OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

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The highly speculative forecast of the Steelers' needs come the 2nd of 2023

OL - Best case, you're looking to future proof RT/G/C. More likely, you're looking for starters at RT and C.

Honestly, I'm not sure I see any needs to address the guard or center position. They currently have Seumalo and Daniels as their starters with Dotson and Herbig as backups for the guard position, I think both of those should be good. Cole is a bit underwhelming as a center, but I don't know how important it is to get a great center when you have 2 very good guards around him.

I agree on RT though. Do teams usually use 1sts on RTs like they do on LTs? I figure a RT would be more of a 2nd round type of target, similar to a center. I don't particularly want either Moore or Okorafor as a starter.
 
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IIRC he blew out his ACL in 2021 and it continued to impact his play in 2022.

It really seemed like Khan went with more risky but potential boom prospects with their later picks. Washington falls in the same category, although he’s such a good run blocker that he may still be a somewhat safe bet.

Some NFC scout said Washington’s injury concerns were silly.

He just has to become a unique red zone threat for that pick to have a big impact. He gives anymore than that and it’s gravy.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure I see any needs to address the guard or center position. They currently have Seumalo and Daniels as their starters with Dotson and Herbig as backups for the guard position, I think both of those should be good. Cole is a bit underwhelming as a center, but I don't know how important it is to get a great center when you have 2 very good guards around him.

I agree on RT though. Do teams usually use 1sts on RTs like they do on LTs? I figure a RT would be more of a 2nd round type of target, similar to a center. I don't particularly want either Moore or Okorafor as a starter.

I'm not in a rush to replace Cole so much as I don't seen the point in bringing him back and would like to have his replacement in place when his contract is up in 24. Taking the guy a year early is probably the smart move if you can.

Agreed about Guard though, I'd forgotten about Herbig.

As for RTs... I dunno. I know when Wright was rising in the last fortnight a few pundits were talking about teams now valuing RTs higher. More teams that have their best Edges facing RTs, just not enough Tackles to be getting picky, or whatever reason. I dunno how different the athletic profile traditionally has been for the two.

But Okorafor is absolutely the starter who I most want replaced at this stage.
 
Honestly the Steelers really don’t seem to have any major flaws going forward after all they’ve added in the off-season. It still remains to be seen how the new picks do, but I’m not seeing many flaws on the team going forward.

The only super notable name that’s a free agent next year is Highsmith. I’d be planning on not retaining him and using the 2024 1st on an edge. But beyond that, they’re sitting really well IMO.
I love this draft as much as anyone.

But none of these players have played a down.

We don't know yet how many holes we actually filled.
Some NFC scout said Washington’s injury concerns were silly.

He just has to become a unique red zone threat for that pick to have a big impact. He gives anymore than that and it’s gravy.
It was an inflammation of the knee at the combine.

It absolutely was nothing but happened at the worst time for him.

Best time for the Steelers.

 
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I love this draft as much as anyone.

But none of these players have played a down.

We don't know yet how many holes we actually filled.

They’re not going to pull the plug on the guys they drafted after 1 year unless they’re really bad, though.

I don’t think their LT spot is definitely solved with Jones or their CB spot is definitely solved with JPJ. But unless they’re really bad this year, the Steelers likely aren’t going to try to draft a replacement next year.
 
Brugler talked up Benton as well as danny kelly picked him as the guy 3 years from now that people say “how did that team get him there”

Agreed. Benton fits this team perfectly. More than capable playing nose, but can play all DL positions.
 
Honestly the Steelers really don’t seem to have any major flaws going forward after all they’ve added in the off-season. It still remains to be seen how the new picks do, but I’m not seeing many flaws on the team going forward.
the only drawback is how quick can they come in and play. it may take a little more time than i'm hoping.
 
They’re not going to pull the plug on the guys they drafted after 1 year unless they’re really bad, though.

I don’t think their LT spot is definitely solved with Jones or their CB spot is definitely solved with JPJ. But unless they’re really bad this year, the Steelers likely aren’t going to try to draft a replacement next year.

Taking a LT and moving Jones to RT seems plausible if the value is there.

Taking another CB high is even more so now I think about it properly. Wallace and Witherspoon are up at the end of the season, Peterson would only have one more left; even if Porter does fantastic, grabbing another guy makes a ton of sense. You could punt the need, but it'd only disappear if Trice is absolutely fantastic.
 
Taking a LT and moving Jones to RT seems plausible if the value is there.

Taking another CB high is even more so now I think about it properly. Wallace and Witherspoon are up at the end of the season, Peterson would only have one more left; even if Porter does fantastic, grabbing another guy makes a ton of sense. You could punt the need, but it'd only disappear if Trice is absolutely fantastic.

No what I meant is that those guys fill needs unless they perform really poorly because I don’t think the Steelers will pull the plug on them that fast. The CB point is valid to mention because you obviously have more than 1 CB on your roster, but I’d be shocked to see Jones not get at least 2-3 years at LT.

The CB discussion is interesting to have because I’m not entirely sure how much capital you have to spend on a CB2, if Porter Jr is your assumed CB1 going forward. Do you use another high pick (1st or 2nd) to get a CB2? Or is that role not important enough to use that kind of capital to fill it?
 
The CB discussion is interesting to have because I’m not entirely sure how much capital you have to spend on a CB2, if Porter Jr is your assumed CB1 going forward. Do you use another high pick (1st or 2nd) to get a CB2? Or is that role not important enough to use that kind of capital to fill it?
unless something happens, i can see us going back to the best guy available. instead of looking to fill a need
 
No what I meant is that those guys fill needs unless they perform really poorly because I don’t think the Steelers will pull the plug on them that fast. The CB point is valid to mention because you obviously have more than 1 CB on your roster, but I’d be shocked to see Jones not get at least 2-3 years at LT.

The CB discussion is interesting to have because I’m not entirely sure how much capital you have to spend on a CB2, if Porter Jr is your assumed CB1 going forward. Do you use another high pick (1st or 2nd) to get a CB2? Or is that role not important enough to use that kind of capital to fill it?

I get that. I just think this version of the Steelers feels a bit more ruthless and demanding than the previous version. More willing to upgrade from good if the opportunity knocks. It's why I wouldn't rule out them pushing guys aside quickly.

As for CB2... I think it should be valued highly. I think there's a few too many teams with real high end WR2s to get complacent with it. But if you're having to get a new starting Edge, or if Pickens and DJ disappoint, it doesn't come above that. So... wait and see?

At this stage, Okorafor is the starter and its too late to replace him. We already replaced LT and LG.

Right, I'm projecting where the team will be end of next season.

I'd also point out that if Moore spends this summer learning how to play RT - which he should if he has any sense - Okorafor's spot could be in jeopardy very quickly. Moore is a notably better athlete with a nastier demeanor. If he can get his muscle memory used to playing on the other side, I don't see why he shouldn't threaten to take that spot.
 
The overall pre-draft player rankings of TE Darnell Washington:

38th Mel Kiper Jr.

39th Todd McShay

30th Daniel Jeremiah

33rd Dane Brugler
It is really funny but it is the one place where his size worked against him.

If you see his picture he is as lean and muscled as you could want. Not flabby at all for a guy approaching 270 pounds. But that height and weight made some go nuts at something they wouldn't have cared about normally. Some inflammation of one knee. Not an injury. Inflammation.

Can it be an issue with a guy that big?

Sure.

But more so for an offensive lineman who is not nearly as built and heavier. If you feel that way never spend a first rounder on am offensive lineman.

Just group stupidity.
 
I’m pretty sure they will be hunting for a dominant lead dog to replace Heyward next draft.

Mostly every other position we will have to wait and see how the season plays out.
 
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These Herbig boys I think are going to be fan favorites. They have great energy about them. Nate Herbig just seems like a big laid back doofus, until he straps pads on and he turns into a wrecking ball.

I think aside from the upgrades in talent on the field over the last few years, this team has become DRASTICALLY more likable. They are so easy to cheer for and they represent the image of this city so well. Kenny crushing beers on stage with Luke Combs last night. They ask Nate Herbig where he plays on the offensive line and he said, "I play anywhere coach asks me to. I'll play punter if he asks."

They might not be the most talented, but they are really easy to rally behind.

Taking a LT and moving Jones to RT seems plausible if the value is there.

Taking another CB high is even more so now I think about it properly. Wallace and Witherspoon are up at the end of the season, Peterson would only have one more left; even if Porter does fantastic, grabbing another guy makes a ton of sense. You could punt the need, but it'd only disappear if Trice is absolutely fantastic.

That's the beauty of Jones - he'd be complete overkill at RT, but he has played over there before. If for some reason the BPA was a LT, we could easily shift Jones to RT.

Joe Alt and Nolan Rucci are two guys I have liked in college football for a while. We'd be insane not to take a guy like Alt in the 1st round if he dropped to us. It'd be such an easy transition for Jones, which also made him that much more valuable.

We are pretty close to being BPA position again. Depends how these MLBs work out and if Leal and Loudermilk make some progress.

The overall pre-draft player rankings of TE Darnell Washington:

38th Mel Kiper Jr.

39th Todd McShay

30th Daniel Jeremiah

33rd Dane Brugler

It was a great pick. His tumble doesn't shock me though, because he has been hurt and generally unproductive in college. I'm hoping this isn't a case of drafting a guy and then we just don't use him, because I think that is what is limiting my excitement for him. Because I don't think we are ever going to use him aside from blocking.

I’m pretty sure they will be hunting for a dominant lead dog to replace Heyward next draft.

Mostly every other position we will have to wait and see how the season plays out.

That is the next position to upgrade. It would give the new guy 2 years under Cam. We are really close to being BPA though.

Well, at least we have a 1st rounder. But I can't seem to muster any excitement for it. At least as compared to the excitement for the Steeler's draft. Now the Pirates draft.........Super excited for that.

I couldn't care less about the Pens draft. Hextall destroyed my interest in the team. It's really weird. I don't think I have posted in any hockey thread this year. I don't know anything about the playoffs. I have never been this disengaged from hockey in my entire life. I just see this downward spiral and nothing able to stop it or slow it down.

Granlund for a 2nd was the Chase Claypool trade in hockey form.
 
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Trice has really good measureables. I very highly doubt he stays healthy because he never has, but if he can, we have two big, strong corners.
 
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