor to a roster that has one of this year’s better talents on it.

Yeah but when we finally buy some talent it's

FIRE QUINNY!

 

[Mandar]

Guess you're being sarcastic, or just don't agree. Thats fine. The teams winning pctg. IS much higher when he plays. Not saying he is God's gift to the NHL, but all I stated was that he "could have" made a difference. IF we truly wanted to win.

Nah....read your post again...you said we win in regulation if he's in there....the "could have" thing never was stated....nor implied.

 

[Machinehead]

Yes, Pitt got Crosby and Malkin, but Washington got Ovi and Backstrom. Chicago got Towes and Kane.

Those were all bottom-out picks. That also, not coincidentally, the winners of 90% of the last 10 cups.

Those teams picked high, yes, and the higher we pick, the better.

But did they outright tank for those picks? In the 2003-04 season, which led up to the Ovechkin draft, the Caps still had Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Gonchar, and Kolzig. They didn't even begin their rebuild until that very trade deadline. They just sucked. So there's a luck element to it. Following that pick the Caps continued to fill out their roster with NHL players and kept some of their veterans. They picked Backstrom 4th which is certainly not unattainable for us. The rebuild lasted exactly 3 years: they had 94 points in Ovechkin's third season.

Chicago, in between the Toews draft and the Kane draft, were even more aggressive. They traded for Vrbata and Sharp (who ended up being a huge piece) and brought in Barnaby and Khabiboulin. They got hit with injuries really hard. The next season they went out and got Martin Havlat.

Neither one was really a case of "we're just going to ice our AHL team." Both of them look more like the quick and aggressive model Gorton has talked about.

I would like to be picking higher but we've gutted this team as much as we should. We're not picking higher because we've gotten off relatively Scott free with injuries and Zibanejad took four steps forward, which is a great thing and accelerates our development.

I don't wanna tank harder than we have. It's not good for the guys already here who I think have learned a lot from Quinn. At some point, you have to let the chips fall where they may.

 

[will1066]

Tank or no tank, we are a powerhouse. Don't forget that.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Those teams picked high, yes, and the higher we pick, the better.

But did they outright tank for those picks? In the 2003-04 season, which led up to the Ovechkin draft, the Caps still had Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Gonchar, and Kolzig. They didn't even begin their rebuild until that very trade deadline. They just sucked. So there's a luck element to it. Following that pick the Caps continued to fill out their roster with NHL players and kept some of their veterans. They picked Backstrom 4th which is certainly not unattainable for us. The rebuild lasted exactly 3 years: they had 94 points in Ovechkin's third season.

Chicago, in between the Toews draft and the Kane draft, were even more aggressive. They traded for Vrbata and Sharp (who ended up being a huge piece) and brought in Barnaby and Khabiboulin. They got hit with injuries really hard. The next season they went out and got Martin Havlat.

Neither one was really a case of "we're just going to ice our AHL team." Both of them look more like the quick and aggressive model Gorton has talked about.

I would like to be picking higher but we've gutted this team as much as we should. We're not picking higher because we've gotten off relatively Scott free with injuries and Zibanejad took four steps forward, which is a great thing and accelerates our development.

I don't wanna tank harder than we have. It's not good for the guys already here who I think have learned a lot from Quinn. At some point, you have to let the chips fall where they may.

I thought you didn't want 94 to be the only cup to occur in your life + in utero?

 

[Machinehead]

I thought you didn't want 94 to be the only cup to occur in your life + in utero?

In Utero is a great album.

 

[ElLeetch]

In Utero is a great album.

Yeah, but Bleach is better.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, but Bleach is better.

Can't go wrong

 

[ThirdEye]

Those teams picked high, yes, and the higher we pick, the better.

But did they outright tank for those picks? In the 2003-04 season, which led up to the Ovechkin draft, the Caps still had Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Gonchar, and Kolzig. They didn't even begin their rebuild until that very trade deadline. They just sucked. So there's a luck element to it. Following that pick the Caps continued to fill out their roster with NHL players and kept some of their veterans. They picked Backstrom 4th which is certainly not unattainable for us. The rebuild lasted exactly 3 years: they had 94 points in Ovechkin's third season.

Chicago, in between the Toews draft and the Kane draft, were even more aggressive. They traded for Vrbata and Sharp (who ended up being a huge piece) and brought in Barnaby and Khabiboulin. They got hit with injuries really hard. The next season they went out and got Martin Havlat.

Neither one was really a case of "we're just going to ice our AHL team." Both of them look more like the quick and aggressive model Gorton has talked about.

I would like to be picking higher but we've gutted this team as much as we should. We're not picking higher because we've gotten off relatively Scott free with injuries and Zibanejad took four steps forward, which is a great thing and accelerates our development.

I don't wanna tank harder than we have. It's not good for the guys already here who I think have learned a lot from Quinn. At some point, you have to let the chips fall where they may.

History is a good indicator of what will happen in the future but it's not an end all be all. Just focus on doing the best with what you have and you'll stumble on success eventually

 

[Machinehead]

History is a good indicator of what will happen in the future but it's not an end all be all. Just focus on doing the best with what you have and you'll stumble on success eventually

I think we're in decent shape.

There's still a ton of work to be done and the next two drafts are massive, but I can see the path.

 

[Larrybiv]

Nah....read your post again...you said we win in regulation if he's in there....the "could have" thing never was stated....nor implied.

Oh, my bad. I was drinking, and sometimes my "thoughts" don't "always" equate to what I type. I know, sounds lame, but really is the truth. And yeah, sometimes I like to predict stuff...but in this case......maybe that wasn't the case.

Back to my statement though.....I asked a simple question. You didn't have to answer it. Seems you have your "issues" with ADA. Seems you distinctly wanted to make it a point that Tony "if he had played" wouldn't possibly" have any bearing on the game......that is your opinion, and u are entitled to it......but, I am allowed mine, and all i did was ask a question.....YOU chose to make this an issue.

 

[Larrybiv]

@Mandar , this the 2nd time you have come at me.(very recently)....is there a problem? Please don't make me take out my PC on you. I have REAL LIFE issues over here, and come here for a little enjoyment. Maybe you are having issues playing your computer games on XBOX? Sorry, I have no time for this. And have spent way too many minutes on this post.

 

[Miamipuck]

For my own sanity, I've kind of just pushed the lottery thing into the back of mind.

It's like a work bonus - I'd be thrilled when the check clears, but until that time I continue to budget based on what I know I have.

So for me, my mind is looking more at guys like Byram, Cozens, Dach and Turcotte than it is Hughes or Kakko.

And part of me doesn't know if being in a prime position to get one of those guys is a good thing or a bad thing. The idea of having Byram on the board and passing is not a pleasant thought. But it's entirely possible, even if the Rangers do find themselves drafting third, or fifth, or sixth.

I haven't seen Byram play, I have seen Hughes, he's about the only top pick I remember watching fro the WJC, I play hockey with a bunch of people that played with Hughes Dad. I think his Dad is from Long Island. .... Anyhow, from what you have said and I have read in different spots, I would love for the Rangers to get a shot at him (Byram, I don't think they have a realistic lottery shot- Hughes/Kakko). If he's nearly as good as advertised and another defenseman or 2 pan out than that's an embarrassment of riches that can really establish the next window for this team.

 

[Edge]

I haven't seen Byram play, I have seen Hughes, he's about the only top pick I remember watching fro the WJC, I play hockey with a bunch of people that played with Hughes Dad. I think his Dad is from Long Island. .... Anyhow, from what you have said and I have read in different spots, I would love for the Rangers to get a shot at him (Byram, I don't think they have a realistic lottery shot- Hughes/Kakko). If he's nearly as good as advertised and another defenseman or 2 pan out than that's an embarrassment of riches that can really establish the next window for this team.

The question for me comes down to the year 2025.

Outside of the top 2 picks, which of the top picks would make us the most dangerous in 2025?

And the answer I arrive at is Bowen Byram.

Of course he doesn’t solve all our problems, no one will. Yes, there are other amazing prospects I would be happy to have.

But if Byram hits on his potential, our blueline could be an embarrassment of riches. We’re talking about a scenario where Byram and Miller can eat close to 60 minutes of ice time. Where ADA, Lundkvist and Keane are manning the right side, where guys like Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov/Etc. are being rolled out on a third pairing or moved for help in other areas. These guys patrolling in front of Shesterkin, Georgiev, or whoever emerges as our starting goalie.

Outside of Hughes and Kakko, I’m not sure anyone else has that deep of an impact on our roster. And that says something when you consider the talent that is available.

 

[Miamipuck]

The question for me comes down to the year 2025.

Outside of the top 2 picks, which of the top picks would make us the most dangerous in 2025?

And the answer I arrive at is Bowen Byram.

Of course he doesn’t solve all our problems, no one will. Yes, there are other amazing prospects I would be happy to have.

But if Byram hits on his potential, our blueline could be an embarrassment of riches. We’re talking about a scenario where Byram and Miller can eat close to 60 minutes of ice time. Where ADA, Lundkvist and Keane are manning the right side, where guys like Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov/Etc. are being rolled out on a third pairing or moved for help in other areas. These guys patrolling in front of Shesterkin, Georgiev, or whoever emerges as our starting goalie.

Outside of Hughes and Kakko, I’m not sure anyone else has that deep of an impact on our roster. And that says something when you consider the talent that is available.

Yes, you have that kind of blueline, the rest of the team will fall into place quite a bit easier. Heck the Rangers will still have a ton of picks to utilize on forwards. Plus there's always next draft as well. One can dream if and when we do not get the first two picks. Heck the result maybe just as good if not better.

 

[Edge]

Yes, you have that kind of blueline, the rest of the team will fall into place quite a bit easier. Heck the Rangers will still have a ton of picks to utilize on forwards. Plus there's always next draft as well. One can dream if and when we do not get the first two picks. Heck the result maybe just as good if not better.

I love guys like Cozens, Dach and Turcotte. I really do.

But I also see them being very close to that same level as a Zibanejad, and most likely playing second line center behind him --- at least for a while. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's not a bad thing by any stretch.

But when I see Byram, I see a kid who has the potential to be our best defenseman. A guy who the rest of the defense falls in place around.

I think Byram has a better chance to someday be counted among the best 10 or so defenseman in the league. I'm not sure I quite I see those same odds with the other forwards outside of Hughes and Kakko.