OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[ChaosAgent]

Clowns aren't a-holes, come on now!

The "Pat Narduzzi helicopter parenting Pickett and insinuating that Canada is at fault in the media" is going to be a great story this year. Narduzzi hates Canada too, right?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Definitely red flags. He is an a hole to work for and doesn’t want anyone to touch his offense. He but heads with everyone there was problems finding him a QB coach and offensive assistant this past year.
Tomlin hired him because of the success of San Francisco and the Rams and the fact that mcvay started watching Canada offense at northern Illinois and using his concepts in the nfl.

He’s basically a guy that was out of work until the Steelers came calling, then as a rookie OC, cooked up an offense that is the worst we have ever seen as Steelers fans.

He even worked with Roth for an entire year as a QB coach and still couldn’t put together a competent offense with him?

Let’s not forget that Orgeron pulled back the reigns from Canada because he had too much motion and complexity that wasn’t functional enough - and his play calling was woeful (hmmm sounds familiar).

I’m just failing to see anything remotely positive about this guy

 

[Night Shift]

Who is the D coordinator not calling plays this year?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He’s basically a guy that was out of work until the Steelers came calling, then as a rookie OC, cooked up an offense that is the worst we have ever seen as Steelers fans.

He even worked with Roth for an entire year as a QB coach and still couldn’t put together a competent offense with him?

Let’s not forget that Orgeron pulled back the reigns from Canada because he had too much motion and complexity that wasn’t functional enough - and his play calling was woeful (hmmm sounds familiar).

I’m just failing to see anything remotely positive about this guy

The same who let his girlfriend’s kid practice and lost control of lsu? There’s not a oc in the worl that could have built an offense around Ben last year. Haley started the RPo when bell was here. Ben got so used to the passing game being the running game when bell left. Ben has been on record for years saying he hates play action because he can’t see the defense with his back turned. We got to enjoy backyard Ben but in 2020 Cincinnati pointed out that Ben didn’t move his head on the RPo so you know if it’s a hand off or not by his body language. Teams knew he couldn’t throw it on the sidelines and last season ignored the middle of the field. Ben has always been the guy who feeds his 1st read and rarely went through progressions.

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The "Pat Narduzzi helicopter parenting Pickett and insinuating that Canada is at fault in the media" is going to be a great story this year. Narduzzi hates Canada too, right?

He is the one who threw a fit that Canada left and tried to have Pickett run Canada offense as a freshman and he was lost running it

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Night Shift]

The same who let his girlfriend’s kid practice and lost control of lsu? There’s not a oc in the worl that could have built an offense around Ben last year. Haley started the RPo when bell was here. Ben got so used to the passing game being the running game when bell left. Ben has been on record for years saying he hates play action because he can’t see the defense with his back turned. We got to enjoy backyard Ben but in 2020 Cincinnati pointed out that Ben didn’t move his head on the RPo so you know if it’s a hand off or not by his body language. Teams knew he couldn’t throw it on the sidelines and last season ignored the middle of the field. Ben has always been the guy who feeds his 1st read and rarely went through progressions.

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He is the one who threw a fit that Canada left and tried to have Pickett run Canada offense as a freshman and he was lost running it

Backyard Ben?

As in hide your wives and daughters?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Backyard Ben?

As in hide your wives and daughters?

No as in drawing plays in the dirt extending plays out side of the pocket and pump fakes until the wr get open. Ben and Farve played QB like it was a pick up game

 

[wheelz87]

College sports so ******* up. Used to be my absolute favorite sport to watch. Now we have these greedy athletes making money, sometimes before taking a snap. Unreal. Take your full ride you spoiled a** s***.

Sorry rant over.

 

[Night Shift]

No as in drawing plays in the dirt extending plays out side of the pocket and pump fakes until the wr get open. Ben and Farve played QB like it was a pick up game

How would he have time to draw plays in the dirt when he was sinking in quick sand with those cement shoes?

 

[ChaosAgent]

He is the one who threw a fit that Canada left and tried to have Pickett run Canada offense as a freshman and he was lost running it

I don't doubt that Narduzzi wanted to keep Canada. Canada left out of the back door before he even built anything. As is his pattern.

Sorry, I just hate the guy. Anyone working a corporate job knows the type of climber that only does okay at his job, but then interviews so well that he's out the door for something new and a raise before you can even see if his ideas and initiatives are successful. Wham, bam, outtie. To the next promotion and the next raise. He interviews and climbs way better than he coordinates.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The same who let his girlfriend’s kid practice and lost control of lsu? There’s not a oc in the worl that could have built an offense around Ben last year. Haley started the RPo when bell was here. Ben got so used to the passing game being the running game when bell left. Ben has been on record for years saying he hates play action because he can’t see the defense with his back turned. We got to enjoy backyard Ben but in 2020 Cincinnati pointed out that Ben didn’t move his head on the RPo so you know if it’s a hand off or not by his body language. Teams knew he couldn’t throw it on the sidelines and last season ignored the middle of the field. Ben has always been the guy who feeds his 1st read and rarely went through progressions.

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He is the one who threw a fit that Canada left and tried to have Pickett run Canada offense as a freshman and he was lost running it

He didn’t have to build an offense around BR, just build a competent offense, which he failed to do.

People think there is some magical scheme these guys run, when most offenses today are rooted in either the Erhardt Perkins/Coryell/West Coast.

Canada isn’t going to run some innovative scheme the league has never seen - get real.

It’s all one big chess game and the best OCs are masters at playcalling and creating the imbalances that throw off defenses.

One only needed a rudimentary understanding of Xs and Os to see Canada was a rookie in over his head and getting schooled every week by D coordinators around the league.

The Detroit Debacle was a microcosm of how lost Canada was in the NFL. One TD agt the 31st ranked scoring D in FIVE quarters - and Goff couldn’t even move the ball giving Canada ample opportunities to embarrass himself over and over again.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He didn’t have to build an offense around BR, just build a competent offense, which he failed to do.

People think there is some magical scheme these guys run, when most offenses today are rooted in either the Erhardt Perkins/Coryell/West Coast.

Canada isn’t going to run some innovative scheme the league has never seen - get real.

It’s all one big chess game and the best OCs are masters at playcalling and creating the imbalances that throw off defenses.

One only needed a rudimentary understanding of Xs and Os to see Canada was a rookie in over his head and getting schooled every week by D coordinators around the league.

The Detroit Debacle was a microcosm of how lost Canada was in the NFL. One TD agt the 31st ranked scoring D in FIVE quarters - and Goff couldn’t even move the ball giving Canada ample opportunities to embarrass himself over and over again.

This last year was the same offense the ran in 2020. That Detroit game was no different than any other start this season by Ben. It was a lot like Cleveland 15-10 win or any other one. You can’t just change the entire thing in 24 hours because Mason is starting. Ben went 6 weeks without even attempting a pass over the middle of the field. Teams basically played cover 1 the last 2 season and said we don’t think you can complete passes deep. Claypool got a few 50-50 balls against Minnesota and Buffalo teams then played more cover 2. Ben only had success when teams played off and cover 2.
In college Canada ran it 65 to 35 percent we saw tons of sweeps motion te shovels.

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How would he have time to draw plays in the dirt when he was sinking in quick sand with those cement shoes?

We are talking about Ben of 4 years ago not the guy who for 2nd straight year lead the league in attempts short of the sticks. Ben has he got older needed to win at the line with his mind like Brady Brees and manning. The entire point of motion is to give the QB the answer to the test and know if the defense is in man or zone. To help scheme wr open. I am really excited about Claypool playing more in the slot next year and to see what Canada can do with the Memphis wr since we know he turned Henderson into a star at Pitt.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This last year was the same offense the ran in 2020. That Detroit game was no different than any other start this season by Ben. It was a lot like Cleveland 15-10 win or any other one. You can’t just change the entire thing in 24 hours because Mason is starting. Ben went 6 weeks without even attempting a pass over the middle of the field. Teams basically played cover 1 the last 2 season and said we don’t think you can complete passes deep. Claypool got a few 50-50 balls against Minnesota and Buffalo teams then played more cover 2. Ben only had success when teams played off and cover 2.
In college Canada ran it 65 to 35 percent we saw tons of sweeps motion te shovels.

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We are talking about Ben of 4 years ago not the guy who for 2nd straight year lead the league in attempts short of the sticks. Ben has he got older needed to win at the line with his mind like Brady Brees and manning. The entire point of motion is to give the QB the answer to the test and know if the defense is in man or zone. To help scheme wr open. I am really excited about Claypool playing more in the slot next year and to see what Canada can do with the Memphis wr since we know he turned Henderson into a star at Pitt.

Nah, Roth had success when he called the plays. I already debunked that nonsense with posted film that Roth’s playcalling was only successful because of man-off or prevent D.

Basically to sum it up - too many ppl don’t know what they are talking about.

Film doesn’t lie - if you understand it.

So there was a big difference between his playcalling and Canada - same offense though.

Remove the biggest issue (Canada) and the offense looked functional and sometimes actually pretty good.

As I said again and again, playcalling is what makes or breaks an offense. When a rookie OC keeps getting schooled every week, you have historical ineptness.

There is a reason he was removed so quickly as OC at LSU and out of a job for a year before Tomlin threw him a lifeline - only to be rewarded with clown shoes playcalling.

LSU's Orgeron: Shouldn't have hired Canada

LSU coach Ed Orgeron said he made a mistake in hiring Matt Canada as offensive coordinator.

www.espn.com

It's tough when you make a mistake, but it's even tougher not to admit you made a mistake and it's just not a good fit. I had to do the best what I thought for the LSU program, and that's why I did it.

LSU struggled to a 3-2 start last season, including a home loss to Troy, after which Orgeron stepped in to "simplify" the shifts Canada often used with his scheme.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Nah, Roth had success when he called the plays. I already debunked that nonsense with posted film that Roth’s playcalling was only successful because of man-off or prevent D.

Basically to sum it up - too many ppl don’t know what they are talking about.

Film doesn’t lie - if you understand it.

So there was a big difference between his playcalling and Canada - same offense though.

Remove the biggest issue (Canada) and the offense looked functional and sometimes actually pretty good.

As I said again and again, playcalling is what makes or breaks an offense. When a rookie OC keeps getting schooled every week, you have historical ineptness.

There is a reason he was removed so quickly as OC at LSU and out of a job for a year before Tomlin threw him a lifeline - only to be rewarded with clown shoes playcalling.

LSU's Orgeron: Shouldn't have hired Canada

LSU coach Ed Orgeron said he made a mistake in hiring Matt Canada as offensive coordinator.

www.espn.com

Ben went no huddle against kc in the playoffs and was calling his own plays the entire game and couldn’t move the ball. The tape doesn’t lie Ben wasn’t even processing very well

Mason Rudolph Said Steelers Didn’t Run Matt Canada’s Offense Because of Ben Roethlisberger

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph said he is looking forward to competing for the starting job in 2022 and working in a more complete version of Matt Canada’s offensive system going forward. In an appearance on The Jim Rome Show on Friday, Rudolph said that this offseason is...

steelersnow.com

You know if you got red paint paint the barn red

Have the Buffalo Bills fired Matt Canada yet?

The Bills offense is an awful lot like one Steeler fans love to hate.

www.behindthesteelcurtain.com

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Ben went no huddle against kc in the playoffs and was calling his own plays the entire game and couldn’t move the ball. The tape doesn’t lie Ben wasn’t even processing very well

Mason Rudolph Said Steelers Didn’t Run Matt Canada’s Offense Because of Ben Roethlisberger

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph said he is looking forward to competing for the starting job in 2022 and working in a more complete version of Matt Canada’s offensive system going forward. In an appearance on The Jim Rome Show on Friday, Rudolph said that this offseason is...

steelersnow.com

You know if you got red paint paint the barn red

Have the Buffalo Bills fired Matt Canada yet?

The Bills offense is an awful lot like one Steeler fans love to hate.

www.behindthesteelcurtain.com

I already debunked that BS about the KC game. Canada was calling the plays until mid -way through the third when they went no huddle.

Suddenly they could move the ball when Roth took over - who knew!

And I also debunked the BS KC dropped out of man-man which they played right up until the final couple of plays.

Again, film doesn’t lie.

Roth was old, should have retired last season, but Canada was one of, if not the worst playcaller in the league on O.

There is a reason he never lasts anywhere very long.

There is a reason he lasted six games at LSU before he lost his play calling duties and was dubbed a “mistake”.

There is a reason he was out of work before coming to the Steelers.

Go review the film and watch how he got owned over and over again last season - his personnel matchups and playcalling defied logic.

That’s how an OC puts up all time franchise marks in futility.

I can’t even take anyone seriously who doesn’t think Canada was a tire fire last season.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Chiefs 42-21 Steelers (Jan 16, 2022) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Play-by-play action for the Kansas City Chiefs vs. Pittsburgh Steelers NFL game from January 16, 2022 on ESPN.

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A ton of no huddle in the 2nd quarter like the 3-2 deep ball to DJ when juju was open for 1st

2021 Failed Completions: The Bell Tolls for Roethlisberger

Our annual look at failed completions sees a future Hall of Famer join some elite company on his way out. We also find cause for concern for extending Kirk Cousins, and once again try to separate the Shanahan from the Garoppolo.

www.footballoutsiders.com

Film Review: Steelers-Chiefs

Game film of second butt-kicking from Chiefs shows how far away Steelers are from true contention

247sports.com

 

[Night Shift]

We are talking about Ben of 4 years ago not the guy who for 2nd straight year lead the league in attempts short of the sticks. Ben has he got older needed to win at the line with his mind like Brady Brees and manning. The entire point of motion is to give the QB the answer to the test and know if the defense is in man or zone. To help scheme wr open. I am really excited about Claypool playing more in the slot next year and to see what Canada can do with the Memphis wr since we know he turned Henderson into a star at Pitt.

How is he able to reach the sticks when he's already sunk to the bottom?


Backyard Ben is now the Swamp Thing. Hide the women!

 

[Night Shift]

After all those years hanging around Coach Clown he might just spring up exactly like Swamp Thing but with clown make up.

Swamp Thing Clown. But still hide your wives and daughters.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Chiefs 42-21 Steelers (Jan 16, 2022) Play-by-Play - ESPN

Play-by-play action for the Kansas City Chiefs vs. Pittsburgh Steelers NFL game from January 16, 2022 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

A ton of no huddle in the 2nd quarter like the 3-2 deep ball to DJ when juju was open for 1st

2021 Failed Completions: The Bell Tolls for Roethlisberger

Our annual look at failed completions sees a future Hall of Famer join some elite company on his way out. We also find cause for concern for extending Kirk Cousins, and once again try to separate the Shanahan from the Garoppolo.

www.footballoutsiders.com

Film Review: Steelers-Chiefs

Game film of second butt-kicking from Chiefs shows how far away Steelers are from true contention

247sports.com

How many times does this need debunked?

Maybe the words of a former NFL QB would shed some light on exactly what I’ve told you… but you don’t want to hear the truth do you?

When the Steelers hired Matt Canada as their new offensive coordinator, he said they would follow Ben Roethlisberger’s lead on offense. But that does not seem to be happening.

In an interview Friday with “The Fan Morning Show,” former Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch, who played with Roethlisberger for seven seasons, says he doesn’t think Big Ben has the freedom to run what he wants. “When I’m watching it — and I was one of the first to say — he does not have the flexibility at the line of scrimmage,” Batch said.

Listen: Charlie Batch says Roethlisberger and Matt Canada have a broken relationship

Former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch joined the Fan Morning Show Friday, and said he thinks Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Canada have a broken relationship.

www.audacy.com

You already admitted Canada has major red flags and doesn’t want others “meddling” with his offense and amazing playcalling.

So good luck BSing your way out of the truth.

Isn’t it fascinating how under Canada the offense got worse in over 10 categories (34 touchdowns compared to 50), points per game (20.2 to 26), yards per game (315.4 to 334.6) and third-down percentage (38.9 to 42.2).

What could be the variable here from one year to the next - can’t quite put my finger on it…

 

[bigdaddyk88]

How many times does this need debunked?

Maybe the words of a former NFL QB would shed some light on exactly what I’ve told you… but you don’t want to hear the truth do you?

Listen: Charlie Batch says Roethlisberger and Matt Canada have a broken relationship

Former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch joined the Fan Morning Show Friday, and said he thinks Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Canada have a broken relationship.

www.audacy.com

You already admitted Canada has major red flags and doesn’t want others “meddling” with his offense and amazing playcalling.

So good luck BSing your way out of the truth.

Isn’t it fascinating how under Canada the offense got worse in over 10 categories (34 touchdowns compared to 50), points per game (20.2 to 26), yards per game (315.4 to 334.6) and third-down percentage (38.9 to 42.2).

What could be the variable here from one year to the next - can’t quite put my finger on it…

Lol batch is going to cover for Ben. Ben was so used to do whatever he wanted and got Haley fired for pushing him. Ben had spent 10 years calling his own offense and was upset when Canada took no huddle away from him to start the year. You can’t only survive on no huddle especially if your not getting 1st downs you kill your defense. Ben was the worst QB that wasn’t a rookie last year. There’s a reason people got excited about Mason running around against Detroit and KC. They literally asked Ben to be a game manager and they were 7-0 when he didn’t throw a pick and 2-7 when he did.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Lol batch is going to cover for Ben. Ben was so used to do whatever he wanted and got Haley fired for pushing him. Ben had spent 10 years calling his own offense and was upset when Canada took no huddle away from him to start the year. You can’t only survive on no huddle especially if your not getting 1st downs you kill your defense. Ben was the worst QB that wasn’t a rookie last year. There’s a reason people got excited about Mason running around against Detroit and KC. They literally asked Ben to be a game manager and they were 7-0 when he didn’t throw a pick and 2-7 when he did.

Ah yes, you are commenting on that video too lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Lol batch is going to cover for Ben. Ben was so used to do whatever he wanted and got Haley fired for pushing him. Ben had spent 10 years calling his own offense and was upset when Canada took no huddle away from him to start the year. You can’t only survive on no huddle especially if your not getting 1st downs you kill your defense. Ben was the worst QB that wasn’t a rookie last year. There’s a reason people got excited about Mason running around against Detroit and KC. They literally asked Ben to be a game manager and they were 7-0 when he didn’t throw a pick and 2-7 when he did.

Your responses are so predictable…

We are still going down the Haley path? Desperate times I guess…

“Can’t believe Ben got a drunk fired and the guy has all these teams after him… like your local HS teams and the XFL’s Tombstone Undertakers!”

Batch doesn’t have to cover for Roth when the simple truth was right there for anyone who wanted to see it.

All he did was state the obvious me and others have told you since Sept.

Again, film doesn’t lie for those who understand it.

And uh, I think it goes without saying Batch knows the game just a little better than you.

The funniest shit is you already nailed yourself with what you admitted about Canada - you just can’t bring yourself away from admitting your narrative is wrong.

Steelers O went down significantly in ten categories after Canada took over - Roth was the QB the year before - so good luck explaining away what happened.

Maybe it was the unemployed guy once dubbed a “mistake” when his offense didn’t last more than 6 games at LSU…

Nah… couldn’t be that.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I understand the KP pick. It’s not what I would have done. But I understand it, he’s reported to by NFL or near NFL ready, he’s a home town product, and it’s a big marketing angle. I fully understand why they picked him. Myself, if I would have been at that draft table. I would have tried to trade with a crap team into their first round pick next year when the QB class would be better. Or if I couldn’t get a team to vote bolster up the O Line then try trade up next year. Now let’s just see if the kid beats out Mitch for the starting gig year one. 3D glasses on and pop corn filled.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Knowing a good amount about Pickett and Trubisky, it is 50/50.
*Trubisky is more mobile than Pickett. I loved Pickett's hard running yards at Pitt, but Mitch is simply a different level of athlete.
*Pickett is more accurate than Trubisky. It will be clear that Pickett's passes go where he wants them to.
*How they read defenses? TBD. We know Pickett and his issues with bailing out of pockets but we also know that this has been Trubisky's main inhibitor.

*Leadership...I remember reading that the reason Mitch was only a 1 yr starter at NC was because "the guys played harder" for the upperclassman who was a decent college QB but not an NFL talent. Mitch has maybe added some gravitas during his time in Buffalo or the whole league decided they hated Matt Nagy and so Mitch looked better by comparison. Either way Pickett comes into this offense with a reputation for great leadership. He has the edge here IMO

 

[Empoleon8771]

College sports so ******* up. Used to be my absolute favorite sport to watch. Now we have these greedy athletes making money, sometimes before taking a snap. Unreal. Take your full ride you spoiled a** s***.

Sorry rant over.

Eh I don't hate the player in this case, I hate the game.

The fact that a college can offer a student $3 million and a house to transfer for football is absolutely ludicrous. CFB players should be able to advertise themselves and make money off of their image, but "poaching talent from other schools by offering them insane money" is downright ridiculous.