OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[xlm34]

Think about it.

The Steelers traded a fourth to jump a couple of teams and get the tackle that they wanted (desperately needed), and then turned around and got the fourth back by moving down in the third round and ended up taking a player that I would have been thrilled with if they had taken with their original third round pick.

You can't play the draft board much better.

I wanted them to go Mayer with pick 32 to bookend with PF and create matchup headaches. But assuming that the knee issue is overblown, and the Steelers did meet with Washington and one would presume satisfied themselves that was so, I would rather have Washington. He ran a 4.6 40 at that size. He is an absolute freak.

I may be wrong but I don’t think we ever saw multiples trades during the draft under Colbert? He was an amazing drafter but he never really tried to maneuver the draft like this.

I’ve just been so impressed by what Khan’s done since he took over.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I may be wrong but I don’t think we ever saw multiples trades during the draft under Colbert? He was an amazing drafter but he never really tried to maneuver the draft like this.

I’ve just been so impressed by what Khan’s done since he took over.

Think on this.

If he doesn't make that first trade that cost only a fourth round pick, later recouped, New England would have taken Gonzalez anyways, The Jets would have taken Jones, the Steelers would have been left to most likely take Porter at 17. The entire draft would have looked different and not in a good way at all.

 

[td_ice]

Think on this.

If he doesn't make that first trade that cost only a fourth round pick, later recouped, New England would have taken Gonzalez anyways, The Jets would have taken Jones, the Steelers would have been left to most likely take Porter at 17. The entire draft would have looked different and not in a good way at all.

Yeah, it would have been interesting to see if we didn't get the trade done. If indeed it was JPJ at 17. Who knows.

But boy, Khan did a great job in this draft.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Giving unique weapons to Canada is like giving a Ferrari to a pair of circus monkeys and tell them to drive through NYC at rush hour.

Monkeys are some of the most intelligent animals on Earth and actually have more cognitive flexibility than humans when problem solving.

If Canada could be more like a monkey brain and less like whatever the f*** it is he does, this offense might be something.

 

[JTG]

There are STILL awesome players on the board. Clark Phillips III is who I want. A better Mike Hilton with ball skills. Ringo was legit seen as a top 5 pick at this time last year...still on the board. Herbig is still on the board.

Dawand Jones still on the board. Question - how much of a lazy piece of shit do you have to be to be the biggest tackle basically ever and no team wants you?

What would you rate Kahn's offseason now A thru F? I give him an A+

A+. I don't know what he could have realistically done at this point. It makes me so happy and I'm so much more engaged with the team now. I'm not sure if we will be THAT much better next year though. Jones and Porter need time. They aren't going to look great right off the hop. It's all part of the process.

I may be wrong but I don’t think we ever saw multiples trades during the draft under Colbert? He was an amazing drafter but he never really tried to maneuver the draft like this.

I’ve just been so impressed by what Khan’s done since he took over.

No. And that's an old GM thing. I was watching something and the one panelist said "These young GM's don't sit around. They work and leverage things." It's true. DeCosta, Roseman, Khan. They will wheel and deal. We are in such a great position now. We may still have a tough season next year because the team is so new, but we will at least have something to look forward to.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think the majority of people around here regard DJ as the best draft pundit around these days, so this was nice to read:

 

[JTG]

I think the majority of people around here regard DJ as the best draft pundit around these days, so this was nice to read:

It's the Weidl effect. A left tackle, a corner, and a nose. What we were all clamoring for from the hilltops. Nothing was cute. Nothing was over thought. They took who they should have.

I'll be shocked if we didn't pull 3 long term starters from this draft. This is the type of draft Colbert had in the early 2000's that got the ball rolling for a decade.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

This is an absolutely massive offense, including skill positions.

Hoping Darius Rush gets to this next selection. I think he’s better than his teammate Cam Smith.

 

[The Old Master]

Wonder what Washington's medical is? Some teams had him completely off their list.

with his size, the strain on the joints is massive at best.

 

[The Old Master]

This dude could never be a real pass catcher but if he’s a unique weapon as essentially a movable OL this is great.

all he needs to do is when we get into the red zone is run over the poor slob that has to cover him get 3-4 yrd.s down field and turn around and catch the ball. TD

Hines Ward didnt have an ACL when he broke in with the team, he had a decent career.

ward didn't weigh 300 lb's

 

[Peat]

This is an absolutely massive offense, including skill positions.

Hoping Darius Rush gets to this next selection. I think he’s better than his teammate Cam Smith.

Him, McGuire, or Clark Phillips are my wants for the next pick.

 

[The Old Master]

Him, McGuire, or Clark Phillips are my wants for the next pick.

right now i'm the happiest about a draft than i've been in a long time. not sure i care who they pick now.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Amazing draft as they hit NEEDS but didn’t reach and even achieved good value.

I’m a little concerned with Washington's knees, I think this is a real roll of the dice. He could fizzle out on PUP and IR or he could be a real weapon. Him lining up with fellow dawg Jones would be amazing to watch. And you know Matt Canada has a bunch of screens planned for their side.

And ultimately it seems like they got a bunch of decent humans with good heads on their shoulders - plus they've got a few key guys now who are accustomed to winning championships - which is refreshing as I still don't think they've been able to emulate the drive, attitude, and leadership of those 2000-2010 Steelers teams.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

It's the Weidl effect. A left tackle, a corner, and a nose. What we were all clamoring for from the hilltops. Nothing was cute. Nothing was over thought. They took who they should have.

I'll be shocked if we didn't pull 3 long term starters from this draft. This is the type of draft Colbert had in the early 2000's that got the ball rolling for a decade.

Once they got Jones, it was already a great draft for me.

You got the nose you were pounding the table for also.

I’m really intrigued by Washington and Canada would have to go out of his way to f*** this up and not have this freak be a massive red zone weapon (air and ground).

Porter is the only pick I have concerns with, but I’m trying to convince myself his freakish arms will make up for his sluggish feet.

I’m taking comfort in the idea that PP, a generational guy, can help Porter clean up his weaknesses and become a #1.

 

[xlm34]

Him, McGuire, or Clark Phillips are my wants for the next pick.

Phillips would be great for the next pick. He and Herbig are my hopes right now at 132. Herbig kills two birds with one stone and also would fill the brother quota that’s lacking after Watt left.

Still hoping for a Dotson trade to pick up a a 5th or 6th. Then I’m just hoping to be able to recognize the names of whoever gets picked in the 7th.

 

[Peat]

I'm not sure if we will be THAT much better next year though. Jones and Porter need time. They aren't going to look great right off the hop. It's all part of the process.
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We are in such a great position now. We may still have a tough season next year because the team is so new, but we will at least have something to look forward to.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made modest contributions, wouldn't be surprised if the rookies made big contributions...

... but I think the one thing they will bring in is just a general push up of standards.

Maybe Moore and Okorafor start the season. Maybe they keep helmets for most of it. If they do, if Jones is as advertised and the coaches are sane, it's because the competition has pushed them to play out of their skins. That's a win.

Similarly there's going to be fierce competition for those CB and DL reps, even if they release some guys. Just like how Herbig will push everyone in the IOL.

This team feels deep. There was next to zero competition last summer in training camp. That'll change.

And in any case, in terms of where this team is next season, I'll keep banging this drum: that starts and ends with Pickett's year on year improvement. The work he does with DJ, Pickens, Muth, Harris et al. And we can look forwards to that with some optimism regardless of how kids develop.

I may be wrong but I don’t think we ever saw multiples trades during the draft under Colbert? He was an amazing drafter but he never really tried to maneuver the draft like this.

I’ve just been so impressed by what Khan’s done since he took over.

I am real slow to be impressed by GMs at the moment but gosh darn it if I can't help but agree with you anyway.

And in fairness, in some ways, Colbert left him an easy job as he left him a pretty decent team with only one glaring weakness aka the trenches. It's not like he's having to cope with a bunch of things going wrong all at once.

But he's just making it look real simple, even if you can clearly tell its not and he's putting a ton of effort in.

Phillips would be great for the next pick. He and Herbig are my hopes right now at 132. Herbig kills two birds with one stone and also would fill the brother quota that’s lacking after Watt left.

Still hoping for a Dotson trade to pick up a a 5th or 6th. Then I’m just hoping to be able to recognize the names of whoever gets picked in the 7th.

I look at Herbig and worry you'd miss both birds. Could be Spillane, but I don't really care about drafting a Spillane. Still. Wouldn't be a waste. If the most I'm worried about is Herbig, things are grand.

Also at the bolded. That's truth!

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

At this point take a flier on Dawand Jones.

I know there are rumors about his weight and all the other shit, but grab him and see if he can beat out Chuks.

If he eats himself out of the league or whatever, basically only cost them a 5th.

 

[The Old Master]

Still hoping for a Dotson trade to pick up a a 5th or 6th. Then I’m just hoping to be able to recognize the names of whoever gets picked in the 7th.

trade him for next yr's. picks. then you have something to trade up with. this year has been great lets not push it.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Washington's knee "issue" is a whole lot of nothing.

He blew up the combine. 4.6 40 at that size. Unlike most TE's who look horrid on the blocking sled drills he blew up the sled better than most actual OT's.

After all that he showed a little inflammation on one knee. No ACL. no anything else. Hell, name me an athlete who doesn't have that happen sometimes. But because of his size and because so many scouts overthink things at times they said look how huge he is. Knee issue.

Idiots.

Khan took advantage of group stupidity.

If Dawand Jones is there in the fourth you have to take him right? Value is too great.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Once they got Jones, it was already a great draft for me.

You got the nose you were pounding the table for also.

I’m really intrigued by Washington and Canada would have to go out of his way to f*** this up and not have this freak be a massive red zone weapon (air and ground).

Porter is the only pick I have concerns with, but I’m trying to convince myself his freakish arms will make up for his sluggish feet.

I’m taking comfort in the idea that PP, a generational guy, can help Porter clean up his weaknesses and become a #1.

And yes, JP is the one pick that has bust potential to me. He also has the tools to be very good. Not great but very good. But most of the NFL lean toward very good instead of bust so that is a comfort.

He was not a reach at all and in fact good value. But the worry is there.

Washington is by far my favorite pick. Very excited to see him play.

 

[Peat]

trade him for next yr's. picks. then you have something to trade up with. this year has been great lets not push it.

Spoken like someone who's never left an all you can eat buffet doubled over in pain. Keep pushing!

There's still a ton of places this roster can get better. The only position rooms where I'd feel nonplussed about a pick are Guard and Tight End. Guy's gotta keep going.

If Dawand Jones is there in the fourth you have to take him right? Value is too great.

I guess if he's there at the end of the fourth and all the options I prefer have been cleaned out then yeah. But I'm dubious. I feel like his professionalism and desire must be giant red flags for him to get that far and I'd rather steer clear.

 

[Ryder71]

Phillips would be great for the next pick. He and Herbig are my hopes right now at 132. Herbig kills two birds with one stone and also would fill the brother quota that’s lacking after Watt left.

Still hoping for a Dotson trade to pick up a a 5th or 6th. Then I’m just hoping to be able to recognize the names of whoever gets picked in the 7th.

Herbig pretty much rounds out getting guys at positions of need. To'oTo'o, Ringo would be tremendous.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

And yes, JP is the one pick that has bust potential to me. He also has the tools to be very good. Not great but very good. But most of the NFL lean toward very good instead of bust so that is a comfort.

He was not a reach at all and in fact good value. But the worry is there.

Washington is by far my favorite pick. Very excited to see him play.

Ya I wouldn’t call JPJ a reach at 32. Not sure I saw many drafts with him not being picked in the first round.

I’m not going to be angry over the pick as much as I was fearful of it happening - rooting for him to work out but Steelers history with drafting and developing corners is putrid, so he has a lot to overcome if we are being honest with ourselves.

I guess if he's there at the end of the fourth and all the options I prefer have been cleaned out then yeah. But I'm dubious. I feel like his professionalism and desire must be giant red flags for him to get that far and I'd rather steer clear.

I look at it the opposite way - he just slipped to almost round 5 (if they take him there) after being talked about as a day 1 or early day 2 guy.

Now he knows he can’t take the NFL for granted and he’s not a special snowflake, so he best work hard or he will get thrown on the heap of lost dreams.

… or ya, he eats himself out of the league because he’s lazy.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Dawand Jones still on the board. Question - how much of a lazy piece of shit do you have to be to be the biggest tackle basically ever and no team wants you?

Falale who was pretty much the same size last year went in the 4th as well and didn’t play a snap.

At a certain point, a player can be too big and slow to work in the NFL.

 

[Andy99]

Hearing the Steelers have interest in QB Dorian Thompson-Robinson in Rd 4…could that be true?