OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Sneaking up onto training camp

[bigdaddyk88]

Yeah that could work too. It's just silly because the league said they were going to use the preseason data to gauge what the average starting field position was on returnable kicks before ratifying the rule...and it was something like 29.5 yards. And they voted in favor anyway. So coaches are understandably going to be like, "Why even bother risking it, we'll give them the 30".

And the commissioner said on Macafee that they will not change anything this season but revisit it in the offseason. They will treat it like the pi challenges. He did say that if they kick it in the endzone repeatedly next year it’s starting at the 35

 

[lastcupever75]

And yet jones can’t beat moore out


If troy is healthy we be starting 2 rookies and a 2nd year

Steelers 'Had Their Fingers Crossed' Drafting Darnell Washington Over Medical Concerns, Dulac Says, And 'Still Do'

Everybody in Pittsburgh got excited when the Steelers drafted TE Darnell Washington in the third round last year. He seems like the prototypical old-school Steeler: a big, hulking tight end who actually blocks. Yet he lasted until the third round. Why? He reportedly had issues with his knees...

steelersdepot.com

Pittsburgh halted Washington's drop with the No. 93 overall pick, but only after seven other tight ends had already been taken. So why, exactly, did such a prominent name from a prominent program nearly fall all the way until Day 3 of the draft?
The primary culprit appears to be medical issues. A year after fellow Georgia product Nakobe Dean went from potential first-rounder to pick No. 93 in the third round due to injury concerns, Washington was "red-flagged" by multiple teams after battling a repeat foot injury in college, according to WalterFootball.com. Sports Illustrated, NFL Media and others added fuel to the fire Friday by suggesting teams do, in fact, have questions about Washington's health -- perhaps particularly his knee.

The supersized prospect (6-foot-7, 264) missed four games due to injury in the 2021 season, but returned to start six of 11 games for Georgia that year, when the Bulldogs won the national championship.
It's possible that Washington's slide also stemmed from his lack of pass-catching production at the college level. While he boasts unteachable size, drawing Marcedes Lewis comparisons for his potential as a dominant in-line blocker, Washington was not prolific with the ball in his hands, at least statistically, registering no more than 460 receiving yards in a season. In an increasingly speedy and pass-happy league, it shouldn't be all too surprising that a bigger, less explosive receiving option tumbled down the board.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-draft-why-georgia-te-darnell-washington-fell-to-steelers-in-the-third-round/#:~:text=The%20primary%20culprit%20appears%20to,%2C%20according%20to%20WalterFootball.com.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1652158371133370370

Report said they drafted him knowing he might not get a 2nd contract because of his knees

Steelers Drafted Darnell Washington Knowing He Likely Would Never See Second Contract, Fittipaldo Believes

The Pittsburgh Steelers welcomed the opportunity to draft TE Darnell Washington in 2023. They were surprised that a prospect like him was still available, though they already passed on him multiple times as well. But who is Darnell Washington? Who do they think he is, and who he can be? The...

steelersdepot.com

 

[lastcupever75]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1652158371133370370

Report said they drafted him knowing he might not get a 2nd contract because of his knees

Steelers Drafted Darnell Washington Knowing He Likely Would Never See Second Contract, Fittipaldo Believes

The Pittsburgh Steelers welcomed the opportunity to draft TE Darnell Washington in 2023. They were surprised that a prospect like him was still available, though they already passed on him multiple times as well. But who is Darnell Washington? Who do they think he is, and who he can be? The...

steelersdepot.com

teams red flagged him over foot concerns. did you miss that in my last reply ??

he himself says there was no injuries to his knees. some carlidge removal, which i'm sure you already know, is a pretty routine procedure unlike ligaments and tendon problems.

but you go on keep believing Dr. Fittapaldo

 

[JTG]

BIg guys get hurt. It's part of the deal.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Pushing that sled looks to be paying off.

Mark Madden ... king-sled/
Quarterback Russell Wilson missed the first three days of Steelers practice because he tweaked his calf pushing a blocking sled during a conditioning test.

What’s gained by making a 35-year-old QB push a blocking sled? How much blocking will Wilson have to do?

What would Ben Roethlisberger have said had he been asked to do that? I bet he would have emphatically declined.

Sure, Wilson could have strained his calf some other way. (That’s what Steelers stooges are bleating.)

But he didn’t. This injury occurred via the totally unnecessary act of a quarterback pushing a blocking sled.

What if it turns out to be nagging? What if it triggers a succession of nickel-dime hurts? (That happens with aging players.)

Making Wilson push a blocking sled is abject stupidity on the part of Phil Matusz, the Steelers’ new strength and conditioning coach. It’s not a stretch to say Matusz should be fired for such idiocy.

Head coach Mike Tomlin is no less of a nitwit for allowing it to happen.

Wilson is no genius for doing it. The starting quarterback can overrule the strength coach.

But, of course, I’m wrong and the Steelers are right. The Steelers are always right.

They will keep telling themselves that. You’ll keep agreeing. No matter how many years in a row the Steelers don’t win a playoff game.

Meantime, it gives ESPN’s yell-and-grimace shows more ammunition to keep imagining a quarterback battle in Pittsburgh.

“Justin Fields got first-team reps in the first practice. He led them out of the huddle. They heard his cadence. It’s a huge deal!”

Uh … no, it’s not. Unless Wilson has to keep pushing that blocking sled.

 

[pistolpete11]

Mark Madden ... king-sled/
Quarterback Russell Wilson missed the first three days of Steelers practice because he tweaked his calf pushing a blocking sled during a conditioning test.

What’s gained by making a 35-year-old QB push a blocking sled? How much blocking will Wilson have to do?

What would Ben Roethlisberger have said had he been asked to do that? I bet he would have emphatically declined.

Sure, Wilson could have strained his calf some other way. (That’s what Steelers stooges are bleating.)

But he didn’t. This injury occurred via the totally unnecessary act of a quarterback pushing a blocking sled.

What if it turns out to be nagging? What if it triggers a succession of nickel-dime hurts? (That happens with aging players.)

Making Wilson push a blocking sled is abject stupidity on the part of Phil Matusz, the Steelers’ new strength and conditioning coach. It’s not a stretch to say Matusz should be fired for such idiocy.

Head coach Mike Tomlin is no less of a nitwit for allowing it to happen.

Wilson is no genius for doing it. The starting quarterback can overrule the strength coach.

But, of course, I’m wrong and the Steelers are right. The Steelers are always right.

They will keep telling themselves that. You’ll keep agreeing. No matter how many years in a row the Steelers don’t win a playoff game.

Meantime, it gives ESPN’s yell-and-grimace shows more ammunition to keep imagining a quarterback battle in Pittsburgh.

“Justin Fields got first-team reps in the first practice. He led them out of the huddle. They heard his cadence. It’s a huge deal!”

Uh … no, it’s not. Unless Wilson has to keep pushing that blocking sled.

Eh. I dunno. It's definitely unnecessary to make him do that and I wouldn't blame him if he was like "nah", but shouldn't a physically fit professional athlete be able to push a blocking sled? If he can't do that, how can you expect him to play in the NFL? Especially considering he uses his legs quite a bit.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

teams red flagged him over foot concerns. did you miss that in my last reply ??

he himself says there was no injuries to his knees. some carlidge removal, which i'm sure you already know, is a pretty routine procedure unlike ligaments and tendon problems.

but you go on keep believing Dr. Fittapaldo

Multiple Steelers people have concerns about his knees and that’s why the Steelers brought him for a 2nd look injury check pre draft. Dulac stated he wasn’t a steal after seeing his knees. We will see if he gets a 2nd contract

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Ravens' Stanley felt like target for formation flags

Ravens left tackle Ronnie Stanley was flagged three times for illegal formation against the Chiefs and said he felt like the referees were "trying to make an example" of him given the rule's point of emphasis this season.

www.espn.com

 

[Andy99]

Mark Madden: A losing season seems likely for the Steelers and could be best for the future

The best thing that could realistically happen for the Steelers is to go 8-9 or worse. To get out from under the phony non-achievement of Coach T never having a losing season. To then set the bar higher and take a hard look at the team as it really is,

triblive.com

 

[End of Line]

Damn is this true

 

[Andy99]

And yet jones can’t beat moore out

Has he honestly been given much of a chance? From what the reporters were saying, he’s had limited reps at LT this camp/preseason…don’t think the coaching staff gave him a fair shot to unseat Moore…they wanted Moore in there regardless

 

[pistolpete11]

Has he honestly been given much of a chance? From what the reporters were saying, he’s had limited reps at LT this camp/preseason…don’t think the coaching staff gave him a fair shot to unseat Moore…they wanted Moore in there regardless

Yeah, this feels like the beginning of a Dotson situation where they try to square peg-round hole a guy into a different position, give up on him, and then another team puts him at his natural position and suddenly he's great.

All for the sake of Dan f***in' Moore. A 4th round pick 4 years ago who grades out as one of the worst LT in the league.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Has he honestly been given much of a chance? From what the reporters were saying, he’s had limited reps at LT this camp/preseason…don’t think the coaching staff gave him a fair shot to unseat Moore…they wanted Moore in there regardless

He played the 2nd qt at left tackle against Houston and struggled. He was 2nd string Lt to enter camp and because Troy said he prefers RT and the team said he was there best o line prospect drafted since Pouncey Jones’s had to beat out Moore. The still want Jones to be the lt and he will eventually get the job
This is just like JF and RW you should be the best player on the field against backups.
Moore was the best o lineman in preseason

Yeah, this feels like the beginning of a Dotson situation where they try to square peg-round hole a guy into a different position, give up on him, and then another team puts him at his natural position and suddenly he's great.

All for the sake of Dan f***in' Moore. A 4th round pick 4 years ago who grades out as one of the worst LT in the league.

Dotson gave up more sacks in hus natural position than Issac and Daniel ms combined

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Has he honestly been given much of a chance? From what the reporters were saying, he’s had limited reps at LT this camp/preseason…don’t think the coaching staff gave him a fair shot to unseat Moore…they wanted Moore in there regardless

Yea just like the "competition" between JF and RW. Much like the Penguins, we know well before training camp who the starters will be Week 1.

There are so many similarities between what goes on with the Pens and Steelers, it's scary. About 15 years ago you could say the same thing, but in a positive way.

 

[T1K]

It sure is a shame about that pesky calf muscle. Ice up son!

 

[Peat]

And yet jones can’t beat moore out

Which isn't surprising if he's not given the same opportunity to prepare for the role as Moore.

Yeah, at this point it might look like playing Moore is a no brainer. But it shouldn't be. A 1st round OT should be able to compete with the likes of Moore in his second year. If he can't, someone screwed up his drafting and/or development majorly.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Which isn't surprising if he's not given the same opportunity to prepare for the role as Moore.

Yeah, at this point it might look like playing Moore is a no brainer. But it shouldn't be. A 1st round OT should be able to compete with the likes of Moore in his second year. If he can't, someone screwed up his drafting and/or development majorly.

Unless you take in account that Jones as the least amount of college reps at LT of the 3 and is young. Jones is 23 he will be the LT next season he might even get the job at the bye

 

[lastcupever75]

jesus,

are you really trying to compare the two situations.

mahomes isn't 35 years old and is in gym with flooring vs. being on a filed at larobre on the first day camp opens

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I’m a big PSU fan and went to school there so there’s some bias but IMO all the below is true

Allar drove me nuts last season
Allar was not good versus good teams. Quite terrible
Allar has tremendous pro potential

 

[bigdaddyk88]

jesus,

are you really trying to compare the two situations.

mahomes isn't 35 years old and is in gym with flooring vs. being on a filed at larobre on the first day camp opens

I am saying it’s pretty common. Hurts did it last year with the Eagles. It fairly common. I do question why a 35 year old would do it

 

[OnMyOwn]

He probably wanted to do it

 

[WickedWrister]

Anything around ~12.5m I'd say is good value

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Anything around ~12.5m I'd say is good value

It will be some where between 12.5 and 13 the tag is 13.7 next year and to get more than 13 you have to block