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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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DanielPlainview said:
No they can’t
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Just to riff on this - have any of the 3 QBs Canada has had reached anything like their ceiling here?

We know Trubisky is no great shakes, but he did manage to get to a Pro Bowl and was attracting rave reviews from an org that knows a thing or two about QBs in Buffalo. He can clearly play better than he did in Pittsburgh.

Post-injury Big Ben wasn't all that but he was a still a guy with HoF traits and the difference between his record when throwing on the Canada plan and his record when playing hurry-up sketching down plays football was stark.

We don't have a long list of Steelers offensive starters who had major workloads under Canada and what they were like elsewhere. Claypool and DJ were the only guys in the weapons room to play a bunch before Canada; Claypool went from a 9 TD rookie season to having half a foot out of the league after a season and a half of Canada. Lots went into that, but still startling. DJ, well, he now owns a record for incompetence. OL wise, the main example I think is Kevin Dotson, who went from "the guy who'll get Pickett killed" to "one of the best guards in the league".

Pretty much the only guy who has hit his potential as an offensive player here over a prolonged period is Jaylen Warren.

Throw in all the stats pointing to historic ineptitude, and a generally lousy career outside one bright spell at Pitt, and I really don't think it's far fetched that Canada was really that bad that he was that limiting.

I mean, what's there to argue for otherwise other than a belief no coach can have that great an effect?
 
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I guess Kp isn’t the only person who forgets Muth exists.
DJ is the same player now then when he was drafted and still worth his contract
Dotson is playing well at rg he wouldn’t have play rg here. He said while he was here tell me who to block and I will block him that’s what they are doing for him know. He wasn’t a fan of the 2 dogs 1 bone philosophy
 
This year is basically a wash. They are going to keep Kenny around regardless of what happens this year, so the best we can hope for is a new coordinator, a better game plan, better preparation, and some maturation from 8. If they can salvage this offense this season, they probably roll with Faulkner and Sully next season.
 
JTG said:
This year is basically a wash. They are going to keep Kenny around regardless of what happens this year, so the best we can hope for is a new coordinator, a better game plan, better preparation, and some maturation from 8. If they can salvage this offense this season, they probably roll with Faulkner and Sully next season.
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Why the gm who drafted him is not here. Wouldn’t make sense to give him the rest of this season then have Khan and Andy go QB shopping bring in a passing game coordinator to be the oc from the outside they will probably want to position coaches themselves
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Why the gm who drafted him is not here. Wouldn’t make sense to give him the rest of this season then have Khan and Andy go QB shopping bring in a passing game coordinator to be the oc from the outside they will probably want to position coaches themselves
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Because they are going to let him play out his rookie deal. Tomlin likes Pickett. If Tomllin goes, that is the only way I think Pickett goes before his 5th year.
 
JTG said:
Because they are going to let him play out his rookie deal. Tomlin likes Pickett. If Tomllin goes, that is the only way I think Pickett goes before his 5th year.
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Tomlin tolerates KP. He has challenged him to get better he literally when asked about tje KP said they weren’t peeing on tje fire
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
I guess Kp isn’t the only person who forgets Muth exists.
DJ is the same player now then when he was drafted and still worth his contract
Dotson is playing well at rg he wouldn’t have play rg here. He said while he was here tell me who to block and I will block him that’s what they are doing for him know. He wasn’t a fan of the 2 dogs 1 bone philosophy
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Those all read like arguments for Canada hampering guys to me. For a guy of DJ's talent to own the record for most receptions with no touchdowns is shocking. To waste a guy of Dotson's talent by not playing him at the right position deserves serious questioning.

And Muth's not exactly got the stats his talent deserves either.
 
Peat said:
Those all read like arguments for Canada hampering guys to me. For a guy of DJ's talent to own the record for most receptions with no touchdowns is shocking. To waste a guy of Dotson's talent by not playing him at the right position deserves serious questioning.

And Muth's not exactly got the stats his talent deserves either.
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I mean the oc can only draw up so many lay ups. An average QB DJ probably has 4 more tds this season and another 350 yards while being hurt. Muth can’t throw it himself he hzd 60 plus catches last 2 seasons 1200 and 9 tds under Canada. Daniels has been very good for us at RG
 
DanielPlainview said:
Yinzers expect a 2nd year QB to drag a dog shit offense to points
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Yinzers who are the r-ends-in-cst word blame everything on Mike Tomlin. That actually is the perception of people outside of Pittsburgh of Pittsburghers.

Know that using "Yinzers" as a catch all term for "people you disagree with about sports" is a low IQ move. Fitting, in your case.
 
And there we have it. If you don't blame the QB and don't praise Mike Tomlin, you're racist. GFY

Yinzers are Pittsburgh sports fans who seemingly have the logic of someone suffering from toxic water and lead poisoning. In this case, it's expecting a young QB to lead a poorly conceptualized offense like a HOFer in his prime.
 
DanielPlainview said:
And there we have it. If you don't blame the QB and don't praise Mike Tomlin, you're racist. GFY

Yinzers are Pittsburgh sports fans who seemingly have the logic of someone suffering from toxic water and lead poisoning. In this case, it's expecting a young QB to lead a poorly conceptualized offense like a HOFer in his prime.
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No, it's a catch all term for people you don't like. When people outside of Pittsburghers actually think of Yinzers, an opinion that the black head coach is hamstringing the white QB is a lot more accurate.

You can slurp Kenny all you want. I get it, it was all Matt Canada's fault.

But don't make strawmen and don't abuse the Y word unless it actually fits (which it is much closer to in your case).

And speaking of lead poisoning, Kenny's idiotic reverse spin out of the pocket is something a QB suffering from lead poisoning would do.
 
ChaosAgent said:
No, it's a catch all term for people you don't like. When people outside of Pittsburghers actually think of Yinzers, an opinion that the black head coach is hamstringing the white QB is a lot more accurate.
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This is your projection. You think criticizing Mike Tomlin makes someone a racist yokel. Perhaps you're the problem, huh?

ChaosAgent said:
You can slurp Kenny all you want. I get it, it was all Matt Canada's fault.
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I would say the problems with the offense have been 75% poor conceptualization and 25% lack of execution. No one has said Kenny has looked good, just that he's been put into a terrible position with almost no chance to succeed.

ChaosAgent said:
But don't make strawmen and don't abuse the Y word unless it actually fits (which it is much closer to in your case).

And speaking of lead poisoning, Kenny's idiotic reverse spin out of the pocket is something a QB suffering from lead poisoning would do.
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No strawmen have been used here.

Kenny's happy feet is a known issue made worse by the lack of protection he's gotten.
 
"HOFer in his prime" does not = "throws for 175 with 50 being 1 YAC run by Pickens or Warren."

From now until end of season, Kenny should average 1.5 passing TDs, 200 yards and no more than 1 INT/game. Do that and he's at least earned himself another year as incumbent. It's not remotely a high bar.
 
What if Kenny comes out and throws the best game of his season? Will that be enough for the anti-KP crowd to give him some more time?

I'm right on the fence, so this next game is a big one for me. He has to not leave as much meat on the bone.

Peat said:
This might just be the stupidest page in the thread.
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Disagree - as dumb as some of this is here, the hockey threads here are way worse. I almost cannot wait for the wheels to fall off here so some of these people fall by the wayside.
 
ChaosAgent said:
"HOFer in his prime" does not = "throws for 175 with 50 being 1 YAC run by Pickens or Warren."

From now until end of season, Kenny should average 1.5 passing TDs, 200 yards and no more than 1 INT/game. Do that and he's at least earned himself another year as incumbent. It's not remotely a high bar.
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Sadly, we're going from Matt Canada to a guy who was fired by the Giants for sucking at his job. I do not see much of an improvement coming.
 
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JTG said:
What if Kenny comes out and throws the best game of his season? Will that be enough for the anti-KP crowd to give him some more time?

I'm right on the fence, so this next game is a big one for me. He has to not leave as much meat on the bone.


Disagree - as dumb as some of this is here, the hockey threads here are way worse. I almost cannot wait for the wheels to fall off here so some of these people fall by the wayside.
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I stated my criteria. 200 yds/game, 1.5 TDs/game and <1 INT/game the rest of the way. If he does that I will write his name in pen as our 2024 QB.

Results matter, at some point if you're any good you can overcome things. The numbers KP is posting is consistent with every year of his post High School career except 2021.

DanielPlainview said:
Sadly, we're going from Matt Canada to a guy who was fired by the Giants for sucking at his job. I do not see much of an improvement coming.
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Eli Manning, who kinda sucks aside from 2 games, threw for 4000 yards and 26 TDs with Sullivan in 2016. Try again.
 
ChaosAgent said:
I stated my criteria. 200 yds/game, 1.5 TDs/game and <1 INT/game the rest of the way. If he does that I will write his name in pen as our 2024 QB.

Results matter, at some point if you're any good you can overcome things. The numbers KP is posting is consistent with every year of his post High School career except 2021.
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ChaosAgent said:
Eli Manning, who kinda sucks aside from 2 games, threw for 4000 yards and 26 TDs with Sullivan in 2016. Try again.
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Living in your own mind is an issue. Eli Manning was a good QB.
 
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