OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Jaded-Fan]

MIKE VRABEL IS PATRIOTS’ ‘HOME RUN CHOICE’ TO REPLACE BILL BELICHICK: REPORT

Why would Vrabel do that? And why would the Patriots jettison Belichick?

But they sold some newspapers.

 

[Josey Wales]

Why would Vrabel do that? And why would the Patriots jettison Belichick?

But they sold some newspapers.

Kraft & Belicheat don't get along at all

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Why would Vrabel do that? And why would the Patriots jettison Belichick?

But they sold some newspapers.

Because the GM Bill is going to get the coach bill fired

 

[Andy99]

I can buy a need to use the 1st on a DT but Heyward isn't getting cut this summer you maniac.

Not to mention that we do also need that OT and right now the draft does indeed look super deep.

The team could also spent its 1st on a CB very profitably too.

He’s 35 and injured at least half the season…he’s not going to be worth the money they pay him anymore…36 is not going to cut it at DT…I think he will be let go but we’ll see…maybe they can resign him at a lower salary

 

[Smoke]

Watched CJ Stroud throw for 470 yds and 5 TD's while my QB is lucky to break the 200yd mark in a win.

 

[ChaosAgent]

He’s 35 and injured at least half the season…he’s not going to be worth the money they pay him anymore…36 is not going to cut it at DT…I think he will be let go but we’ll see…maybe they can resign him at a lower salary

Looking at the math on Heyward, I could see either him being cut or some sort of 2-year extension.

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Convert his $6.4M bonus to a $8-9M bonus spread over 2 years, in a $16M contract.
That way he'd count $8M against the cap next year vs. $22M as it stands today.
Looking at their cap situation there is no way Heyward isn't significantly restructured at a minimum.

Some other potential cuts: Okorafor, Cole, Peterson, Kazee
Restructures: Watt, Daniels

 

[Andy99]

Looking at the math on Heyward, I could see either him being cut or some sort of 2-year extension.

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Convert his $6.4M bonus to a $8-9M bonus spread over 2 years, in a $16M contract.
That way he'd count $8M against the cap next year vs. $22M as it stands today.
Looking at their cap situation there is no way Heyward isn't significantly restructured at a minimum.

Some other potential cuts: Okorafor, Cole, Peterson, Kazee
Restructures: Watt, Daniels

Still think it’s too much for a declining player…give him a front office job

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Watched CJ Stroud throw for 470 yds and 5 TD's while my QB is lucky to break the 200yd mark in a win.

Brady in his prime would be hard pressed to average a couple touchdowns a game in this offensive scheme and with the line that the Steelers have.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

He’s 35 and injured at least half the season…he’s not going to be worth the money they pay him anymore…36 is not going to cut it at DT…I think he will be let go but we’ll see…maybe they can resign him at a lower salary

If Cam wants to come back and play next season, I do think he will have to take a pay cut. If the Steelers cut him he costs 6.4mil against the cap but they gain 16mil in space.

I could see them restructuring for next season so that he gets paid around 10-12mil. Basically they lower his caphit by lowering his salary.

I have a hard time thinking they will just cut him, but they cut Troy so…….

And he is 34, will be 35 in May.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Brady in his prime would be hard pressed to average a couple touchdowns a game in this offensive scheme and with the line that the Steelers have.

Stroud definitely wouldn’t be putting up those types of numbers with the way Tomlin wants his QB to play, but I suspect he’d still look like a special QB.

Dude just seems to have it and maybe the Ohio State curse passed him by.

On a day that Young tossed two pick sixes, I wonder how many Panther fans are sweating passing up Stroud.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Stroud definitely wouldn’t be putting up those types of numbers with the way Tomlin wants his QB to play, but I suspect he’d still look like a special QB.

Dude just seems to have it and maybe the Ohio State curse passed him by.

On a day that Young tossed two pick sixes, I wonder how many Panther fans are sweating passing up Stroud.

My comment was about our offense more than his potential.

The really frustrating thing is that even if KP has potential this offense not only won't tell us, but worse will not develop it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

My comment was about our offense more than his potential.

The really frustrating thing is that even if KP has potential this offense not only won't tell us, but worse will not develop it.

I’m not even mad at Canada anymore TBTH.

The big mystery to why they keep winning this historically ugly way, is because they rarely turn the ball over.

Tomlin wants to play ultra low risk offense, and win with his D.

He’s not concerned about developing his QB, he just wants to get wins any way he can… and keep that winning season BS going.

So once Canada is gone, things won’t get much better because this is how Tomlin wants to play offense.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I’m not even mad at Canada anymore TBTH.

The big mystery to why they keep winning this historically ugly way, is because they rarely turn the ball over.

Tomlin wants to play ultra low risk offense, and win with his D.

He’s not concerned about developing his QB, he just wants to get wins any way he can… and keep that winning season BS going.

So once Canada is gone, things won’t get much better because this is how Tomlin wants to play offense.

Yup.

Which is why the next offense coordinator hire will be the same as the last two.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

My comment was about our offense more than his potential.

The really frustrating thing is that even if KP has potential this offense not only won't tell us, but worse will not develop it.

The last 3 games Canada schemed up multiple lay ups for KP. It is actually exposing KP who has thrown the 3 most amount of unmatchable passes this season

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The last 3 games Canada schemed up multiple lay ups for KP. It is actually exposing KP who has thrown the 3 most amount of unmatchable passes this season

Chicken and egg.

A quarterback needs reps to grow. This offense limits opportunities.

So does KP suck or is he being stunted?

I suspect a bit of both.

 

[Peat]

He’s 35 and injured at least half the season…he’s not going to be worth the money they pay him anymore…36 is not going to cut it at DT…I think he will be let go but we’ll see…maybe they can resign him at a lower salary

Injured at least half the season? This is the first time he's missed major time in about six seasons. I don't recall seeing anything about him being projected to have more surgery in the off-season.

And we'll see how the rest of the season goes but so far he's made a mockery of the usual ageing curves for his position.

Also fwiw he's 34, not 35.

All in all, it seems a bit premature to forecast he'll be gone next season already.

Chicken and egg.

A quarterback needs reps to grow. This offense limits opportunities.

So does KP suck or is he being stunted?

I suspect a bit of both.

Working that one out would take a decent amount of time in a non-stunted environment to allow him to shake off bad habits and what not. Doubt he gets it.

Tbh the big one for me is what the hell is going on that Pickett is such a radically different player in Q4. It's not like Pickett being able to perform to a high level is this rare thing we've never seen, he does it regularly... for one quarter a game. I've never seen anything like it and would love to see someone try to dissect it.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Injured at least half the season? This is the first time he's missed major time in about six seasons. I don't recall seeing anything about him being projected to have more surgery in the off-season.

And we'll see how the rest of the season goes but so far he's made a mockery of the usual ageing curves for his position.

Also fwiw he's 34, not 35.

All in all, it seems a bit premature to forecast he'll be gone next season already.



Working that one out would take a decent amount of time in a non-stunted environment to allow him to shake off bad habits and what not. Doubt he gets it.

Tbh the big one for me is what the hell is going on that Pickett is such a radically different player in Q4. It's not like Pickett being able to perform to a high level is this rare thing we've never seen, he does it regularly... for one quarter a game. I've never seen anything like it and would love to see someone try to dissect it.

No huddle offense? Coming from behind?

All of which could free him from the stifling Canada/Tomlin '"offense".

 

[Andy99]

No huddle offense? Coming from behind?

All of which could free him from the stifling Canada/Tomlin '"offense".

Confused as to what the opposing D is doing early in games and better able to adjust in Q4? Defense is tired by Q4 or playing prevent because their team is ahead?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

If your goal is to maybe never have a losing season, and definitely never crash and burn with only two or three wins, then Tomlin's team building is for you.

If your goal is to win a championship then it will never happen with this model.

That is the issue.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Confused as to what the opposing D is doing early in games and better able to adjust in Q4? Defense is tired by Q4 or playing prevent because their team is ahead?

Nothing changes in the 4th in his comebacks he has 3 combined passing tds and 2 rushing touchdowns including last year comeback he goes from a 65 completions percentage to 73

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[Mr Jiggyfly]

Tbh the big one for me is what the hell is going on that Pickett is such a radically different player in Q4. It's not like Pickett being able to perform to a high level is this rare thing we've never seen, he does it regularly... for one quarter a game. I've never seen anything like it and would love to see someone try to dissect it.

It’s obviously a change in mindset, which is a powerful thing for any athlete at any level really.

It’s been pounded in KP’s head to minimize risk and not turn the ball over, to let Tomlin’s mighty defense win the game.

That’s basically been confirmed by every beat guy and Tomlin himself in word salad form.

So KP plays meek ball for 3Qs and looks tight and nervous that he’s going to make a mistake.

When Q4 comes he knows it’s now or never, and he just seems to relax and be himself.

It’s not really that weird of a phenomenon when you think about it.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It’s obviously a change in mindset, which is a powerful thing for any athlete at any level really.

It’s been pounded in KP’s head to minimize risk and not turn the ball over, to let Tomlin’s mighty defense win the game.

That’s basically been confirmed by every beat guy and Tomlin himself in word salad form.

So KP plays meek ball for 3Qs and looks tight and nervous that he’s going to make a mistake.

When Q4 comes he knows it’s now or never, and he just seems to relax and be himself.

It’s not really that weird of a phenomenon when you think about it.

And yet the last 3 games kp has multiple turnover worthy plays

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

And yet the last 3 games kp has multiple turnover worthy plays

Every QB has those plays every week, do you not watch any football besides the Steelers?

Telling a kid who played with moxy and a gunslinger attitude in college to now play meek ball and “don’t lose us the game” is going to change his mental makeup.

Tomlin has no f***ing clue how to develop a QB, so this will be an ongoing issue unless he lucks into another HOF QB again to cover all his warts.

Which is about as likely to happen as Tomlin admitting his faults at a press conference.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Every QB has those plays every week, do you not watch any football besides the Steelers?

Telling a kid who played with moxy and a gunslinger attitude in college to now play meek ball and “don’t lose us the game” is going to change his mental makeup.

Tomlin has no f***ing clue how to develop a QB, so this will be an ongoing issue unless he lucks into another HOF QB again to cover all his warts.

Which is about as likely to happen as Tomlin admitting his faults at a press conference.

He isn’t telling him anything Ben was a gunslinger and actually had arm talent Kp doesn’t have the arm strength to be a gunslinger in the nfl.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He isn’t telling him anything Ben was a gunslinger and actually had arm talent Kp doesn’t have the arm strength to be a gunslinger in the nfl.

Ya that’s a lie.

It’s been confirmed by several beat guys, DK, Kaboly and Fillapado.

That’s exactly why after KP helped drive them 92 yards for the winning TD, Tomlin told him he didn’t trust KP to now get him ten yards and win the game.

What kind of message is that to your young QB?

Canada alluded to this ultra conservative offense being what Tomlin wants.

The 400 yard streak predates Canada.

It predates KP.

It’s a Tomlin issue like I’ve explained to you over and over again.

He wants to eke out wins and keep his idiotic winning seasons streak alive. He has no interest in developing a modern offense and living with a young QBs mistakes that can put his precious streak in jeopardy.