OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Pickens being a jagoff was so predictable. The red flags were there last year. Some people just didn't want to see them because of the raw talent.


He's physical in the wrong ways. He's not a good tackler and handsy.

But....I'll take a CB who can actually cover over a CB who's a great tackler and never commits a penalty.

Ideally they trade Pickens and find a legit X, because he and DJ aren’t it.

I’m not a big DJ fan, but if he’s your #2, your receiving core is likely pretty damn good.

Steelers also really need to take into account character when drafting WRs, and I get that’s how you get some that slip, but this has been a constant plague on this org for years now.

Yeah, he can cover like an animal, but he has almost no tackling form.

A good coaching staff should be able to teach such a basic fundamental…

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Pickens is a headcase. The only reason he fell to the Steelers in the first place was because of his injury plus attitude issues, and there was no reason to think those attitude issues would just disappear from him joining the Steelers.

His problem is that he's not nearly good enough of a WR to be also acting like a diva.

 

[Andy99]

Lol

 

[pistolpete11]

Ideally they trade Pickens and find a legit X, because he and DJ aren’t it.

I’m not a big DJ fan, but if he’s your #2, your receiving core is likely pretty damn good.

Steelers also really need to take into account character when drafting WRs, and I get that’s how you get some that slip, but this has been a constant plague on this org for years now.

Nothing will work long term if Pickens is gonna be a jagoff, but I think on the field, Pickens+DJ would be a fine 1-2 punch in a real offense with a legit QB.

Despite this offense's struggles and in particular Pickens' struggles the last 2 weeks, he is still on pace for over 1000 yards and 6 TD's. In a real offense, I think he's in the 1200-1500 range and 10+ TDs. That's a Top 10 WR in the league.

It would be great if DJ was more reliable so he could be your possession guy and Pickens is your big play threat, but still. DJ as a #2 is more than fine. He put up 1100 yards and 8 TD's with 40-year-old Ben running Canada's offense.

Not to mention if they got Muth back, Muth's a borderline top 5 receiving TE in a real offense.

A good coaching staff should be able to teach such a basic fundamental…

I'd put money on Tomlin saying something like "That's not what we do here. Tackling is something you learn at the collegiate level. Things of that nature. Standard is the standard. Other Tomlin-isms."

 

[JTG]

I think this is a perfect draft for us to find a stud tackle. This draft is super deep. Joe Alt would be my ultimate pick...we then play Jones on the right. How much fun would it be for this dude to be on the right side and Jones on the left? Big, long, physical RT who seeks and destroys in the run game.

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[SomeDude]

Tomlin is about to become the first NFL coach to utilize a closer QB.

 

[Andy99]

I think this is a perfect draft for us to find a stud tackle. This draft is super deep. Joe Alt would be my ultimate pick...we then play Jones on the right. How much fun would it be for this dude to be on the right side and Jones on the left? Big, long, physical RT who seeks and destroys in the run game.

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I think DT is a bigger need…likely Heyward is cut, injured and slipped and will be 35..

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Nothing will work long term if Pickens is gonna be a jagoff, but I think on the field, Pickens+DJ would be a fine 1-2 punch in a real offense with a legit QB.

Despite this offense's struggles and in particular Pickens' struggles the last 2 weeks, he is still on pace for over 1000 yards and 6 TD's. In a real offense, I think he's in the 1200-1500 range and 10+ TDs. That's a Top 10 WR in the league.

It would be great if DJ was more reliable so he could be your possession guy and Pickens is your big play threat, but still. DJ as a #2 is more than fine. He put up 1100 yards and 8 TD's with 40-year-old Ben running Canada's offense.

Not to mention if they got Muth back, Muth's a borderline top 5 receiving TE in a real offense.


I'd put money on Tomlin saying something like "That's not what we do here. Tackling is something you learn at the collegiate level. Things of that nature. Standard is the standard. Other Tomlin-isms."

It’s a moot point because Tomlin is the coach, but you can’t build a contending team with me first guys like Pickens.

Maybe if Tomlin didn’t want to run some early 90s NFL offense, Pickens could put up numbers, but guys like him are a ticking time bomb.

I remember having a discussion about AB with someone on here years back when the early warning signs started.

The jist of the convo was this naïve individual thought ABs behavior was fine and it wouldn’t effect the team…

Ya.

Anytime you see these troubling red flags, things rarely get better, and guys like Pickens and their behavior just gets more and more disruptive for the team.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Lol

It’s almost comical at this point.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Pickens sulked and deleted social media, and then added them back. Let's calm down a little. Plus, we passed the trade deadline so he's not getting traded now. They need to calm him down, make him understand that he needs to be better, and then actually feed him the ball because he can be a game changer. It is insane that with this offense people want to get rid of maybe the only true playmaker on it because he is young, immature, and a bit of a drama baby. And, btw, he is right to be pissed about how he is being used. He should never be second fiddle to DJ. We had a whole year last year to see what DJ gets us when he is the focus of the passing game: 6 yards per attempt and 0 TDs. That they can't get Pickens double digit targets is absurd.

 

[Power Surge]

If I was coming out of College and drafted by the Steelers, id know id have to deal with the 3 stooges (Moe)old man dementia Rooney Tunes, Tomlin (Larry) and Canada (Curly)

Trade me right fooking now -Denis Lemeiux-

 

[The Old Master]

Pickens being a jagoff was so predictable. The red flags were there last year. Some people just didn't want to see them because of the raw talent.


He's physical in the wrong ways. He's not a good tackler and handsy.

But....I'll take a CB who can actually cover over a CB who's a great tackler and never commits a penalty.

the biggest - is his hands, i could see a flag happy ref having a field day with him.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I think DT is a bigger need…likely Heyward is cut, injured and slipped and will be 35..

And Center…. No OT other than depth needed IMHO

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think DT is a bigger need…likely Heyward is cut, injured and slipped and will be 35..

Adams is playing fine they also drafted benton whose playing good Larry O and Cam are under contract for 2 more years . Louder and Leal are providing solid depth

And Center…. No OT other than depth needed IMHO

I do think OT is on the menu if Chuks isn’t starting they aren’t paying him 11 million next season and they believe Moore can’t play RT.

 

[Josey Wales]

I do think OT is on the menu if Chuks isn’t starting they aren’t paying him 11 million next season and they believe Moore can’t play RT.

He didn't play because something he said in Jaguars game

 

[pistolpete11]

It’s a moot point because Tomlin is the coach, but you can’t build a contending team with me first guys like Pickens.

Maybe if Tomlin didn’t want to run some early 90s NFL offense, Pickens could put up numbers, but guys like him are a ticking time bomb.

I remember having a discussion about AB with someone on here years back when the early warning signs started.

The jist of the convo was this naïve individual thought ABs behavior was fine and it wouldn’t effect the team…

Ya.

Anytime you see these troubling red flags, things rarely get better, and guys like Pickens and their behavior just gets more and more disruptive for the team.

I hear you, but AB and JuJu are both Super Bowl Champions

I dunno. Of course I agree it would be better to not have to worry about it (and much easier to root for as a fan), but I think guys like that can be managed....at least for a while.

Even AB, the Steelers didn't accomplish much with him, but how much of that is really because of AB's selfishness vs. the D giving up 40 points in the playoffs vs. not having him on the field because of the Burfict hit? The biggest mistake with AB was that they let it get too bad at the end they had no other options.

The best way to handle it is like the Chiefs did with Hill. They got 4 or 5 great years out of him, won a Super Bowl, made another, a few more Conference Championships, and then they were still able to trade him for a boatload of picks at the end.

Just gotta be able to predoct when the negative starts to outweigh the positiveand trade him before that happens. It's possible Pickens is such an asshole that now's the time to cut bait, I don't know.

 

[Andy99]

Adams is playing fine they also drafted benton whose playing good Larry O and Cam are under contract for 2 more years . Louder and Leal are providing solid depth


I do think OT is on the menu if Chuks isn’t starting they aren’t paying him 11 million next season and they believe Moore can’t play RT.

You’re way more positive on the Dline than even the most ardent Steelers fan…Benton is good…Leal and Adams mediocre…Louder is below averare…Cam and Larry are getting up there in age and injured a lot…Dline is a big need

 

[Rossi Rat]

Lol

The person who runs the Penguins Jesus X account is a loud and proud Penn State man (of course), and while I do worry a bit about Pickens being a diva, Pickens does have a bit of a point about the offense underutilizing him. But it’s hard to have a leg to stand on when they are still winning and he should have had that TD Thursday night.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He didn't play because something he said in Jaguars game

Right so is he going back to RT against greenbay or does Jones who is clearly the best O like mzn play RT

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You’re way more positive on the Dline than even the most ardent Steelers fan…Benton is good…Leal and Adams mediocre…Louder is below averare…Cam and Larry are getting up there in age and injured a lot…Dline is a big need

Adams been really good this season is on pace for most tackles in his career and started even when Cam was back on Thursday. He is 28. Louder is a solid run stuffer he isn’t going to rush the passer ever

 

[pistolpete11]

You’re way more positive on the Dline than even the most ardent Steelers fan…Benton is good…Leal and Adams mediocre…Louder is below averare…Cam and Larry are getting up there in age and injured a lot…Dline is a big need

They've needed D-Line and O-Line since they lost Tuitt, Pouncey, and DeCastro all at the same time. Some bad luck. Nothing you can do about it.

Anyway, let's draft a RB in the first round, a receiving TE in the second, and a C who never played C in the third. Then we can go with a QB and WR the next year. That'll fix things up.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The person who runs the Penguins Jesus X account is a loud and proud Penn State man (of course), and while I do worry a bit about Pickens being a diva, Pickens does have a bit of a point about the offense underutilizing him. But it’s hard to have a leg to stand on when they are still winning and he should have had that TD Thursday night.

The people in the locker room don’t say he is divia they all agree he is extremely immature and wants to be wanted Foster said its part of how he grew up

They've needed D-Line and O-Line since they lost Tuitt, Pouncey, and DeCastro all at the same time. Some bad luck. Nothing you can do about it.

Anyway, let's draft a RB in the first round, a receiving TE in the second, and a C who never played C in the third. Then we can go with a QB and WR the next year. That'll fix things up.

They dumped a ton of money into the o line because they didn’t draft any. They top 7 is all under contract for next season on the o line

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I hear you, but AB and JuJu are both Super Bowl Champions

I dunno. Of course I agree it would be better to not have to worry about it (and much easier to root for as a fan), but I think guys like that can be managed....at least for a while.

Even AB, the Steelers didn't accomplish much with him, but how much of that is really because of AB's selfishness vs. the D giving up 40 points in the playoffs vs. not having him on the field because of the Burfict hit? The biggest mistake with AB was that they let it get too bad at the end they had no other options.

The best way to handle it is like the Chiefs did with Hill. They got 4 or 5 great years out of him, won a Super Bowl, made another, a few more Conference Championships, and then they were still able to trade him for a boatload of picks at the end.

Just gotta be able to predoct when the negative starts to outweigh the positiveand trade him before that happens. It's possible Pickens is such an asshole that now's the time to cut bait, I don't know.

AB and JuJu rode the tailcoats of the GOAT and what will be the GOAT of his generation to a SB ring.

They were bit players that didn’t have a primary role and knew to keep their mouths shut and their antics to a minimum on those teams.

Of course AB could only hold it in for so long lmao.

All a moot point anyway since again they aren’t winning anything meaningful with Mediocre Mike at the helm.

Just would be nice for once to root for a Steelers team that doesn’t have any selfish me first douche bags.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The person who runs the Penguins Jesus X account is a loud and proud Penn State man (of course), and while I do worry a bit about Pickens being a diva, Pickens does have a bit of a point about the offense underutilizing him. But it’s hard to have a leg to stand on when they are still winning and he should have had that TD Thursday night.

Exactly.

You can give Pickins grief for Diva actions. Especially given our experience with similar in the past.

But at the same time nothing he is saying differs from what any of us have been saying.

There is an old Jewish saying. If one person calls you an ass don't worry about it.

If two people call you an ass don't worry about it.

If three people call you an ass don't worry about it.

If four people call you an ass start wearing a saddle because you probably are one.

At some point we need to admit that we don't have a Diva Receiver problem so much as a coaching staff filled with saddle wearing asses.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Lmao how he works these rubes.

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