GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread - Training Camp is Upon Us

[bigdaddyk88]

The guy who invents things people wrote and claims he has evidence BR is a rapist tipping his hat to me means little in my books - but thx (j/k I really I don’t care).

A fraud is a fraud, just like DB was a fraud, but I guess Crosby just didn’t work hard enough or watch enough film or something.



It’s interesting that a guy who has thrown for the seventh most passing yards all time is a game manager… almost like you are making shit up…

Oh wait you are.

Let’s take away the 24 points Roth gave up and what do ya know.. the fraud calling the D has still let up 66 points in his last two playoff games against legends like Blake Bortles and Mayfield.

You would think 42 points at home would be enough to beat Blake Bortles, but you would be wrong.

It’s almost like Tomlin teams play confused on both sides of the ball in the playoffs… can’t quite put my finger on what would cause that..?

If only BR could have thrown 3 picks like Brady did agt GB in the championship game and had his defense help him out a little.

Tomlin Ds don’t roll like that in the playoffs though.

Bummer.

We are talking about playoff success who cares about racking up yards in the regular season. In the 3 wins in 10 years, like I said he has a total of 3 tds. In the playoffs he is 34 tds and 28 interceptions with a QB rating of 86 in 22 starts. He is the king of mop of stats.
Crunching the Numbers: Big stats and playoff wins don’t always go together - Behind the Steel Curtain

 

[Night Shift]

So you are saying he wore out his welcome, but he is not a "clown fraud."

That is at least a reasonable middle ground.

No he's a clown. Only team to give up 90 total plus points in two home playoff games. Only play off team to score 40 or more at home and lose. And I'm sure getting outcoached by a team that didn't have a head coach on the sidelines (covid) last year is up there

And he was outcoached by Clevelands OC cuz he took over for Butler.

 

[Night Shift]

We are talking about playoff success who cares about racking up yards in the regular season. In the 3 wins in 10 years, like I said he has a total of 3 tds. In the playoffs he is 34 tds and 28 interceptions with a QB rating of 86 in 22 starts. He is the king of mop of stats.
Crunching the Numbers: Big stats and playoff wins don’t always go together - Behind the Steel Curtain

And Clowns playoff success? You are making it easy

 

[ChaosAgent]

The guy who invents things people wrote and claims he has evidence BR is a rapist tipping his hat to me means little in my books - but thx (j/k I really I don’t care).

A fraud is a fraud, just like DB was a fraud, but I guess Crosby just didn’t work hard enough or watch enough film or something.

Crosby played better for DB than Ben could ever dream of comparatively speaking.

You using them in the same breath shows how you overrate Ben to a comical degree. Ben is closer to Johnny Toews or something (if Johnny Toews raped someone in a bathroom stall.)

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We are talking about playoff success who cares about racking up yards in the regular season. In the 3 wins in 10 years, like I said he has a total of 3 tds. In the playoffs he is 34 tds and 28 interceptions with a QB rating of 86 in 22 starts. He is the king of mop of stats.
Crunching the Numbers: Big stats and playoff wins don’t always go together - Behind the Steel Curtain

A game manager doesn’t throw for the 7th most yards all time, no matter what stats you want to deflect with.

I’m still waiting for you to solve the mystery why Tomlin playoff teams are confused and in disarray on both sides of the ball… I bet you can figure this one out if you really try.

How come Brady could have a horrendous championship game and still win?

We need to get to the bottom of these great mysteries!

The answer is clearly because Sidney Crosby had to work harder and watch more film under DB!

 

[Night Shift]

Clown 1 one and done away from a losing playoff record. He sits at 8-8. I swear I think it's his favorite number

 

[ChaosAgent]

Game Managers can't throw for a lot of career yards!!!!

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Crosby played better for DB than Ben could ever dream of comparatively speaking.

You using them in the same breath shows how you overrate Ben to a comical degree. Ben is closer to Johnny Toews or something (if Johnny Toews raped someone in a bathroom stall.)

Wait so if someone as great and hard working as Crosby almost had his legacy ruined under a fraud coach…

Guess you don’t have time to contemplate that or anything seeing as how you are soon going to reveal to the world your empirical Milledgeville evidence.

I can’t wait until you tell us what really happened at Dyatlov Pass.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Wait so if someone as great and hard working as Crosby almost had his legacy ruined under a fraud coach…

Guess you don’t have time to contemplate that or anything seeing as how you are soon going to reveal to the world your empirical Milledgeville evidence.

I can’t wait until you tell us what really happened at Dyatlov Pass.

Crosby's legacy wasn't ruined. He was the best player in the world for the majority of his career.

Ben was the 4th-8th best quarterback during the era of Brady/Belichick. Could he have had more success? Yes. Has it skewed his legacy at all? Not really. He's a FBHOF as you said. Did he deserve more success? Not on the basis of his play during the playoffs. Unless you think Tomlin was calling the plays I guess; throw it on the Tomlin blame pile for the Jiggs.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Crosby's legacy wasn't ruined. He was the best player in the world for the majority of his career.

Ben was the 4th-8th best quarterback during the era of Brady/Belichick. Could he have had more success? Yes. Has it skewed his legacy at all? Not really. He's a FBHOF as you said. Did he deserve more success? Not on the basis of his play during the playoffs. Unless you think Tomlin was calling the plays I guess; throw it on the Tomlin blame pile for the Jiggs.

Guess you had a little nap from 2010-15 when people were calling for Crosby’s C and saying he was a one hit wonder?

It wasn’t DB fault… it was Crosby’s fault because he was a shitty leader and wasn’t an all time great.

Weird what happened when the fraud was removed.

Almost like bad coaches can f*** things up for even the best of players.

 

[Night Shift]

I remember when ppl were upset bylsma was fired. It had to be done. Just like its time for Clown to go somewhere else, get exposed and out of the league just like Bylsma

 

[ChaosAgent]

Guess you had a little nap from 2010-15 when people were calling for Crosby’s C and saying he was a one hit wonder?

It wasn’t DB fault… it was Crosby’s fault because he was a shitty leader and wasn’t an all time great.

Weird what happened when the fraud was removed.

Almost like bad coaches can f*** things up for even the best of players.

You're saying "People" - like you realize that opinions of athletes are on a spectrum?

"People" think Crosby is bad. Well many more people thought Crosby was really, really, really good. He was voted as such myriad times. Crosby is a top-10 player in the history of his sport. Ben is in the...what, top 20 of his own position?

Ben is not at the stature in which you say the org screwed him by not being more successful. He isn't Lebron on the Cavs. He isn't Rodgers on the Packers. He isn't Ray Bourque. He isn't McDavid. He isn't Crosby.

I've wanted to let Tomlin move on probably since 2017 when the Patriots embarrassed the Steelers again. That's a separate point from "woe is Ben Roethlisberger, who did everything he could during his prime but was held back by a terrible coach." Ben has gotten a great deal from the Steelers organization as a player. Truly 1% players (and Ben isn't in that category but since you insist on the Crosby comparison we'll go with it) are almost always going to be better than their coaches and their teammates. That's the nature of being a great player. That's why you make a quarter of a billion dollars over your career.

 

[lastcupever75]

This right here shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Jacksonville was in the AFC title game with Bortles. They also had the best defense in football and when push came to shove they needed their non franchise qb to make a play in the final minutes he came up short and failed because he just wasn’t that good….sounds like 2 guys in the Steelers roster currently

to be fair, bortles did come up with big plays the week before facing you know who's defense.
just like tebow did years earlier

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You're saying "People" - like you realize that opinions of athletes are on a spectrum?

"People" think Crosby is bad. Well many more people thought Crosby was really, really, really good. He was voted as such myriad times. Crosby is a top-10 player in the history of his sport. Ben is in the...what, top 20 of his own position?

Ben is not at the stature in which you say the org screwed him by not being more successful. He isn't Lebron on the Cavs. He isn't Rodgers on the Packers. He isn't Ray Bourque. He isn't McDavid. He isn't Crosby.

I've wanted to let Tomlin move on probably since 2017 when the Patriots embarrassed the Steelers again. That's a separate point from "woe is Ben Roethlisberger, who did everything he could during his prime but was held back by a terrible coach." Ben has gotten a great deal from the Steelers organization as a player. Truly 1% players (and Ben isn't in that category but since you insist on the Crosby comparison we'll go with it) are almost always going to be better than their coaches and their teammates. That's the nature of being a great player. That's why you make a quarter of a billion dollars over your career.

So basically ya, you napped through 2011-15.

Crosby’s legacy was threatened by DB incompetence, despite you imitating Rip Van Winkle.

If a top five all time great couldn’t overcome inept coaching, how exactly is BR suppose to?

And hey keep up the strawmans - it’s like your thing and you gotta do you!

 

[ChaosAgent]

So basically ya, you napped through 2011-15.

Crosby’s legacy was threatened by DB incompetence, despite you imitating Rip Van Winkle.

If a top five all time great couldn’t overcome inept coaching, how exactly is BR suppose to?

And hey keep up the strawmans - it’s like your thing and you gotta do you!

You're saying the world Strawman like a cudgel. Kinda a dumb cudgel. Oh well.

I'm not mischaracterizing your position one iota. You think the organization should have treated Ben better by firing Tomlin and that he would have done better with almost everyone else since Tomlin is a clown.

That is your position, is it not?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

A game manager doesn’t throw for the 7th most yards all time, no matter what stats you want to deflect with.

I’m still waiting for you to solve the mystery why Tomlin playoff teams are confused and in disarray on both sides of the ball… I bet you can figure this one out if you really try.

How come Brady could have a horrendous championship game and still win?

We need to get to the bottom of these great mysteries!

The answer is clearly because Sidney Crosby had to work harder and watch more film under DB!

Ben has Colbert said is the unquestioned leader of the locker room when he resigned him in 2017 after firing Haley and Ben threw AB under the bus. Ben is the offense he is responsible for the offense that’s why he is paid. If he needed more help than he should have took less money so they can provide him with help. Tomlin did nothing with the offense he left that to the franchise guy. Ben always hand picked his OC cause he wants to run what he wants to run. You trust your highest paid employee to earn there money in the highest moments.
Tomlin should definitely be blamed on the defense crapping the bed in the playoffs. Against Jacksonville even without Shazzier who they built the defense around should not have given up 35 points to a top 5 offense that year. The offense took almost the entire first half off.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Oh yeah Jiggles.

What exactly is Ben's "True Stature in the game" versus his "Tomlin adjusted stature?"

Where do you think he resides in the Pantheon versus where you think he is actually ending up.

I'll give some names. You say higher or lower:
Brees
Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Brady
Kurt Warner
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Flacco

Name me a player who you think is higher-regarded that Ben unjustifiably because Ben was hampered by Tomlin. Or sorry, is that a Strawman question too? Amazing how many things we can label "Strawman." Off to the Strawman golf course! Betcha wish I die in my strawman car!

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You're saying the world Strawman like a cudgel. Kinda a dumb cudgel. Oh well.

I'm not mischaracterizing your position one iota. You think the organization should have treated Ben better by firing Tomlin and that he would have done better with almost everyone else since Tomlin is a clown.

That is your position, is it not?

You are creating a strawman that I am saying BR is at Crosby’s level - let’s not play games here and pretend like we both don’t know what you are up to ok?

It’s lame and acting obtuse makes you look silly.

I will simplify this so that even you can’t spin it around like you love to do:

If DB had a job for life like Tomlin, would Crosby have three rings right now?

Maybe Crosby should have just worked harder and watched more film and DB never would have been fired.

 

[lastcupever75]

Ben Roethlisberger

Playoff record: 13-9
Home playoff record: 6-5
Road playoff record: 5-3
Non-wild card playoff record: 10-5 ******
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 25.73
Super Bowl starts: 3
Super Bowl rings: 2


here some other "non franchise QBs" and their playoff stats.
all hall of famers or soon to be

Drew Brees

Playoff record: 9-9
Home playoff record: 7-4
Road playoff record: 1-5
Non-wild card playoff record: 5-5
30-30-30 seasons: 1
Playoff points per game average: 26.55
Super Bowl starts: 1
Super Bowl rings: 1


Peyton Manning

Playoff record: 14-13
Home playoff record: 10-6
Road playoff record: 2-5
Non-wild card playoff record: 11-9
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 22.15
Super Bowl starts: 4
Super Bowl rings: 2

Aaron Rodgers

Playoff record: 11-9
Home playoff record: 5-3
Road playoff record: 5-6
Non-wild card playoff record: 7-7
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 28.15
Super Bowl starts: 1
Super Bowl rings: 1

Brett Favre

Playoff record: 13-11
Home playoff record: 9-3
Road playoff record: 3-7
Non-wild card playoff record: 8-8
30-30-30 seasons: 1
Playoff points per game average: 24.83
Super Bowl starts: 2
Super Bowl rings: 1


Steve Young

Playoff record: 8-6
Home playoff record: 7-3
Road playoff record: 0-3
Non-wild card playoff record: 6-6
30-30-30 seasons: 1
Playoff points per game average: 26.93
Super Bowl starts: 1
Super Bowl rings: 1
****can't win on the road****

Dan Marino

Playoff record: 8-10
Home playoff record: 7-3
Road playoff record: 1-6
Non-wild card playoff record: 4-8
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 20.50
Super Bowl starts: 1
Super Bowl rings: 0


Dan Fouts

Playoff record: 3-4
Home playoff record: 1-2
Road playoff record: 2-2
Non-wild card playoff record: 2-4* (*first round of 1982 playoffs considered wild card)
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 21.86
Super Bowl starts: 0
Super Bowl rings: 0

Warren Moon

Playoff record: 3-7
Home playoff record: 2-3
Road playoff record: 1-4
Non-wild card playoff record: 0-4
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 20.70
Super Bowl starts: 0
Super Bowl rings: 0


Jim Kelly

Playoff record: 9-8
Home playoff record: 8-1
Road playoff record: 1-3
Non-wild card playoff record: 8-7
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 26.18
Super Bowl starts: 4
Super Bowl rings: 0


and some others that might not get the call for the hall
Philip Rivers

Playoff record: 5-7
Home playoff record: 2-2
Road playoff record: 3-5
Non-wild card playoff record: 1-6
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 21.50
Super Bowl starts: 0
Super Bowl rings: 0


Matt Ryan

Playoff record: 4-6
Home playoff record: 3-2
Road playoff record: 1-3
Non-wild card playoff record: 3-4
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 24.50
Super Bowl starts: 1
Super Bowl rings: 0


Russell Wilson

Playoff record: 9-7
Home playoff record: 5-1
Road playoff record: 3-5
Non-wild card playoff record: 5-5
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 24.13
Super Bowl starts: 2
Super Bowl rings: 1

Andrew Luck

Playoff record: 4-4
Home playoff record: 2-0
Road playoff record: 2-4
Non-wild card playoff record: 1-3
30-30-30 seasons: 0
Playoff points per game average: 20.88
Super Bowl starts: 0
Super Bowl rings: 0


NFL QB playoff records, Roethlisberger, Brady, Manning

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Ben has Colbert said is the unquestioned leader of the locker room when he resigned him in 2017 after firing Haley and Ben threw AB under the bus. Ben is the offense he is responsible for the offense that’s why he is paid. If he needed more help than he should have took less money so they can provide him with help. Tomlin did nothing with the offense he left that to the franchise guy. Ben always hand picked his OC cause he wants to run what he wants to run. You trust your highest paid employee to earn there money in the highest moments.
Tomlin should definitely be blamed on the defense crapping the bed in the playoffs. Against Jacksonville even without Shazzier who they built the defense around should not have given up 35 points to a top 5 offense that year. The offense took almost the entire first half off.

Who runs this team - BR or Tomlin?

Would Noll, Walsh or Hoodie have allowed their QB to run his own offense?

Brady and Montana were never allowed to call their own plays or run their own offense - guess why.

When Bradshaw got defiant and called his own shit he was put on the bench - guess why.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Oh yeah Jiggles.

What exactly is Ben's "True Stature in the game" versus his "Tomlin adjusted stature?"

Where do you think he resides in the Pantheon versus where you think he is actually ending up.

I'll give some names. You say higher or lower:
Brees
Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Brady
Kurt Warner
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rivers
Flacco

Name me a player who you think is higher-regarded that Ben unjustifiably because Ben was hampered by Tomlin. Or sorry, is that a Strawman question too? Amazing how many things we can label "Strawman." Off to the Strawman golf course! Betcha wish I die in my strawman car!

Is Roth a future HOF that rewrote the franchise passing records?

Yep.

Should we have expected more than three playoff wins out of the Tomlin/BR era the last decade?

Hell yes.

Any other noise you want to make to try and distract from the truth and make yourself look like a tool is on you bro.

Won’t change my life any.

 

[TimmyD]

to be fair, bortles did come up with big plays the week before facing you know who's defense.
just like tebow did years earlier

Fournette did say more damage then Bortles did in that game

 

[K Fleur]

You really don’t understand the term “game manager” if you’re labeling Eli Manning as one.

Eli is overrated and not that good but all you had to do was watch him play to know “game manager” doesn’t fit.

Yinzer QB takes are giving Yinzer goalie takes a run for their money this summer.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Who runs this team - BR or Tomlin?

Would Noll, Walsh or Hoodie have allowed their QB to run his own offense?

Brady and Montana were never allowed to call their own plays or run their own offense - guess why.

When Bradshaw got defiant and called his own shit he was put on the bench - guess why.

Hoodie doesn’t do anything with the offense he relies on josh Daniels. He and his son focus on the defense. Josh did work with Brady to build the offense it’s why they drafted Jones cause they can run the same offense with him.
So you want coaches to bench there 35 40 million dollar players? Pete carrol deals with the defense and they let Wilson cook and guess what they have the same amount of playoff wins as us. In fact they are identical as tje QB grew and took on more money they lost many good players.
Brees works tirelessly with Peyton and they have 3 playoff win in 10 years

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You really don’t understand the term “game manager” if you’re labeling Eli Manning as one.

Eli is overrated and not that good but all you had to do was watch him play to know “game manager” doesn’t fit.

Yinzer QB takes are giving Yinzer goalie takes a run for their money this summer.

So what is a game manager then?