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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

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WheresRamziAbid said:
1. There is no chance owners would agree to that. If they gave in and made deals guaranteed, it certainly wouldn't be retroactive and if they wouldn't include provision to protect themselves the contracts signed in the interim would be artificially low until the scales balance. They would then keep wages lower to account for and leave margins for injuries/under performance.

The idea that owners would ever agree to anything that would bleed the bottom line is just silly.

2. The funding rules isn't a false flag. Its very apparent on its surface what the ramifications are. There very well might be unspoken benefits with the rule but thats still not collusion.
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1. The way they do business makes it impossible to do anything you would suggest, as we have already gone over. Redoing the CBA to accommodate what you have suggested would be such a massive undertaking that it would only happen in a fantasy world. This is exactly how the owners wanted things and it was carefully orchestrated this way for decades. It will not be changing in our lifetimes.

2. Of course it's a false flag. It's bargaining in bad faith and it's 100% collusion. The rule is strictly in there to weaponize teams during negotiations.

Thinking a bunch of sleazy rich guys, who have been finding countless ways to f*** over the players for decades, didn't sit around and collude over this rule is comical.

Why they would never!

It's obvious we aren't going to see eye to eye.

We can just agree they are scumbags, and disagree that they live in fear of collusion (and ya I'm laughing as I type that).
 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
1. The way they do business makes it impossible to do anything you would suggest, as we have already gone over. Redoing the CBA to accommodate what you have suggested would be such a massive undertaking that it would only happen in a fantasy world. This is exactly how the owners wanted things and it was carefully orchestrated this way for decades. It will not be changing in our lifetimes.

2. Of course it's a false flag. It's bargaining in bad faith and it's 100% collusion. The rule is strictly in there to weaponize teams during negotiations.

Thinking a bunch of sleazy rich guys, who have been finding countless ways to f*** over the players for decades, didn't sit around and collude over this rule is comical.

Why they would never!

We can just agree they are scumbags, and disagree that they live in fear of collusion (and ya I'm laughing as I type that).
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You clearly dont know the actual definition of collusion or a false flag is if you believe the funding rule is either.

And when did i say, or elude to as “why they would never”. They absolutely would. IF. THEY NEEDED TO. But they dont need to. It would literally be all risk and no reward.

Even the most arrogant owner wouldnt be dumb enough. They might say something to the effect of “Haslams an idiot”, “why would anyone fully guarantee a deal that big” but neither of those are collusion.

Literally for it to be collusion, they would have had to get together and make an informal agreement to never guarantee contracts. Negotiating a CBA rule to make guaranteeing contracts harder isnt collusion. Its literally right in the agreement.

Are NFL owners slimeballs that would sell there mothers for a dollar, probably. Do they use every advantage both ethical or not? Absolutely. That doesn't mean they break laws for no gain.

You position is literally the owners suck so much they do anything for their own advantage. Why on gods green earth would they shit on an advantage they get for free? And open the door to massive lawsuits, when all they have to do is … wait for it … absolutely nothing.
 
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As bad as the Claypool trade was for them is as good as this one is. I could see them swinging a deal to move up if there is a guy they really want.

I give the Bears credit - they are aggressively generally managed. You have to live and die by that sword.

Pens1566 said:
Maybe they take a page from the Steelers playbook and stay local w/Skoronski?
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That was my immediate thought. And it makes a ton of sense.
 
JTG said:
As bad as the Claypool trade was for them is as good as this one is. I could see them swinging a deal to move up if there is a guy they really want.

I give the Bears credit - they are aggressively generally managed. You have to live and die by that sword.


That was my immediate thought. And it makes a ton of sense.
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They have to find someone willing to trade up - Eagles maybe?
 
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I have been watching back some combine stuff. Broderick Jones looks like a TE and he's 310. He could really put on weight and probably not lose any athleticism. What a specimen.

I like this draft. I think we are going to pull out 3 immediate starters.
 
Seeing some chatter that the Bears are considering Smith-Njigba @9. Dude had an impressive combine. I've always thought he'd be a great pick. Maybe a tad high, but who knows.
 
i'm giving it a few more days to settle down. by then we should see the rankings start conforming a little more. then we will have a better idea how things will go. (although we can never be sure)
 
I can't see the Bears doing Smith-Njigba at 9 when they already just got Moore and Claypool. Not when they have so many needs everywhere else.
 
Pens1566 said:
Seeing some chatter that the Bears are considering Smith-Njigba @9. Dude had an impressive combine. I've always thought he'd be a great pick. Maybe a tad high, but who knows.
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I will be shocked if its not an o line men at 9. Moore is the number 1 plus Mooney is a solid number 2
 
Also I like how the news on William Jackson getting released hasn't even been worth mentioning here. Think we all assumed that one was happening, right?
 
Peat said:
Also I like how the news on William Jackson getting released hasn't even been worth mentioning here. Think we all assumed that one was happening, right?
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Yeah him and jack release are expected and the extension to MT to be the backup for the next few years
 
JTG said:
Seattle maybe?
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Even with the Smith deal they are probably QB hunting so not sure they will trade out of their spot.

Eagles, Titans, Jets and Pats might be their best bets, but obviously it depends on what they are looking for.
 
The Old Master said:
that and a few fa's could put us right back in it.
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It is true. It's funny because this draft is set up for Dick Lebeau. Some really great blitzing linebackers. I remember when Blitzburgh came back in the early 90's and how much fun that was. With guys like Sanders, Sewell, Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Adebawore, Andre Carter, so many pure blitzing guys could make this draft fun. Khan/Weidl could really turn this thing around in a quick hurry if they can hit in both free agency and the draft.

Going through PFF Draft stuff, I don't know if it's normal, but a lot of guys came in WAY under their reported weight. Emmanuel Forbes was listed at 180, he came in at 166. Tuli Tuipolotu was listed at 290. People were talking about him being a really good 3-4 end. He weighed 266.

Andre Carter came in at 266, and looked like a twig. Being that he's in the Army he can't football train year round. Whatever team gets a hold of him I think is going to have a freak. I could totally see him putting on 20-30 pounds without losing speed and being 6'7. Really interesting project for a player.
 
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For all that I feel like one good draft and FA period could patch all the holes on the team and get another couple of minor difference makers, getting really back into it all comes down to Pickett and Watt's fitness.
 
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My money is on them bringing back Spillane for continuity, then cutting Jack and using the money on a different ILB with greater hopes. I wouldn't be utterly surprised if they keep Jack though.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
He saved Haurbugh job and has a winning record and they were in 1st place before he got hurt both seasons. They scored 13 points with out this season.
Is this argument going to be used against herbert. Murray has 0 playoff wins and got 190
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Justin Herbert can actually throw the football well… and he doesn’t play a style of football that leads to him being more likely to get injured. Lamar Jackson wants $240 million guaranteed even though he hasn’t finished the last 2 regular seasons and quit on his team last year by sitting out a playoff game that he could have played in. People aren’t going to jump at giving him huge guaranteed money with all of those things. Arizona was stupid for giving Kyler that deal
 
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