OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates

Who wins?


  • Total voters
    31
Status
Not open for further replies.
Yea Sims was a nice addition last year, but believe there are a ton of his type laying around waiting for a phone call. Robinson and Austin supplement this position just fine. They also have A Miller as a possibility too.

The AR trade reminds me of when they brought in Jerricho Cotchery a year after they drafted Ab and Sanders, and they formed the dumb ass "Young Money" shit with Wallace.

Cotch was that reliable, vet presence those guys needed.

AR can fill that same role with the young guys like Pickens, Austin 3 and Muth... maybe even teach DJ how to catch TDs and hold onto the ball.
 
The AR trade reminds me of when they brought in Jerricho Cotchery a year after they drafted Ab and Sanders, and they formed the dumb ass "Young Money" shit with Wallace.

Cotch was that reliable, vet presence those guys needed.

AR can fill that same role with the young guys like Pickens, Austin 3 and Muth.

Well I'm hoping AR is mature. There are thoughts out there that AR stopped trying immediately after he got paid. I'll have to see with my own eyes before I rely on other viewpoints, but it's something I plan to monitor
 
Well I'm hoping AR is mature. There are thoughts out there that AR stopped trying immediately after he got paid. I'll have to see with my own eyes before I rely on other viewpoints, but it's something I plan to monitor

Never heard any rumors about him quitting or having attitude issues, but I've mostly watched him play and not followed his clippings.

He got that 3? year deal with Chi, then put up a decent season (think he was coming off an ACL when signed?) had more injuries that first year, followed by b2b 1000 yd campaigns, then his final season got stuck playing with Fields and had some injury issues again.

So not sure when people are accusing him of quitting, especially when he's had to play with some pretty bad Qbs most of his career.
 
Yeah I mean it’s not a need. If you pencil 30 targets a game and 510 targets for the season, 350 to DJ/Pickens/Pat (20+ per game) and another 100 to the RBs that’s about 60 left for backup WRs and TEs which is tiny.

My post is more about getting the best player. All things equal the best player at OT or CB is best case. But in 3-5 years give me superstar game tilting WR or EDGE or IOL over serviceable CB/OT. Just saying that bringing in Robinson or any other mid level vet shouldn’t change anything on draft front.

I also think a top OT or CB could struggle too, and the non top guys even moreso. Those are really hard positions with typically steep learning curves. So idk how much you’re giving up in year 1 even if the JSN/Addison/Mayer/whoever doesn’t catch 80 balls, or if the EDGE doesn’t see a ton of snaps. Also injuries do happen.

Long story short basically position should be a tiebreaker for BPA imo. I can’t predict who that will be; but if you could predict the future and told me “Kincaid is going to be Kittle 2.0” I wouldn’t avoid him because of targets in year 1.


you could say they’re covered at any position is kinda my point. So they need talent more than any one position in my opinion.

As one of us said to the other a few pages back, the likelihood is that BPA at around 17 is going to come down to who you think you can develop best and who fits your scheme best.

To expand on that, the quality seems to be fairly flat from about 15 to 40 or so. There's no obvious superstars lurking. The possible fallers from the top 15 who aren't completely mad for the Steelers are OTs, CBs, and possibly Edges and DLs. There's a bit of a slope, but not so much of a one that the idea of turning down a guy regularly mocked at 20 for a guy regularly mocked at 35 at 32 is insane. I mean, that'd basically be saying "I'd take Darnell Washington over Michael Mayer". I don't think most teams would do that, but I can see that being a better gamble for some

As such, I think it's something of a moot point. The Steelers aren't going to be in a position where a WR or TE is very clearly the best player available at 17 or 32 (unless you want to take Bijan Robinson and tell him his name is now Deebo Samuel, which I do). That might change come 49 (or a trade down from 32) but it feels unlikely the best WRs will fall. TE is different, you could potentially get a stupid bargain there but the Steelers don't look they're preparing for that all that much. It feels like, from the guys they've looked at most, they don't see the point unless it's a guy who can duplicate Gentry's blocking to an extent. Which I think makes some sense. A lot of the possibilities of 2 TE sets go out the window if neither guy is a plus blocker. The Steelers can use 2 TEs, but I don't think they can use 2 Freiermuths.

I also think that while they can justify just about every position short of QB and RB - I'd also add Guard to that right now - I think there's some positions where you'd have to justify not taking them early.

They pretty much need a Tackle. They're in a nightmare scenario if Moore or Okorafor go down, and it should be very easy for a guy to steal their snaps and improve the team. It's a premium position so you have to strike early; you're already arguably out of guys who can cover for injuries there by 32. You almost certainly are by the end of the 2nd.

Their need for a CB is nearly as strong. Less about this year, but it's a premium position where they now have no future and where a guy coming in and stealing snaps straight away could be a huge boost. If the guy could play inside off the bat and start Maulet being 1st choice nickelback, even better.

And after that I think the positions all kinda jostle around depending on preference, but it feels to me like you can only really afford to address one in the first 3 picks, unless the value is insane in which case punting CB to the 3rd round could work out okay thanks to a deep draft.
 
As one of us said to the other a few pages back, the likelihood is that BPA at around 17 is going to come down to who you think you can develop best and who fits your scheme best.

To expand on that, the quality seems to be fairly flat from about 15 to 40 or so. There's no obvious superstars lurking. The possible fallers from the top 15 who aren't completely mad for the Steelers are OTs, CBs, and possibly Edges and DLs. There's a bit of a slope, but not so much of a one that the idea of turning down a guy regularly mocked at 20 for a guy regularly mocked at 35 at 32 is insane. I mean, that'd basically be saying "I'd take Darnell Washington over Michael Mayer". I don't think most teams would do that, but I can see that being a better gamble for some

As such, I think it's something of a moot point. The Steelers aren't going to be in a position where a WR or TE is very clearly the best player available at 17 or 32 (unless you want to take Bijan Robinson and tell him his name is now Deebo Samuel, which I do). That might change come 49 (or a trade down from 32) but it feels unlikely the best WRs will fall. TE is different, you could potentially get a stupid bargain there but the Steelers don't look they're preparing for that all that much. It feels like, from the guys they've looked at most, they don't see the point unless it's a guy who can duplicate Gentry's blocking to an extent. Which I think makes some sense. A lot of the possibilities of 2 TE sets go out the window if neither guy is a plus blocker. The Steelers can use 2 TEs, but I don't think they can use 2 Freiermuths.

I also think that while they can justify just about every position short of QB and RB - I'd also add Guard to that right now - I think there's some positions where you'd have to justify not taking them early.

They pretty much need a Tackle. They're in a nightmare scenario if Moore or Okorafor go down, and it should be very easy for a guy to steal their snaps and improve the team. It's a premium position so you have to strike early; you're already arguably out of guys who can cover for injuries there by 32. You almost certainly are by the end of the 2nd.

Their need for a CB is nearly as strong. Less about this year, but it's a premium position where they now have no future and where a guy coming in and stealing snaps straight away could be a huge boost. If the guy could play inside off the bat and start Maulet being 1st choice nickelback, even better.

And after that I think the positions all kinda jostle around depending on preference, but it feels to me like you can only really afford to address one in the first 3 picks, unless the value is insane in which case punting CB to the 3rd round could work out okay thanks to a deep draft.
I can definitely see a scenario where the top 16 players taken are all defense and offensive line and maybe the best TE or WR in the class is still sitting there…if that’s the case and the Steelers think that’s a sure thing blue chip player, take the WR/TE
 
Last edited:
I can definitely see a scenario where the top 16 players taken are all defense and offensive line and maybe the best TE or WR in the class is still sitting there…if that’s the case and the Steelers think that a sure thing blue chip player, take the WR/TE

Well yeah. But my point is I don't think the Steelers are acting like there's a sure thing blue chip player TE/WR that could be there, and I don't think there's one either. If there was, they'd routinely be getting mocked at 10 and be a pipe dream/good thing that pushes OTs towards us.

I look at JSN/Addison/Mayer/Quentin Johnston/Kincaid and see good players, that could be fantastic players... but better than Darnell Wright or Deonte Banks? Or even just better than each other?

In the quite possible situation that the draft falls as you say, first four Tackles and first four CBs off of the board with all the offensive weapons there, I'd like to see the Steelers trade down. Grab the additional day 2/early day 3 picks that can fill out a kinda thin squad.

The only players that would make me question that is a guy like Murphy or maybe Van Ness comes tumbling towards us. I'm real iffy about taking Edge depth in the 1st, but I'm more willing to believe they'll be top 10 style talents we can't turn down at 17.
 
Well yeah. But my point is I don't think the Steelers are acting like there's a sure thing blue chip player TE/WR that could be there, and I don't think there's one either. If there was, they'd routinely be getting mocked at 10 and be a pipe dream/good thing that pushes OTs towards us.

I look at JSN/Addison/Mayer/Quentin Johnston/Kincaid and see good players, that could be fantastic players... but better than Darnell Wright or Deonte Banks? Or even just better than each other?

In the quite possible situation that the draft falls as you say, first four Tackles and first four CBs off of the board with all the offensive weapons there, I'd like to see the Steelers trade down. Grab the additional day 2/early day 3 picks that can fill out a kinda thin squad.

The only players that would make me question that is a guy like Murphy or maybe Van Ness comes tumbling towards us. I'm real iffy about taking Edge depth in the 1st, but I'm more willing to believe they'll be top 10 style talents we can't turn down at 17.
This could be very possible. JSN in the slot with Pickett really could be lethal. I also think Mayer could tumble down the board, but he would be a phenomenal TE to pair with Freiermuth because they both are so well rounded as players.

Darnell Wright is my favorite guy at 17, I think. Strong side RT who could really move the needle in the run game immediately.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Double-Shift Lasse
They really have not scouted WR or TE. I just don't see a WR or TE, especially at 17 or even 32.

Darnell Washington, LaPorta and JSN are the only high end guys that had decision makers at their pro days. And they all have huge * attached to them.

  • Washington was because they were at the Georgia pro day because they always go to it and wanted to look at Jones and Carter, the TE position coach was not there.
  • Laporta was because they went to Iowa to see Campbell and Van Ness, TE position coach was not there.
  • JSN was because it was Ohio State's pro day and they always go to it and wanted to see Johnson Jr, TE and WR position coaches were not there.
For additional reference:

  • Michael Mayer. The TE coach and Weidl were at the Penn State pro day which was on the same day as Notre Dame pro day. If they wanted to look at Mayer they would have sent the TE coach to ND. They did get to see Brenton Strange at PSU who is a late round/UDFA guy.
  • Luke Musgrave. Unknown personnel member was there. VP of Player Personnel Dan Rooney JR went to South Carolina pro day on that same day.
  • Dalton Kinkaid. Had a senior scout at the Utah pro day.
  • Luke Schoonmaker. Bunch of decision makers plus TE coach at Michigan pro day.

Other than the Washington effect. I don't see them taking a WR or TE until day 3 of the draft.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Buddy Bizarre
The visit makes me more hopeful they're interested in Washington. I think he'd be the perfect complement to Freiermuth.

@JTG - at what draft pick would you be thinking "c'mon c'mon you've gotta" with JSN or Mayer? 32?
 
The visit makes me more hopeful they're interested in Washington. I think he'd be the perfect complement to Freiermuth.

@JTG - at what draft pick would you be thinking "c'mon c'mon you've gotta" with JSN or Mayer? 32?
Man, that's hard. 32 for JSN. 47 for Mayer.

I'd really consider trading a 1st and 3rd next year to one of these teams that has two 2nds. This draft is freakin loaded. First round talent is going to drop to the mid-2nd. It's like a hand of blackjack where the dealer is showing a 6. Maximize assets as much as possible this year and let's get this ball really rolling.

I'd really like to see Khan find a replacement for DJ and Highsmith. If we can find two competent replacements, maybe we can flip the two of them for picks and some cap relief.
 
Man, that's hard. 32 for JSN. 47 for Mayer.

I'd really consider trading a 1st and 3rd next year to one of these teams that has two 2nds. This draft is freakin loaded. First round talent is going to drop to the mid-2nd. It's like a hand of blackjack where the dealer is showing a 6. Maximize assets as much as possible this year and let's get this ball really rolling.

I'd really like to see Khan find a replacement for DJ and Highsmith. If we can find two competent replacements, maybe we can flip the two of them for picks and some cap relief.

You sprint to the podium @32 if JSN is there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JTG
You sprint to the podium @32 if JSN is there.
Honestly, JSN is more of a weapon for us than Addison would be, I think. We have a hole at the slot WR position, and he's probably one of the better pure slot WRs to come around in some time. With how the offense has been run to this point, I could see JSN having upper echelon stats here as a rookie. His speed (and Addison's speed) are kind of moot to me. Both players play the game much faster than their 40 times. This being said, if we drafted JSN, I think DJ's stats go down the toilet. DJ already hasn't been a real target for Pickett, and I think JSN would get many first looks.

I have a few guys that I think could come in immediately and really move the needle for us - Darnell Wright, JSN, Mazi Smith, Jack Campbell, and basically the top 5 CB's (Witherspoon, Gonzalez, JPJ, Banks, and Branch). The top 3 tackles very well could be immediate starters also, but I don't think that's a guarantee. The guys I Iisted, I think they win spots out of camp. Broderick Jones is still my #1 tackle. He may need a year, but I think he's a legit franchise bookend when he develops.

Of the most intriguing prospects, Van Ness and Keion White have to top that for me. These guys have 5-tech builds and rush OLB measurables. I don't think I've ever seen anything like the two of them, and I've been a draft nut for a long time. Van Ness is a type of player the Ravens take.
 
They really have not scouted WR or TE. I just don't see a WR or TE, especially at 17 or even 32.

Darnell Washington, LaPorta and JSN are the only high end guys that had decision makers at their pro days. And they all have huge * attached to them.

  • Washington was because they were at the Georgia pro day because they always go to it and wanted to look at Jones and Carter, the TE position coach was not there.
  • Laporta was because they went to Iowa to see Campbell and Van Ness, TE position coach was not there.
  • JSN was because it was Ohio State's pro day and they always go to it and wanted to see Johnson Jr, TE and WR position coaches were not there.
For additional reference:

  • Michael Mayer. The TE coach and Weidl were at the Penn State pro day which was on the same day as Notre Dame pro day. If they wanted to look at Mayer they would have sent the TE coach to ND. They did get to see Brenton Strange at PSU who is a late round/UDFA guy.
  • Luke Musgrave. Unknown personnel member was there. VP of Player Personnel Dan Rooney JR went to South Carolina pro day on that same day.
  • Dalton Kinkaid. Had a senior scout at the Utah pro day.
  • Luke Schoonmaker. Bunch of decision makers plus TE coach at Michigan pro day.

Other than the Washington effect. I don't see them taking a WR or TE until day 3 of the draft.

On my earlier point. Here are the WRs and TEs they brought in for pre-draft visits to the team facility.

Wide receiver

Charlie Jones, Purdue
Jonathan Mingo, Ole Miss
Jayden Reed, Michigan State
Bryce Ford-Wheaton, WVU
Cedric Tillman, Tennessee

Tight end

Darnell Washington, Georgia

Again, pretty much all Day 3 guys except for Washington.
 
JSN at 32 could be a giant steal. But then in a few years, so could Anton Harrison or Trenton Simpson. JSN is more sure, but it's not like the guys I named are wild long shots.

I personally would be very interested in either JSN or Mayer at 32 but could see being equally interested in another guy that feels more of a need. 49 would be sprint to the podium territory.

Also the receiving weapon situation is weird to me because it feels like at the end of the season we could be strutting about how great it is, or completely down on it, or anywhere inbetween. The difference between a DJ bounce back, mild progression for Pickens, and Austin being legit, and no improvement, a mild sophomore slump, and Austin just being a gadget guy, is the difference between maybe looking for another depth WR and taking two WRs, one real early.
 
Bryce Ford-Wheaton is definitely a guy I think we should be interested in. I watched him against Pitt and Kansas, which if you only saw him those two games, he'd give you the warm and fuzzies.

Perfect project WR, IMO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pens1566
So one thing that should be noted - 2024 draft has a much deeper QB class and a much deeper LT class.

For tackles, Joe Alt and Olu Fashanu would be easily 1-2 in this draft, and Kingsley Suamataia would probably be right there with Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones.

Joe Alt and Bryce Foster are probably my two favorite guys in 2024, but I highly doubt we would have a shot at Alt, and Bryce Foster is probably a 2nd round pick.

I'd feel comfortable using 2024 picks to get more picks in 2023. I think this draft is deeper.
 
So one thing that should be noted - 2024 draft has a much deeper QB class and a much deeper LT class.

For tackles, Joe Alt and Olu Fashanu would be easily 1-2 in this draft, and Kingsley Suamataia would probably be right there with Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones.

Joe Alt and Bryce Foster are probably my two favorite guys in 2024, but I highly doubt we would have a shot at Alt, and Bryce Foster is probably a 2nd round pick.

I'd feel comfortable using 2024 picks to get more picks in 2023. I think this draft is deeper.
But we aren’t a hand full of players from winning a championship so why use picks in 24? Teams usually go all in year 3 of their rookie Qb season use this draft to rebuild the defensive depth and go all in in year on offense if needed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Buddy Bizarre
Bryce Ford-Wheaton is definitely a guy I think we should be interested in. I watched him against Pitt and Kansas, which if you only saw him those two games, he'd give you the warm and fuzzies.

Perfect project WR, IMO.

As a Pitt fan, it certainly did :DD
 
But we aren’t a hand full of players from winning a championship so why use picks in 24? Teams usually go all in year 3 of their rookie Qb season use this draft to rebuild the defensive depth and go all in in year on offense if needed.
Because the players in the top half of the 2nd round this year would more than likely be 1st rounders next year. If we can flood the roster with talent, we may be able to legitimately compete by the 3rd year of Pickett's deal v. year 5.

As a Pitt fan, it certainly did :DD
Yeah, he torched us. I watched that game in Siesta Key, FL and it was a bar that was packed to the brim with Pitt and WVU fans. It was a great time and BFW went completely off that game.
 
Gerry Dulac said that the Steelers view Skoronski as a guard in his chat today, and I’ve also heard Dale Lolley allude to that as well. Dulac was horribly wrong about the draft last year though.
 
Because the players in the top half of the 2nd round this year would more than likely be 1st rounders next year. If we can flood the roster with talent, we may be able to legitimately compete by the 3rd year of Pickett's deal v. year 5.


Yeah, he torched us. I watched that game in Siesta Key, FL and it was a bar that was packed to the brim with Pitt and WVU fans. It was a great time and BFW went completely off that game.

Yeah, Ford-Wheaton could be a real steal if he can put it all together. He was either stealing games or invisible at WVU. Great ability with contested catches. Just an all around physical freak as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad