OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[Mr Jiggyfly]

But did that have to do with Tomlin or Ben. The difference between BA and Haley was minimal, IMO. Fichtner was just kind of an extension of Haley with a declining Ben. This is the first time Tomlin has had a different QB, so I guess we'll see. Canada taking steps back this offseason by saying "I just do what I'm told" after we all were fed the bullshit that CANADA'S OFFENSE needed 3 years to implement. It's all very catawampus to me. I get keeping Canada just for the sake of KP having continuity from year to year.



I'm excited too, and I do agree with overpaying guys, but I'm not a believer of this offense. I'm cautiously optimistic. This offense and defense should be top 10. No excuses, in my opinion.

Ya the Canada stuff seems like he’s already scapegoating Tomlin, but it’s possible he knows his ass is on the line so he no longer cares about playing politics.

It’s really weird though to hear an OC make a subtle shift of the blame onto the HC.

If Canada fails again, it doesn’t matter about the blame game, because if he is just doing what he’s told, or it’s just an excuse, it will be on Tomlin for letting it happen for a third year in a row.

 

[Rossi Rat]

If you’re a Steeler fan it’s time to let your college team allegiance go.
Like Pitt fans have done with muth and Jpj

Him doing well means the Steelers will do well, which I’m not opposed to at all.

I just find some gross overreactions about him annoying. But whatever, the season is finally almost here and we’ll see if he’s for real or not. Let’s see if he can throw more than 1 TD in a game for starters.

More truth here… I don’t get it.

https://x.com/markmaddenx/status/1691422807081508864?s=46&t=fPqjFuG2GhqaQuPKHlWV6Q

 

[The Old Master]

Him doing well means the Steelers will do well, which I’m not opposed to at all.

I just find some gross overreactions about him annoying. But whatever, the season is finally almost here and we’ll see if he’s for real or not. Let’s see if he can throw more than 1 TD in a game for starters.

More truth here… I don’t get it.

https://x.com/markmaddenx/status/1691422807081508864?s=46&t=fPqjFuG2GhqaQuPKHlWV6Q

it's just what happens when you have way too much time on your hands and a too small brain to come up with anything meaningful.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Him doing well means the Steelers will do well, which I’m not opposed to at all.

I just find some gross overreactions about him annoying. But whatever, the season is finally almost here and we’ll see if he’s for real or not. Let’s see if he can throw more than 1 TD in a game for starters.

More truth here… I don’t get it.

https://x.com/markmaddenx/status/1691422807081508864?s=46&t=fPqjFuG2GhqaQuPKHlWV6Q

When I watched KP’s film before the draft last year, I didn’t let how much I despise Pitt cloud my judgement.

I saw a guy who I felt would be a hell of a QB in the NFL and even if I didn’t get my wish of the Steelers drafting him, I would have wanted to see him do well.

As for Madden’s tweet, he’s assuming on field accomplishments will automatically make people like Roth more than KP, which is not really accurate.

Roth had a reputation of being a huge prick at Miami and his rookie year in Pgh had tons of rumors flying around that he was a d-bag. Lots of stories were flying around that he rubbed his teammates the wrong way as well.

He was also known for being kind of lazy and not a big film guy.

Then the alleged rape accusations made him into a villain in many people’s eyes.

KP by almost accounts is the antithesis of Roth… hard working, loved by his teammates, and a much more affable personality.

So if he seems more well liked in Pgh than Roth it’s not exactly a shock.

If he starts losing or choking in the playoffs, people will turn on him though, much like Neil OD, Stewart and Maddox found out.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I don't see that being true at all. Ben was hugely popular after his first season and was a rock star after winning the SB in 2006. But it took a hit after he wrecked his bike after the SB and the 2007 season and then we know what happened the next few years.

Social media and smart phones didn't exist then, so the hairdryer of social reaction is not a 1:1 comparison.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Anything less than a play off win is a disappointment but Tomlin isn’t going anywhere. Austin is not going anywhere

Disagree about Austin. He could definitely be on the hot seat if his unit doesn't perform

Agree on MT- he's not going anywhere

 

[JTG]

When I watched KP’s film before the draft last year, I didn’t let how much I despise Pitt cloud my judgement.

I saw a guy who I felt would be a hell of a QB in the NFL and even if I didn’t get my wish of the Steelers drafting him, I would have wanted to see him do well.

As for Madden’s tweet, he’s assuming on field accomplishments will automatically make people like Roth more than KP, which is not really accurate.

Roth had a reputation of being a huge prick at Miami and his rookie year in Pgh had tons of rumors flying around that he was a d-bag. Lots of stories were flying around that he rubbed his teammates the wrong way as well.

He was also known for being kind of lazy and not a big film guy.

Then the alleged rape accusations made him into a villain in many people’s eyes.

KP by almost accounts is the antithesis of Roth… hard working, loved by his teammates, and a much more affable personality.

So if he seems more well liked in Pgh than Roth it’s not exactly a shock.

If he starts losing or choking in the playoffs, people will turn on him though, much like Neil OD, Stewart and Maddox found out.

I live in the same community where Ben bought his house after he left Washington's Landing. People around here know all about the Ben-a-paloozas. NDAs were signed and phones were confiscated at the gate.

KP isn't anywhere near the skill as Ben, but you don't feel like you're cheering for a piece of shit when you're cheering for KP, which is nice.

I don't see that being true at all. Ben was hugely popular after his first season and was a rock star after winning the SB in 2006. But it took a hit after he wrecked his bike after the SB and the 2007 season and then we know what happened the next few years.

Social media and smart phones didn't exist then, so the hairdryer of social reaction is not a 1:1 comparison.

Jiggy's account is pretty accurate, actually.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don't see that being true at all. Ben was hugely popular after his first season and was a rock star after winning the SB in 2006. But it took a hit after he wrecked his bike after the SB and the 2007 season and then we know what happened the next few years.

Social media and smart phones didn't exist then, so the hairdryer of social reaction is not a 1:1 comparison.

Media existed back then, including the internet and message boards.

This wasn’t the 70s.

There were plenty of rumors about his boorish behavior and articles written alluding to Roth’s abrasive personality.

I constantly ran in to people who met him and thought he was a douche.

It wasn’t exactly fun to hear the new star QB may be a dick, but that stuff was most definitely out there.

Aside from that, Madden’s tweet is in the present where phones and Snapface do exist.

It’s now known Roth was douchey and lazy, and people’s most recent memories of him are of a broken down QB playing out the string his last couple seasons.

KP is the fresh faced hope that hasn’t failed yet, the guy that has a rep for his hard work and being a friendly, good natured dude.

Not exactly surprising who is more well liked currently.

 

[xlm34]

Personally I definitely like Pickett a lot more than I liked Roethlisberger. He’ll more than likely never have the career Roethlisberger had but he’ll be a hell of a lot easier of a person to root for.

Madden’s disliked Pickett since before he was even drafted because of where he went to school. And now that Steelers fans are excited about him, he has to play the heel because that’s his whole schtick.

 

[Peat]

As someone who didn't grow up being part of Pittsburgh sports fandom at all and doesn't have a bunch of emotions involved any directions, it's a lot easier getting onboard with rooting for Pickett than it is Big Ben. Dude needs to play as well but you want him to. Ben, eh.

Doesn't hurt either that within the limitations of what the coaches have allowed, I think Pickett's played pretty well, and so do a bunch of non-Steelers people who know the game a ton more than me.

 

[OnMyOwn]

It would be silly to expect another HOF caliber QB immediately after just having one. We just need KP to be good and have an excellent supporting cast.

 

[MrBrightside]

Yeah I don't think that Ben being an unlikable douchebag was a hidden concept. That was definitely the conventional wisdom around here in his first several years.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Him doing well means the Steelers will do well, which I’m not opposed to at all.

I just find some gross overreactions about him annoying. But whatever, the season is finally almost here and we’ll see if he’s for real or not. Let’s see if he can throw more than 1 TD in a game for starters.

More truth here… I don’t get it.

https://x.com/markmaddenx/status/1691422807081508864?s=46&t=fPqjFuG2GhqaQuPKHlWV6Q

"let's see him throw more than 1 td in a game"

This is such rudimentary analysis.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

MM likes to stir the pot with likable guys until they inevitably fall. He did the same with JuJu who was obv a fan favorite at first. If Kenny doesn’t turn out great, MM can pound his chest. If he does, MM can be a heel and provoke discussion/publicity for 15 years.

He’s mainly going at KP because KP won’t do his show.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

MM likes to stir the pot with likable guys until they inevitably fall. He did the same with JuJu who was obv a fan favorite at first. If Kenny doesn’t turn out great, MM can pound his chest. If he does, MM can be a heel and provoke discussion/publicity for 15 years.

He’s mainly going at KP because KP won’t do his show.

And people who don't know how to make their minds up for themselves inevitably play along.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

MM likes to stir the pot with likable guys until they inevitably fall. He did the same with JuJu who was obv a fan favorite at first. If Kenny doesn’t turn out great, MM can pound his chest. If he does, MM can be a heel and provoke discussion/publicity for 15 years.

He’s mainly going at KP because KP won’t do his show.

That’s basically the reality and Madden is just salty.

Pgh has turned on every notable QB from
Bradshaw all the way to Roth, with guys like Neil O’D, Stewart and Maddox in between feeling Yinzer venom to various degrees.

I hate to write it, but KP will not escape the same fate at some point.

Then Madden can pound his chest and pretend like he knew something the rest of us didn’t.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Madden never asked Pickett to be on his show. Doesn’t need him.

 

[UnrealMachine]

That’s basically the reality and Madden is just salty.

Pgh has turned on every notable QB from
Bradshaw all the way to Roth, with guys like Neil O’D, Stewart and Maddox in between feeling Yinzer venom to various degrees.

I hate to write it, but KP will not escape the same fate at some point.

Then Madden can pound his chest and pretend like he knew something the rest of us didn’t.

His endless rants about Hines Ward didn’t age well. He even wrote a semi-apology about it a couple years back. Funny how his game performance complaints about him quickly shrink to zero: Mark Madden: An open letter to Hines Ward

 

[MrBrightside]

His endless rants about every successful black athlete don't age well. Cutch, Ward, Stargell, JuJu, AB, Bettis - it never ends.

 

[Coastal Kev]

It would be silly to expect another HOF caliber QB immediately after just having one. We just need KP to be good and have an excellent supporting cast.

If look at Ben's career form 2011 on, he wouldn't be an HOF'r. I loved Ben, but he left a lot of meat on the bone and was equally if not more responsible for their drought in the playoffs as Tomlin.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

His endless rants about Hines Ward didn’t age well. He even wrote a semi-apology about it a couple years back. Funny how his game performance complaints about him quickly shrink to zero: Mark Madden: An open letter to Hines Ward

At least he apologized sort of.

Madden never asked Pickett to be on his show. Doesn’t need him.

KP is pretty easily the most popular pro athlete in Pgh right now.

If he’s never been on Madden’s show, I severely doubt it’s because Madden decided not to have him on.

 

[Rossi Rat]

His endless rants about every successful black athlete don't age well. Cutch, Ward, Stargell, JuJu, AB, Bettis - it never ends.

Madden has hated on plenty of white athletes too - TJ Watt the prime example.

At least he apologized sort of.



KP is pretty easily the most popular pro athlete in Pgh right now.

If he’s never been on Madden’s show, I severely doubt it’s because Madden decided not to have him on.

Madden has had, pretty easily, the most popular radio show in Pittsburgh not just right now, but for the past ~25 years.

And I don’t agree with the guy on everything, but there are some very good points he makes especially regarding the Steelers.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

KP is pretty easily the most popular pro athlete in Pgh right now.

You think over Sid and TJ? I don’t live in the Burgh but that’s interesting.

 

[OnMyOwn]

You think over Sid and TJ? I don’t live in the Burgh but that’s interesting.

I’d say over sid, simply because there are a lot more steeler fans than penguin fans.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Madden has hated on plenty of white athletes too - TJ Watt the prime example.

Madden has had, pretty easily, the most popular radio show in Pittsburgh not just right now, but for the past ~25 years.

And I don’t agree with the guy on everything, but there are some very good points he makes especially regarding the Steelers.

Hating on a few white athletes doesn’t even out his disproportionate fear and misunderstanding of successful black athletes and their culture. He seriously takes it to an uncomfortable and awkward level with how he obsesses over a few black athletes who, in his mind, have the audacity to advocate for themselves and their career. Sports are a f***ing business, and you’d think a self-proclaimed super genius would be able to comprehend something that simple, yet here we (still) are.