OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Night Shift]

Tomlin has won games with Mason duck

Did I not just call this, this morning @Mr Jiggyfly

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think you're way too sure about this, and that they didn't do all this scouting and research just to be locked into Trubisky and Rudolph come game day. If they found someone who they think can be the next 15 year guy here and he falls to them, I don't see why they wouldn't rearrange all their plans around giving that guy the best chance to succeed, which probably means promoting them past Rudolph as the backup.

Colbert himself said there was going to be starters in this draft not sure how many and that this is the first time they have really looked at QB as a potential 1st round pick. Most everyone agrees the only QB in this class who is ready to start day 1 is Pickett. They aren’t going to rush the Qb decision and we’re comfortable enough with Mason they extended him last year and signed Mitch day 1.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Did I not just call this, this morning @Mr Jiggyfly

Tomlin and the Steelers are 22-17-1 without Ben since 2004. It’s not like shanahan who has a losing record without Jimmy G. They aren’t super bowl contender but definitely playoff contenders

 

[Peat]

Colbert himself said there was going to be starters in this draft not sure how many and that this is the first time they have really looked at QB as a potential 1st round pick. Most everyone agrees the only QB in this class who is ready to start day 1 is Pickett. They aren’t going to rush the Qb decision and we’re comfortable enough with Mason they extended him last year and signed Mitch day 1.

I don't think any of that disagrees with what I said though? Not going to rush it doesn't mean they won't make it if they think it's the right one. Being comfortable doesn't mean they won't upgrade if they can.

And picking a QB early doesn't mean they want a day one starter. They've set things up so they don't have to do that. But that doesn't mean they won't pick a guy early with the belief that he is the future and sit him for a year as no 2 or no 3.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I don't think any of that disagrees with what I said though? Not going to rush it doesn't mean they won't make it if they think it's the right one. Being comfortable doesn't mean they won't upgrade if they can.

And picking a QB early doesn't mean they want a day one starter. They've set things up so they don't have to do that. But that doesn't mean they won't pick a guy early with the belief that he is the future and sit him for a year as no 2 or no 3.

Right if they take a Ridder corral Howell they know he is redshirting next year. In a perfect world Mitch balls out they flip him for picks and have the rookie take over like smith to Maholmes. They were ready to have Ben sit behind Maddox. I think they set themselves up to pass on a QB or take a day 3 flyer now Haskins is gone and set the team up like they did pre Ben in 2003. Then have Mitch start in 23 while that rookie learns we will see

 

[The Old Master]

Dude has the best job in sports - gets to fail over and over without repercussions- and makes millions.

Gotta be a mental midget to quit that gig.

i was trying to be nice and not call names, but you caught me.

 

[JTG]

I don’t think he’s Kent Graham bad and he will keep the Steelers from being a sub 5 win laughingstock, but he isn’t even remotely the answer.

Having him is a catch 22, because he’s basically a Mike Tomczak, Tommy Maddox QB that keeps you running on the hamster wheel of mediocrity.

Don’t forget that Cowher wanted to pass on Roth because he had Maddox… that should frighten people about how close they came to doing something really asinine.

I can 100% see Tomlin being gullible enough buying into Trubisky as his long term guy.

I get your angle, but a big difference is that Trubisky was a highly drafted guy and he's 27 years old, and has put up decent stats in his career. Maddox and Tomczak were in their 30's and they absolutely were what you're saying. I'm not anointing Trubisky as a savior, but I absolutely think he deserve a bit more credit in that he's not some lame, bum QB. I think he could reasonably be a Tannehill and be good enough for this team to win. Is he going to carry the team to victory like Ben did? Probably never, but if he can keep it simple, and this team fully switches to Najee being the feature player on offense, I think he can man a winning team. The defining factor for him will be how well he takes care of the ball. If he can really limit turnovers and pick up some big 1st downs with this feet, I think he could be reasonably successful here and the front office can continue building a team around him.

Which kind of brings me to my 2nd point, and why I do like Trubisky here - build a team around him, and when the time comes where there aren't any glaring holes that need filled immediately, do something crazy and trade for a young QB or go up in the draft and get one. Best case scenario for the franchise is he does well because he can either be a long term starter or maybe we can trade him for something of value.

 

[Night Shift]

Tomlin and the Steelers are 22-17-1 without Ben since 2004. It’s not like shanahan who has a losing record without Jimmy G. They aren’t super bowl contender but definitely playoff contenders

Clown cant even win a game in the playoffs.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I get your angle, but a big difference is that Trubisky was a highly drafted guy and he's 27 years old, and has put up decent stats in his career. Maddox and Tomczak were in their 30's and they absolutely were what you're saying. I'm not anointing Trubisky as a savior, but I absolutely think he deserve a bit more credit in that he's not some lame, bum QB. I think he could reasonably be a Tannehill and be good enough for this team to win. Is he going to carry the team to victory like Ben did? Probably never, but if he can keep it simple, and this team fully switches to Najee being the feature player on offense, I think he can man a winning team. The defining factor for him will be how well he takes care of the ball. If he can really limit turnovers and pick up some big 1st downs with this feet, I think he could be reasonably successful here and the front office can continue building a team around him.

Which kind of brings me to my 2nd point, and why I do like Trubisky here - build a team around him, and when the time comes where there aren't any glaring holes that need filled immediately, do something crazy and trade for a young QB or go up in the draft and get one. Best case scenario for the franchise is he does well because he can either be a long term starter or maybe we can trade him for something of value.

I get what you are saying and I again said Trubisky is a problem because he isn’t bad… just mediocre.

That leaves them stuck in the middle… never good enough to win anything, never high enough in the draft to find the legit next guy.

In the last dozen years, Tannenhill is the only QB with draft pedigree tossed away that has had any type of legit success… and it’s only been one season really.

Since then, he’s been horrendous in the playoffs and his last two appearances he’s tossed 4 picks and only 2 TDs.

He’s literally the one decent example of what you hope Trubisky can be, and he’s now been named as a top hot seat QB heading into this season.

In fact, there are tons of whispers the Titans should take a QB and move on from RT.

Simply put, things aren’t heading anywhere positive with Trubisky - he would have to defy odds we haven’t seen in decades.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Clown cant even win a game in the playoffs.

Well his franchise QB has a combined 3 tds in our last 3 playoff wins and the offense has scored a combined 30 points in the 1st half since the New England afc championship game. Bill hasn’t won a playoff game without Brady Peyton Hairball Carrol all have losing seasons and similar playoff wins as Tomlin. It’s tough to over come turnovers that lead directly to points

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Clown cant even win a game in the playoffs.

When your defense gives up 40+ points in playoff games you tend to not fare so well.
You know, the defense that the HC calls himself since he doesn't trust his DC to do anything

 

[Andy99]

Still seeing more mock drafts today with Willis falling to #20 and the Steelers taking him…very scary lol

 

[bigdaddyk88]

When your defense gives up 40+ points in playoff games you tend to not fare so well.
You know, the defense that the HC calls himself since he doesn't trust his DC to do anything

The same dc he had to beg to comeback because they were going to win a super bowl? If you subtract the turnovers that the defense scores on you know that our defense isn’t giving up 40 a game. When the 3rd highest paid player in the history of the nfl has almost as many turnovers as tds in his playoff career even bill Walsh would struggle

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

BUT BUT BEN!!!!!!

 

[Night Shift]

Well his franchise QB has a combined 3 tds in our last 3 playoff wins and the offense has scored a combined 30 points in the 1st half since the New England afc championship game. Bill hasn’t won a playoff galosingme without Brady Peyton Hairball Carrol all have seasons and similar playoff wins as Tomlin. It’s tough to over come turnovers that lead directly to points

When the defense gives up 60 burgers and Head Clown is calling the plays...

 

[domaug]

Still seeing more mock drafts today with Willis falling to #20 and the Steelers taking him…very scary lol

Willis and Pickett are the only two QBs i wouldn't hate them drafting in round 1. i'd personally want to see how the draft unfolds and if both are gone by 20 i go BPA for just about the entire draft.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I would swap Diontae for Deebo Samuel if needed. I realize they are in similar positions and similar diva levels, but I think Deebo fits us (and Canada's offense) better with his running ability.

Maybe we couldn't directly swap them, but trade out first for Deebo and recoup something for Diontae etc.

 

[Pens1566]

Ugh ...

Baker Mayfield Rumors: Steelers Would Reportedly Sign QB If He’s Cut

Double ugh ...

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I would swap Diontae for Deebo Samuel if needed. I realize they are in similar positions and similar diva levels, but I think Deebo fits us (and Canada's offense) better with his running ability.

Maybe we couldn't directly swap them, but trade out first for Deebo and recoup something for Diontae etc.

Debo wants to be the highest paid non QB he wants more than TJ

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Ugh ...

Baker Mayfield Rumors: Steelers Would Reportedly Sign QB If He’s Cut

Double ugh ...

I mean he can take the spot vacant by the Haskins Tragedy for vet minimum if they don’t draft a guy

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd rather sign Mayfield than use their 1st on a QB.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I'd rather sign Mayfield than use their 1st on a QB.

I'd rather drink bleach than either of those scenarios

 

[wheelz87]

I'd rather drink bleach than either of those scenarios

I'd rather sign Mayfield than use their 1st on a QB.

I somehow agree with both statements..

 

[Peat]

Pre-match coverage would be hilarious if nothing else

 

[ChaosAgent]

Debo wants to be the highest paid non QB he wants more than TJ

I mean, so do I.
Doesn't mean he or I will get it.