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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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OnMyOwn said:
Kaboly was just on the Pat Mcafee show a minute ago. Said the Byron Leftwich stuff is a “leave it on read” type of situation. The Steelers won’t do anything like that mid season. Said Canada will remain for the rest of the season and the rookies are supposed to get more playing time/start.

JPJ was apparently the highest rated CB this past week according to PFF, but I haven’t fact checked that. They just mentioned it on the show.
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He was. Currently this is how the 2023 DBs are grading out. I still think Branch was probably the better pick, but Porter has been good.

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Damn this dude killed it in this YT comment. Was asked about KP:

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Playing QB in college is about 100 times easier than playing it in the NFL. The hashes are wider, defenders are slower, there are fewer gamewrecker DL/EDGE-- there's so much more room in which to throw. I think it's inarguably the hardest position to scout in terms of MNFL projection because their college job is the least like what they'll do at the next level.

I can't speak for anyone else evaluating college QBs, but I found many red flags from Kenny's "Heisman" candidate season. I love a QB who is daring AND has the arm to back it up. Kenny out of structure certainly had some stones but right away I was concerned those off-platform throws against the grain into tighter spaces vs faster defenders would be an issue for him and A. it was and B. it continues to be... he has just subverted it from throwing wild INTs to being wholly conditioned into not taking any chances, as if his life depended on it.

But that wasn't the worst of it. The innate desire to bail on a clean pocket and or drift from a clean pocket into pressure is just one of those things you see in QBs. Very hard instinct to break once you've been doing it for 10+ amateur years. When I watch him now, he seems to be acutely aware that he doesn't have the arm he once thought he did, so now he's rushing his motion, overthrowing, drifting in the direction he wants to throw, not making tight throws, etc. The reason he is regressing is: that's a lot to have to worry about in terms of compensation, teams have him pretty figured out, and his processing isn't fast enough to accommodate all of that in 2 seconds. No shame in that: it would overwhelm almost any human.

His offense hurts him in a multitude of ways but he lacks either the quick processing or huge arm talent to overcome it. All the short routes are probably to encourage him to get rid of the ball quickly. The desire to run way way too much on 1st and second downs leaves him with high leverage 3rd downs where the defense 100% knows what's coming. Everything is compacted into a smaller and smaller space. Even the deep throws (with one exception this season) are all low-risk sideline balls. Worst-case, it's a punt. When facing no pressure and getting a favorable 1 on 1 matchup with no safety help, he seems very good at that this year. The backshoulder throws to Pickens. His ability to run if the defense gives him Man-to-Man coverage and the play call happens to have multiple go routes? Terrific.

Where is he going to get with that? It seems especially tough in a Steelers-desired world where you don't get any easy throws and points are at a premium. Mistakes are magnified. You have to really shine and elevate the play around you if you hope to succeed.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
He is allowed to aubile he audible a few times yesterday put on this play he was changing production he is starting to feel his hot reads better
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I didn’t see a single audible on Sunday.

It jives exactly with what the beat guys are writing, with Fittipaldo echoing Kaboly and Dulac today:

Pickett changed the protection. The "Randy" call slid the protection to the right and also got the TEs and RB into the right spots. At some point they're going to have to let Pickett change the plays at the line of scrimmage, but they're not here yet.
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www.post-gazette.com

Ray Fittipaldo's Steelers chat transcript: 10.10.23

Ray Fittipaldo: Welcome to my Steelers chat. We'll get started in a few minutes. artie bridge: Ray, Let's talk tight ends. What gives with Darnell Washington?...
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I doubt many people on here need to be told that not allowing a QB to audible is severely hampering his ability to attack the opponent.

Canada has a rep for being a control freak, and being stuck in his shitty calls isn’t helping KP progress.

If anyone thinks Canada has been such a mastermind up in the sky and there isn’t any need to change his calls… well…
 
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Charlie Batch says Steelers didn't let Ben audible

It was a tumultuous 2012 season for the Steelers' offense. Former back-up quarterback turned broadcaster Charlie Batch fanned some of those old flames by saying the Steelers had stripped Roethlisberger of his ability to audible all season.
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Kenny Pickett says he changed the protection, didn’t call audible on touchdown pass

After much speculation, it is now confirmed Kenny Pickett didn’t audible.
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Pickett credits Canada for audible, Johnson defends play-calling

Kenny Pickett confirmed he audibled on the long touchdown, but he did it with help from Matt Canada, Diontae Johnson defends the play calling
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bigdaddyk88 said:
Until KP reads defenses better pre snap he probably shouldn’t be audibling often
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Canada is just as raw as KP at the NFL level, so what exactly about his playcalling would be any better than KP checking into something else?

We aren’t talking about an accomplished OC here. He’s like a QB in year three who has shown he’s a historical bust.

He’s the Ryan Leaf of OCs.
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
Canada is just as raw as KP at the NFL level, so what exactly about his playcalling would be any better than KP checking into something else?

We aren’t talking about an accomplished OC here. He’s like a QB in year three who has shown he’s a historical bust.

He’s the Ryan Leaf of OCs.
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Kp still struggles with pick a side olays where one side is zone beater one is m2m he struggles with in the pocket he has way to much on his plate to audible
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Kp still struggles with pick a side olays where one side is zone beater one is m2m he struggles with in the pocket he has way to much on his plate to audible
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I can hold up the same theory about Canada’s selected play call in any given situation.

He’s not some talented OC that can manipulate the D and keep them off balance, constantly putting his young QB in winnable situations.

In fact I’d argue anything positive KP and the offense gets comes with great struggle.

Canada is again no better and barely more experienced than KP at his job, and the extra year of experience he’s had has proven without a shadow of a doubt, he’s very bad at what he does.

In fact he’s historically bad, and that’s not hyperbole for anyone who has been paying attention.
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
I can hold up the same theory about Canada’s selected play call in any given situation.

He’s not some talented OC that can manipulate the D and keep them off balance, constantly putting his young QB in winnable situations.

In fact I’d argue anything positive KP and the offense gets comes with great struggle.

Canada is again no better and barely more experienced than KP at his job, and the extra year of experience he’s had has proven without a shadow of a doubt, he’s very bad at what he does.

In fact he’s historically bad, and that’s not hyperbole for anyone who has been paying attention.
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Yes they both suck KP the good news is we are only stuck with one after this season
 
Good news!

After two years plus of complete failure it occurred to the Steelers that it isn't working and will take a week to fix everything.

 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
I’ll believe it when I see it TBTH.
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I think history shows they let coordinators walk. I highly highly doubt Canada is back…unless somehow we score 20+ points on offense each game and manage to get a 400 yard game, haha.
 
OnMyOwn said:
I think history shows they let coordinators walk. I highly highly doubt Canada is back…unless somehow we score 20+ points on offense each game and manage to get a 400 yard game, haha.
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Canada will be the scape goat. The 'proof' that the Steelers are doing something.

And will be replaced by another Canada.

What people aren't getting is that Canada is what Tomlin wants. He runs low risk low output offenses.

Tomlin wants to win games 3 to 0.

Canada will be fired. But anyone who believes that he will be replaced by anyone who opens up the offense at all are deluding themselves. Tomlin believes that a 1950 era game can win 75 years later.
 
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Jaded-Fan said:
Canada will be the scape goat. The 'proof' that the Steelers are doing something.

And will be replaced by another Canada.

What people aren't getting is that Canada is what Tomlin wants. He runs low risk low output offenses.

Tomlin wants to win games 3 to 0.

Canada will be fired. But anyone who believes that he will be replaced by anyone who opens up the offense at all are deluding themselves. Tomlin believes that a 1950 era game can win 75 years later.
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I mean I kinda agree…but Ben put up some pretty big numbers over his career. To include leading the league in passing a couple times and the record multiple 500 yard games.

I don’t think that was all Ben going against Tomlin.
 
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OnMyOwn said:
I mean I kinda agree…but Ben put up some pretty big numbers over his career. To include leading the league in passing a couple times and the record multiple 500 yard games.

I don’t think that was all Ben going against Tomlin.
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No point is every black and white, all or nothing.

But generally I stand by my point.
 
Jaded-Fan said:
Good news!

After two years plus of complete failure it occurred to the Steelers that it isn't working and will take a week to fix everything.

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Only a Tomlin team would keep reverting back to a zone blocking scheme when they have success running the ball using man-man.

Maybe stop using Canada’s split zone and pounding your heads into a wall, literally.

Maybe let your lineman pull… I know it’s crazy!

OnMyOwn said:
I think history shows they let coordinators walk. I highly highly doubt Canada is back…unless somehow we score 20+ points on offense each game and manage to get a 400 yard game, haha.
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That’s their history, but if the offense shows marginal improvement after the bye like last season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s retained.

Rooney and Tomlin love mediocre.
 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
I’ll believe it when I see it TBTH.
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Theres nothing anything Canada can do to sace his job. They will bring in a passing coordinator with no play calling experience from philosophy 49ers Rams Dolphins Lions and give him the job.
Tomlin wants to add Qb movement in the offense i am really shocked we don’t see much rpo

Kenny being a local guy will get all of year 3 to prove if they should pickup his 5th year option. I do think it gets interesting if Fields is cut or traded because the bears moved on because Tomlin loves him.
This draft they need 1 more wr 1 c and then the offense is set
 
DanielPlainview said:
Hiring Leftwich would just be another Tomlin hire. I don't get the hype around Leftwich. He was OC for Tom Brady? Great. So was Josh McDaniels. And Charlie Weis.
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Your presumed point about those guys being successful coordinators but failed head coaches would hold a lot more weight if we were discussing Leftwich for HC.
 
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