OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[Ugene Magic]

This team isn't even intriguing.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Man, TJ Watt has to know the Steelers have no chance at competing for Championships. It's a good thing the money keeps him going because I would have tapped out of this shit show.

Hope Kahn is proactive and moves Watt for a couple of firsts in the off-season.

Then he can actually win a playoff game and Steelers can have pieces to rebuild or whatever you do during Tomlin Purgatory.

Tomlin is just setting this season up for another come from behind mediocre winning season.

Wait and see his genius plan come to fruition.

Gonna feel so stoopid.

 

[Night Shift]

Tomlin is just setting this season up for another come from behind mediocre winning season.

Wait and see his genius plan come to fruition.

Gonna feel so stoopid.

The sheep fall for it every time and in the offseason: "next year will different, we had momentum to close out the year" hur dur

 

[Coastal Kev]

Amazing Factoid:

Beginning when the Steelers hired Chuck Noll in 1969, they never went longer than 4 seasons for a playoff win..........until now. Currently sitting at 6 years, quickly headed to 7.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Cancelled sunday ticket. Cant spend 500$ on watching this each week

…isn’t it already a sunk cost by now? It’s not like you pay for it by the game or by month, right? Don’t you have to just pay for the whole season upfront anyway?

 

[Shaftception]

Mike Tomlin: "On offense, man, it's like we talked about it the early portions of the week, that's a fundamentalist group. They do a really good job of minimizing splash and making you operate and making you be efficient. And to be quite honest, we weren't efficient enough. We didn't minimize enough negativity. We didn't stay on schedule enough and so drives get stalled or you settle for field goals and so it was a perfect storm for us offensively and defensively from that perspective."

Everyone already knows this, but these quotes are just further evidence that he's a decade behind the times.

All he can do to somewhat explain the offensive ineptitude is speak in generic platitudes like efficiency, splash plays, minimizing negative outcomes, staying on schedule (what in the hell does that even mean?) etc. Basically saying a lot of nothing of substance.

You'll never get him to actually explain the purpose of certain routes or play designs and how they lead to mismatches or how they create open space or advantage your players over theirs, because he doesn't actually know.

They so badly need an infusion of younger, up to date coaching, preferably from the Shanahan tree if any more even exist out there.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

…isn’t it already a sunk cost by now? It’s not like you pay for it by the game or by month, right? Don’t you have to just pay for the whole season upfront anyway?

I signed up for it today. The first bunch of games were all national tv so i figured save alittle and pick it up when the games werent on tv.

 

[Shaftception]

Hope Kahn is proactive and moves Watt for a couple of firsts in the off-season.

Then he can actually win a playoff game and Steelers can have pieces to rebuild or whatever you do during Tomlin Purgatory.

If it's possible for Cowherd's ego to get any bigger it has to have ballooned after this game.

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

Everyone already knows this, but these quotes are just further evidence that he's a decade behind the times.

All he can do to somewhat explain the offensive ineptitude is speak in generic platitudes like efficiency, splash plays, minimizing negative outcomes, staying on schedule (what in the hell does that even mean?) etc. Basically saying a lot of nothing of substance.

You'll never get him to actually explain the purpose of certain routes or play designs and how they lead to mismatches or how they create open space or advantage your players over theirs, because he doesn't actually know.

They so badly need an infusion of younger, up to date coaching, preferably from the Shanahan tree if any more even exist out there.

That’s his whole MO. Tomlin is like that person at work who always sounds like they know what they’re talking about but then they turn in their project and it’s a mess

 

[Josey Wales]

32 offensive TDs in last 21 games

 

[TimmyD]

Did he actually say this?

Get him the f**** out of here. I'm so tired of his mediocrity.



The exact wrong thing to do. We should have run up and sneaked it immediately.

Canada sucks but no doubt that sequence is on Mike Tomlin.

What’s crazy is that if he didn’t say that, it’s absolutely something you would think he would say

 

[Andy99]

Josh Dobbs is playing 10 times better against the 9ers than Pickett did lmao

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Guessing pickets done for the year

 

[Flying Dego]

Josh Dobbs is playing 10 times better against the 9ers than Pickett did lmao

It is so obvious that our coaching and schemes are getting obliterated. Everyone looks mediocre to horrific. If KP is out extended why are we waiting to can Canada?

He's paced at a worse rate of scoring than the Kent Graham year in a LOWER scoring Era LOL. It's asinine.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Josh Dobbs is playing 10 times better against the 9ers than Pickett did lmao

It's the chicken or the egg argument. What do you think Brock Purdy stats are playing under this coaching staff, with very little protection or offensive gameplan.

farts in spanish

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

I obviously think Canada sucks but when Pickett spazzes out in the pocket, when he misses wide open receivers and checks down. That's not on Canada.

The Steelers are in serious trouble. Jets level trouble. Good enough D to be out of the running for a great QB but abysmal offense.

Teams have moved on from higher 1st Rd QBs than Pickett after two years in the league. And if he's out longer term they'll have less time to make a decision on it. To me I think he sucks and they need to find another option but you have a really suck to get a franchise QB and they're just good enough to not get what they need. Maybe there's a mid round guy there but they can't miss again.

I guess maybe an option is to fire Canada now and see what you can get out of Pickett the rest of the year.

 

[Flying Dego]

It's the chicken or the egg argument. What do you think Brock Purdy stats are playing under this coaching staff, with very little protection or offensive gameplan.

farts in spanish

That's my biggest gripe here. So our scenario is we limp through this year then fire Canada. Then you need to give KP year 3 with a new OC to see if he can be a starter...

We essentially are delaying any hope of success. Cause we don't know if we need to get a new QB and start this charade all over.

 

[Smoke]

extend Canada

The standard is the standard

 

[Empoleon8771]

At this point, this is not an either/or with the offense for who sucks. Canada sucks, Pickett sucks, Najee sucks and the OL sucks. Hell, I'm even turning on the WR group as well, they seem comically overrated for how hyped they were in the off-season. It's a toxic situation all around, one that I honestly don't know how you can get out of. There is not a single thing this organization can do that fixes their issues on offense, the issues are deeply entrained and will take multiple years of correct roster management to address.

This is all frustrating because the team put themselves down this path when they decided to go "all in" on Ben's last year in 2021. The OL had gone to garbage in the past few years, with their entire elite OL from 2017 (Villanueva, Foster, DeCastro, Pouncey and Gilbert) being gone from the team after the 2020 season. Their OL by the 2020 season was already bad because the guys left from that 2017 group had regressed significantly. With a completely empty OL, what did they decide to do in the 2021 draft? Draft a f***ing RB with their 1st round pick. That is the point where the Steelers set themselves on the path to where they are today. The Steelers did the same exact thing in 2022, just plug Pickett in for Ben and don't do anything to actually address the issues on the team.

I think Pickett and Harris are both lower tier starters at their respective positions, but both were put in a position to fail by an arrogant organization refusing to admit they need to rebuild. How do you expect Harris to have success with such a garbage run blocking OL? How do you expect Pickett to have success with no running game and a dunce offensive coordinator? Both have absolutely stunk on their own, but the team did them no favors.

Ultimately, the only way out of the purgatory they've put themselves in is either to tear it down or get insanely lucky. I don't know which one of those I'd put more as unlikely, because this team is way too arrogant to tear it down.

 

[metalan2]

Pickens drops multiple passes a game too. Freiermuth isn't elite and all of our elite offensive weapons look terrible.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The sheep fall for it every time and in the offseason: "next year will different, we had momentum to close out the year" hur dur

If it's possible for Cowherd's ego to get any bigger it has to have ballooned after this game.

Ya I’m done humoring anyone who thinks Tomlin is anything by a middling coach ther got lucky enough to be hired by Rooney.

I obviously think Canada sucks but when Pickett spazzes out in the pocket, when he misses wide open receivers and checks down. That's not on Canada.

The Steelers are in serious trouble. Jets level trouble. Good enough D to be out of the running for a great QB but abysmal offense.

Teams have moved on from higher 1st Rd QBs than Pickett after two years in the league. And if he's out longer term they'll have less time to make a decision on it. To me I think he sucks and they need to find another option but you have a really suck to get a franchise QB and they're just good enough to not get what they need. Maybe there's a mid round guy there but they can't miss again.

I guess maybe an option is to fire Canada now and see what you can get out of Pickett the rest of the year.

They won’t be in position to draft a top 5 talent but Tomlin has basically shit this year away with finding out who KP is.

At this point, this is not an either/or with the offense for who sucks. Canada sucks, Pickett sucks, Najee sucks and the OL sucks. Hell, I'm even turning on the WR group as well, they seem comically overrated for how hyped they were in the off-season. It's a toxic situation all around, one that I honestly don't know how you can get out of. There is not a single thing this organization can do that fixes their issues on offense, the issues are deeply entrained and will take multiple years of correct roster management to address.

This is all frustrating because the team put themselves down this path when they decided to go "all in" on Ben's last year in 2021. The OL had gone to garbage in the past few years, with their entire elite OL from 2017 (Villanueva, Foster, DeCastro, Pouncey and Gilbert) being gone from the team after the 2020 season. Their OL by the 2020 season was already bad because the guys left from that 2017 group had regressed significantly. With a completely empty OL, what did they decide to do in the 2021 draft? Draft a f***ing RB with their 1st round pick. That is the point where the Steelers set themselves on the path to where they are today. The Steelers did the same exact thing in 2022, just plug Pickett in for Ben and don't do anything to actually address the issues on the team.

I think Pickett and Harris are both lower tier starters at their respective positions, but both were put in a position to fail by an arrogant organization refusing to admit they need to rebuild. How do you expect Harris to have success with such a garbage run blocking OL? How do you expect Pickett to have success with no running game and a dunce offensive coordinator? Both have absolutely stunk on their own, but the team did them no favors.

Ultimately, the only way out of the purgatory they've put themselves in is either to tear it down or get insanely lucky. I don't know which one of those I'd put more as unlikely, because this team is way too arrogant to tear it down.

Tomlin Purgatory means never being bad enough to have a shot at the elite QBs so don’t bother hoping.

Tomlin would f*** up the development of any QB they draft anyway - someone has to be brain dead not to see who he is by now.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I will state this again - Matt Canada was woefully unqualified, and hell...anti-qualified for this job. That he was handed it is a reflection on 2 men: Rooney with his Pitt obsession and his cheapness, and Tomlin preferring C-player OCs and also giving a kickback for his son's scholarship.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Tomlin and Canada:

 

[Shrimper]

Canada should be fired this week. But they won't. They'll waste another season on him

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The Steelers under Tomlin.