OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Factorial]

Dan Rooney took over day to day operations when his father entered his 70s. Art II became President when Dan turned 71. Art II is now 71, and the league has completely passed him and this org by. At this point he should plan on stepping back to a chairman role, which would be consistent with his predecessors in terms of timing.

This isn’t a Matt Canada or Kenny Pickett issue. The first thing to do is Art step down, then reevaluate Tomlins future.

Is there a family member in line to succeed him?

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Is there a family member in line to succeed him?

His son is a director in the org, mid 30s I think. They could also turn to an outsider I guess, given the dilution of the stake.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Raise your hand if you are surprised.

 

[Peat]

Raise your hand if you are surprised.

*sits on hands*

Tbf, he's not wrong. I mean, we hear about players coming up to speed incredibly quickly on new systems mid-season, but the whole dang team?

The hope is that seeing how Canada was incompetent in a very remarkable number of ways, they can do a lot to improve the current scheme. Remove all the situationally gormless calls like running on 2nd and long or going back to the pass game on a critical third and short when the run game is doing well. Chop out the most particularly brainless plays like calling a screen to a guy with only one blocker. Drill things so everyone knows what the other person knows what they're doing, and we don't have critical plays on late drives ending with the head coach blaming miscommunication between QB and WR.

The fear is hope is often misplaced.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Raise your hand if you are surprised.

Foster said that running backs and o line will tell Faulkner what plays in Matts play book they liked he expects more routes for the rbs especially angle
He said the wr and Kenny will sit down with Faulkner and Sulivan to fix the route concepts to give Kenny a clear picture and translate the calls to wc terminology since that’s what Kenny understands. Under sulivan Eli targeted ODB 12 times a game so that is good for GP

 

[DanielPlainview]

The offensive staff had to be the worst collection of minds in the NFL. Canada, Faulkner, and Sullivan are/were bottom of the barrel. I don't expect them to "fix" much of anything. But if they can manage to make the play-calling less predictable, that would go a long way.

 

[JTG]

His son is a director in the org, mid 30s I think. They could also turn to an outsider I guess, given the dilution of the stake.

I have read that is the plan. His son Dan Martin Rooney has been working throughout the organization is every aspect for years. It's an approach like his grandfather - Art 2 was not a football guy...he was a lawyer. He hasn't been entrenched in the organization his whole career. His son could be much like his grandfather in that he has a deep understanding of the organization and what needs to happen.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I have read that is the plan. His son Dan Martin Rooney has been working throughout the organization is every aspect for years. It's an approach like his grandfather - Art 2 was not a football guy...he was a lawyer. He hasn't been entrenched in the organization his whole career. His son could be much like his grandfather in that he has a deep understanding of the organization and what needs to happen.

The org is slowly trying to evolve and are thankfully getting away from the outdated “Steelers Way”.

We are seeing them change how they handle contracts with the guaranteed money, making big trades, being more active in FA, etc

However they are still deeply rooted in the three clouds of dust and tough D mentality, have extreme loyalty to their coaches, and cling to the pretentious idea they are always contender and rebuilding is beneath them.

From what you wrote, maybe there is some hope on the horizon when AR2 moves out of the way.

*sits on hands*

Tbf, he's not wrong. I mean, we hear about players coming up to speed incredibly quickly on new systems mid-season, but the whole dang team?

The hope is that seeing how Canada was incompetent in a very remarkable number of ways, they can do a lot to improve the current scheme. Remove all the situationally gormless calls like running on 2nd and long or going back to the pass game on a critical third and short when the run game is doing well. Chop out the most particularly brainless plays like calling a screen to a guy with only one blocker. Drill things so everyone knows what the other person knows what they're doing, and we don't have critical plays on late drives ending with the head coach blaming miscommunication between QB and WR.

The fear is hope is often misplaced.

I’m 100% sure they will look at the read progressions Canada has installed and change them.

Zero doubt in my mind the progressions were dog shit.

 

[JTG]

The org is slowly trying to evolve and are thankfully getting away from the outdated “Steelers Way”.

We are seeing them change how they handle contracts with the guaranteed money, making big trades, being more active in FA, etc

However they are still deeply rooted in the three clouds of dust and tough D mentality, have extreme loyalty to their coaches, and cling to the pretentious idea they are always contender and rebuilding is beneath them.

From what you wrote, maybe there is some hope on the horizon when AR2 moves out of the way.



I’m 100% sure they will look at the read progressions Canada has installed and change them.

Zero doubt in my mind the progressions were dog shit.

From what I have read, Art 2's son has sort of seen the organization as his life's work. He wants to be that figurehead, and wanted to be from a young age. He has worked both on field and in the front office.

Back With Steelers Organization, Daniel Martin Rooney Still Viewed As Successor When Time Comes

Few families are as intimately tied to the National Football League as the Rooneys, who have held majority control of the Pittsburgh Steelers since the organization’s founding (as the Pirates) in 1933. Art Rooney Sr. started it all, and his son, Dan Rooney, took them to another level—the highest...

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[Mr Jiggyfly]

From what I have read, Art 2's son has sort of seen the organization as his life's work. He wants to be that figurehead, and wanted to be from a young age. He has worked both on field and in the front office.

Back With Steelers Organization, Daniel Martin Rooney Still Viewed As Successor When Time Comes

Few families are as intimately tied to the National Football League as the Rooneys, who have held majority control of the Pittsburgh Steelers since the organization’s founding (as the Pirates) in 1933. Art Rooney Sr. started it all, and his son, Dan Rooney, took them to another level—the highest...

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He’s in his 30s and will hopefully bring a more modern approach to the org.

Maybe some light at the end of the tunnel after all, assuming the Tomlin problem is solved when he takes over (or shortly after).

 

[Smoke]

I've been a fairly staunch critic of Pickett lately and I honestly don't see him being a successful QB here. I hope I'm wrong. With that being said, what is the consensus on the amount of time you are willing to give him to figure it out? We can only blame the system and coaches for so long.

Is it growing pains or is it what a lot of people thought he was, an average QB destined to become a career backup?

 

[Coastal Kev]

Raise your hand if you are surprised.

I'll bet a $1000 that they get more conservative.

RUN RUN PASS PUNT...............

 

[Rossi Rat]

On another note, hearing Keanu Neal may be out for the year and Minkah’s injury has taken longer than they were hoping… not good.

I know he desecrated the terrible tahwel but I would KILL to have a player like Dewey Wingard back there. I broke down some film of the Jaguars game and that dude was just unreal, and he’s not even a regular starter.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I've been a fairly staunch critic of Pickett lately and I honestly don't see him being a successful QB here. I hope I'm wrong. With that being said, what is the consensus on the amount of time you are willing to give him to figure it out? We can only blame the system and coaches for so long.

Is it growing pains or is it what a lot of people thought he was, an average QB destined to become a career backup?

I am giving him until the end of this season to get back to last season's form where he was slightly below-average by the end.
It's unfortunate that the replacements for Canada aren't any better, but such is the nature of a last minute mid-season change.
The advantage of doing 1 more year + add in a better backup/challenger such as Minshew, Winston or Tyrod Taylor is that it allows you to use your 1st/2nd on OT/CB.

Whereas if they go for Jayden Daniels at QB, with the way he's going realistically you'll have to spend the 2nd to trade up so it's all QB.

At this point it also isn't just about "giving Kenny more time" vs. "investing big in another QB" with either draft capital or cap space (Cousins)

 

[Peat]

I've been a fairly staunch critic of Pickett lately and I honestly don't see him being a successful QB here. I hope I'm wrong. With that being said, what is the consensus on the amount of time you are willing to give him to figure it out? We can only blame the system and coaches for so long.

Is it growing pains or is it what a lot of people thought he was, an average QB destined to become a career backup?

Neither. I think it's a case of piss poor development that's probably permanently stunted him.

As for how much time to give him - that depends on the rest of the team and the QBs available. I think they need to finish rebuilding the OL before they try again which dictates against taking QB, but if you really like a guy there...

In any case, Tomlin's name is attached to Pickett, so he can't easily move along. Yeah, Shanahan moved along from Lance, but he did it because he could point to Purdy and go "duh". Tomlin doesn't have that.

 

[Peat]

The advantage of doing 1 more year + add in a better backup/challenger such as Minshew, Winston or Tyrod Taylor is that it allows you to use your 1st/2nd on OT/CB.

Are these guys really better than Trubisky?

 

[ChaosAgent]

Are these guys really better than Trubisky?

Minshew yes. The others TBD, but Trubisky hasn't played well enough here to justify otherwise. If he was willing to lean fully into being a running QB ala Mariota, maybe.

 

[Peat]

Minshew yes. The others TBD, but Trubisky hasn't played well enough here to justify otherwise. If he was willing to lean fully into being a running QB ala Mariota, maybe.

That doesn't mean he is or isn't a better player though.

Also... lies, damn lies, and statistics, but Trubisky's QBR (per Pro Football Reference) last year with the Steelers was 58.5. The highest in Minshew's career is 61.7. Those numbers look pretty similar. If Trubisky hasn't played well enough here to justify being seen as better... then I don't think Minshew has ever played well enough anywhere.

Trubisky's median career season is a 53.8. Minshew's is 44.6.

I'm really not wed to Trubisky but these are look like dogs with fleas to me. Never know what the fit is going to be but I am very dubious they'd put on any more pressure or competition.

 

[ChaosAgent]

That doesn't mean he is or isn't a better player though.

Also... lies, damn lies, and statistics, but Trubisky's QBR (per Pro Football Reference) last year with the Steelers was 58.5. The highest in Minshew's career is 61.7. Those numbers look pretty similar. If Trubisky hasn't played well enough here to justify being seen as better... then I don't think Minshew has ever played well enough anywhere.

Trubisky's median career season is a 53.8. Minshew's is 44.6.

I'm really not wed to Trubisky but these are look like dogs with fleas to me. Never know what the fit is going to be but I am very dubious they'd put on any more pressure or competition.

I suppose you could run it back with Mitch/Mason but just make it clear that if Kenny still struggles with a new OC, he is no longer the franchise QB and in open competition until we get a new QB in '25.

Also, Dobbs is a free agent. Seems very Steelers-ey...

 

[Pengwins]

So instead of bringing in a new OC they promoted Canada’s idiot assistant? Wtf. Cheap basterds

 

[ChaosAgent]

So instead of bringing in a new OC they promoted Canada’s idiot assistant? Wtf. Cheap basterds

You aren't going to get anyone good midseason. Don't get attached to the interim guys, they won't be here long.

 

[OnMyOwn]

There’s no one worth hiring mid-season. Our only hope is these guys know how to call a better game with the plays we already have.

Then there better be a thorough search in the off-season. I’ll be pissed if it’s just some other internal hire.

 

[The Old Master]

You aren't going to get anyone good midseason. Don't get attached to the interim guys, they won't be here long.

yet there are those that want to judge kenny buy how he does under them

 

[bigdaddyk88]

yet there are those that want to judge kenny buy how he does under them

You can judge is decision making his accuracy did he improve his pocket awareness regardless of the oc

 

[JTG]

I am curious how much more freedom they give to Kenny. Different OC...same HC.